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Bigfella237

I am the OP and I'm still watching this thread, but I haven't done anything in this area of research for years and what little there were of X2 sites are long gone anyway.

I would still be interested to know just to satisfy my curiosity, but it's hardly relevant now.

Bigfella237

It's in the Radio Wide > Control Head tab...

Bigfella237

There is an option in CPS called 'CH required to boot' (or something like that), if that was ticked and the connection to the CH is lost for any reason, then that may explain why you can't get anything from the rear connector?

Bigfella237

There's been a lot of work done with Automotive CAN Bus hacking and they run much faster (up to 1000kbps) so 9.6kbps should be a walk in the park. Looking at the rear J2 connector on mid-power XTL radios, I see a twisted pair CAN Bus on pins 2 & 3 (CAN+ & CAN- respectively) http://s27.postim...

Bigfella237

Which "poster" didn't type what in right? The flashcode DECODER does just that, it doesn't care what checksum digit you enter. Whereas as the checksum CALCULATOR... well, it's pretty self-explanatory really, and actually unnecessary because as you've discovered, that other program (which s...

Bigfella237

fchrist16 wrote: ~ wants to convert it to -0 ~

That's probably because the checksum digit is zero

Try akardam's checksum calculator: http://www.akardam.net/moto/tools/flash ... o=checksum

Bigfella237

Whatever shows in CPS (or in Service Mode) is what you get, I've been all through an s-record and there's no mention of previous or original serial numbers anywhere?

Although I guess it's not impossible for some kind of history to be stored elsewhere?

Andrew

Bigfella237

I think the obvious answer is to leave it sit in the charger longer and see what happens, overnight may not be long enough for an initial charge on a high capacity battery? Isn't there specific instructions with the new battery on initial charging? I assume neither of your IMPRES chargers have the d...

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There was a trick with ASTRO 25 CPS where you could do a legit install, then find & copy all those extra files into the working directory, which then became "portable", however I'm unsure whether that works with APX as well? It was a lot of work to track down the extra files though, th...

Bigfella237

APX radios don't do DMR (aka MotoTRBO) although there have been rumors flying around for a long time that a cross-platform radio exists, to the best of my knowledge it's never been offered for sale. The platform you're talking about is APCO Project 25, APX radios are capable of both P25 Phase 1 (usi...

Bigfella237

First thing I would do is go back to whoever you bought these radios from and tell them you need the codeplug password (or half your money back).

Andrew

Bigfella237

The CKR/SLN is only used to keep track of keys within the radio itself, it's not sent over-the-air at all; it's the KID which is used to identify the key in use to receiving radios. You can load the same key variable into a dozen different radios using a dozen different CKR/SLN values and so long as...

Bigfella237

I know P25 X2 is Motorola proprietary but does anyone know if there exists any technical specs for it similar to the TIA specs for P25 or ETSI specs for DMR? Information on this protocol is extremely hard to come by but from what little I've seen P25 X2 appears to be very close in its design to DMR;...

Bigfella237

The serial number can be obtained from three sources: 1) the tag on the back of the radio; and/or 2) by placing the radio in service mode (press the side ".." button five times immediately after power up); and/or 3) from the CPS after reading the radio's codeplug. Obviously all three shoul...

Bigfella237

I guess it depends on your application, budget and how concerned you are with having a "numbers matching" tagged radio? Unfortunately used radio markets like eBay are flooded with "Frankenradios"... like upgraded model 1's, whored flashcodes, parts-built and worst of all ALT (Acc...

Bigfella237

The firmware issue is a byproduct of the amount of memory available, early lower tier "AN" radios (XTS2500, XTS1500, MT1500, PR1500 & PM1500) only had 4MB whereas the later "BN" models had 8MB. The earlier versions simply didn't have the memory to allow their firmware develop...

Bigfella237

"Astro Ready" is just a fancy way of saying "Analog only", plus I guess from a marketing perspective the term may entice people to upgrade? If you change the flashcode you change the feature set. Officially speaking, to change the flashcode you will need to order an Upgrade iButt...

Bigfella237

~ Was told it was in the order of like $20 to $50 per unit, depending on quantity. I don't call that excessive. But by the time mother M gets through putting their spin on it, it's out of site. ~ Jim $20 to $50 multiplied by how many units? Motorola must have sold what, tens of thousands of APX rad...

Bigfella237

Firstly, what browser are you using?

I've heard a few people say that Google Chrome will not work on MOL (or is that vice versa)?

Andrew

Bigfella237

+1 for what tvsjr said, it's not even a cost factor because both P25 Phase II and DMR use the same AMBE vocoder (which I understand costs a fortune to license off DVSI), everything else is just coding the software. In fact there is very little difference between Motorola's P25 X2 and MotoTRBO protoc...

Bigfella237

Pretty much all Motorola accessories these days have at least one Dallas/Maxim One-Wire device in them, which can be responsible for storing all kinds of data as well as reading voltage and temperature in the case of batteries, so I'd guess that any non-OEM manufacturer trying to emulate Motorola's ...

Bigfella237

My ASTRO25 CPS only allows a maximum of 50 zones with a maximum of 255 modes per zone.

Just open "Zone Channel Assignment", click the "++" button and scrolling down once will give you the maximum of anything that you can add.

Andrew

Bigfella237

So the problem was that Hex Workshop was not saving your changes the whole time, any idea why?

I use (a licensed copy of) WinHex myself so I'm not familiar with Hex Workshop, was it an evaluation copy or freeware?

Andrew

Bigfella237

I am guessing you got into trouble using "Save As..." If you have a backup of your original file quarantined somewhere, just open the CPS EXE file in WinHex, make your changes and try to close WinHex; it will ask if you want to save the changes, to which you say Yes, WinHex will close and ...

Bigfella237

Once again, your best tool here is information. You first need to know what KID(s) is/are being used over the air and compare that to the key list in the radio. I'm guessing you have a key loaded with a matching ALGID and KID but non-matching key data? Proper Code Detect only applies to "Non-AS...

Bigfella237

If you can read/write the brick from the rear connector then it must have power and be booted up; and it's safe to assume the CH has power (if it's displaying the error) so you would be better off checking/swapping out cables rather than throwing extra CHs at it? It's not impossible that a cable has...

Bigfella237

You don't need to do all that. Just go to radio wide and tick the box "secure hardware equipped" and it will allow you to modify those settings without a UCM in place. You will however receive an ERR 09/10 on POST though. So you're saying that a radio without a UCM will unmute encrypted a...

Bigfella237

~ I believe if you program a radio that has a removable UCM (I don't think you can remove the UCM in the 4K, and certainly not in the APX?) module to be secure without that UCM installed you will always hear the R2D2 noises regardless of having a matching KID. Alex That would make sense Alex, but j...

Bigfella237

It has nothing to do with squelch, that's all done on a lower layer to the encryption/vocoding. Even if you use the 'catch-all' NAC, allowing you to receive all P25 transmissions, you still won't hear encrypted traffic. All P25 data contains an ALGID & KID (among other things), if the vocoder da...

Bigfella237

I can't really see any practical reason why you'd want to hear the R2D2 noises, there maybe some novelty value but I assure you that won't last long! Anyhow, you will need to find out which ALGID & KID is being used and then keyload a key (any key) to the radio using those same details. If the r...

Bigfella237

What software are you entering non-hex characters into?

I just tried APX, ASTRO25 and MotoTRBO CPS and all only allow hex character entry.

Andrew

Bigfella237

Yep, guessing the problem will be with the Motorola USB driver versus Windows 8, do you have a serial programming cable and a decent quality USB-->Serial adapter you could try (assuming the PC doesn't have a 'real' serial port of course)?

Andrew

Bigfella237

fineshot1 wrote: ~ Not sure what you mean by "Brick" brackets ~ Perhaps by "Brick" you mean to say Transceiver? ~

Yes, "Brick" is Motorola's terminology for the transceiver chassis, not to be confused with "Bricking a radio", which is a whole new ball of wax.

Andrew

Bigfella237

Correct, it simply changes the 'flag' in the S-record so the earlier CPS will read the codeplug, although subsequent reading and rewriting may effect some features not supported by the earlier CPS version. Remember too that you don't necessarily have to go all the way back to R12, if the radio was l...

Bigfella237

Assuming you saw the pinout attachment on the other forum, the 13th and 14th pins from the top are labeled "CE_OPT_SEL1" and "CE_OPT_SEL2", these are the Option Select pins and are used to let the radio know what type of accessory is connected. For example, a Remote Speaker Mic w...

Bigfella237

See my post on the P25 forum here for the pinout: https://www.p25.ca/threads/1025-XTS4000-Programming-cable-schematic-needed?p=7290#post7290 (Sorry to redirect you to another forum but I can't post images here) The only difference between the XTS4000 cables and the Nextel variant would appear to be ...

Bigfella237

There is a CpFix utility over on the P25.ca forum to roll back your codeplug version to R12, I've never tried it on a 4k but I don't see why it wouldn't work? Once you've successfully run that utility, just read and re-write the codeplug with whichever CPS version you want to use (just so long as it...

Bigfella237

This is getting to be a very common problem for interoperability and more so in the TRBO world lately. As tvsjr said there is currently no way to have two keys of the same algo with duplicate KIDs in the same radio, it's been suggested that radio manufacturers could easily get around this by allowin...

Bigfella237

Bear in mind that the latest APX CPS Release notes (R11.05.00) state: " This will be the last CPS release to support the Windows XP and Windows Vista operating systems. " I haven't seen any simular notation for ASTRO 25 (or any other family) CPS yet but chances are it's in the pipeline? An...

Bigfella237

Q811 is a package ("Digital MDC Conventional Package") not a FLASHcode option.

Each package has a set list of FLASHcode options, so you would simply order a specific package rather than selecting a list of f/c options individually. The Q811 package includes the Q806 f/c option.

Andrew

Bigfella237

Let's do the time warp again...

Didn't we do this already?

Andrew

Bigfella237

Before you get your hopes up, Motorola in their usual fashion have not setup this feature as you might think. A radio programmed in this way must still be a legitimate subscriber to the system and it will still affiliate with the site (so talkgroup traffic will be available), it just inhibits PTT I'...

Bigfella237

Sorry, I assumed you had it programmed already... In CPS, go into "Radio Configuration > Display & Menu > Menu Items" and add "COLR" to both the conventional and trunking menus. From memory it brings up a sub-menu to select a color rather than toggling between just two colors...

Bigfella237

Not as far as I know, obviously you can set up one of the softkeys to select the color but I don't think there's a way to control it via software otherwise?

Andrew

Bigfella237

Change the control head display color to red.

Andrew

Bigfella237

I know this is not exactly what you asked but some radios can also be optioned and programmed to send stun and kill commands to other radios directly (using "H02 - Encrypted Tactical Inhibit").

Andrew

Bigfella237

Is this what you're looking for...

http://www.akardam.net/moto/tools/aa25convert.pl

Andrew

Bigfella237

Oh yeah, I forgot that there is an order in which most of the defaulting should be done, thanks to MTS2000des for the reminder. I will ALWAYS save a standard codeplug as soon as I first get my hands on any radio, whether it be our own or a third party's gear, it's just common sense to have a backup ...

Bigfella237

A Motorola dealer would be able to make you a brand new blank codeplug but apart from that no, there is no way to do a global reset of a codeplug. That said, the easiest way to do what you want is to work through the codeplug and create new "Default" lists, personalities, zones etc., then ...

Bigfella237

You can set up two XTL mobiles to operate from one control head (with the G474 - Multi Radio Software option) but you are restricted to using the old W3 HHCH only , and the "Hot Red Receiver" option is not supported in ASTRO 25 radios. And as you say, the ASTRO 25 platform is virtually at ...

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