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it's amazing what time does.... that system you have was ~ $100,000.00 when it was new.... good luck learning.... but I'll tell you that the current day technology is so much different today... no more discreet components/signals and custom PROMs, etc... 20% hardware/80% software.....and all IP thes...

To all of you who met david over the years (he was the infamous "MR. COOK" at dayton circa 2005ish) - i was notified yesterday by his son that David passed on 11/19/2014. David was retired from Motorola UK some years back and was a great guy to be around. I will miss his stories and chats....

the four contact radios are very early production runs.

this was the first attempt at "smart" battery technology that also played into the saber intellicharger design...

it went the way of the do-do

d

were these formal reports or just some testing?

i'd like to see the OQE --- seriously --- and not as a moto defender either.... just curious how the testing was done and under what conditions...

doug

from the spec sheet:

Supported Encryption Algorithms AES and ADP
Encryption Algorithm Capacity Single Algorithm

well that sucks...

this was a problem with every single MCS 2k radio that i owned.

i once had a 110w uhf tray that drew damn near an AMP when off.

sent it to the depot (when it was in the USA) - "could not replicate problem"

whatever

i sold them all.... good riddance to that series...

Golden corral

man.... that's gross dude. i have a friend of a cousins step sisters mom's brother who told me stories about that place.

d

n3obl wrote:I believe they are NLA.

yeah, i bought all that was left in stock.

buy the seller, not the radio.

although - this is why i don't sell on greedbay anymore --- shill bidding that they DO NOT care about - and FVFs... charging me final value fees on shipping is just so silly it should be illegal.

d

most of that stuff i actually used... but most of the pics came from others here on the board (and google)

can't believe it's been so long ago...........

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... PQ1aTAQlUg

interesting author of that article...

what?

a dx will certainly work with an analog saber....

as the ax > bx > cx > dx life progressed of the T3011.... backwards compatibility was an ABSOLUTE MUST...

d

HOLY BATSHIT

IS THAT A SPEAKER INTEGRATED INTO A HIGH TIER MOBILE?

must have been an earthquake in hell.

d

I believe so...been a looooong time tho.

I seem to recall u didnt get 128 channels either

See this

http://www.repeater-builder.com/motorol ... index.html

Doug

just as a point of reference, the KVL kept at most Moto shops for working on fed agency radio installs only has the KLK/KEK loaded into it. if memory serves, the KMF back in the day was a MDC1200 based system. this is how it worked: tech works on radio tech blasts radio with KEK tech calls dispatch ...

F**K

again?

crap.

literally, crap.

again?

crap.

like geyser...

crap.

i would try a new SCM and see if that fixes the problem.

i have seen some wierd crap on quantar stations... and i don't even deal with them that often.

i suspect you have some kind of logic problem or a firmware mismatch (somehow)

d

not to digress.... but...

what modulation did the old next "directTalk" use...?

nextel = TDMA.... so just wondering.

doug

Good work.

Now in the name of 4chan.....

Pics or didnt happen.

Just kidding _ however there could be commetcial applications for your work....

Doug

google...

friend....

http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.p ... 01&start=0

121C-38 MOBILE ASTRO SPECTRA W5 403-433 MHZ 20-40WATTS 128 CHANNEL 146W 1

not only is everything above true - i would add that using a "hacked" system key to access a trunked radio system (even just to monitor it) is considered a "computer network break-in" or "network trespass". i'm not sure what florida's laws are on the topic, but you can ...

perform a complete alignment and check the OFB trunking channels to make sure that something isn't in there that is out of range....

i have seen this before with the same symptoms you describe... and it was due to a 178MHz channel being in one of the OOB trunking personalities....

doug

i dunno terry... there are a :o TON of 3k+'s in use today... many more than the 3k. when the 3k came out... all it had over a T3011DX was the ability to load multi-algos.... so very few people upgraded their T3011's. AES changed that game though... mainly due to that and CKR vice PID key storage.......

...

and KVL3000 upgrades were DISCO'd a LOOOONG time ago.

those upgrades went the way of the DODO as soon as the KVL3000+ came out.... "planned obsolescence"

no firmware or algo adds are available. period.

doug

http://sciencebusiness.technewslit.com/?p=5652

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/11/p25_vulnerable

the "non-plus" KVL3000 *CANNOT* be upgraded to support AES

you must have a KVL3000+ to load AES keys

d

i bet that your radio does not have a MACE chip on the board.

that would be a non-recoverable error i think.

congratulations on your paperweight.

doug

PMLN4931 is the number per my list...

bring lubricant... they ain't cheap.

http://www.akardam.net/moto/docs/mirror ... odules.pdf

please note, i no longer need this - found it long ago...like 6 years.

d

excellent read, thanks for the link.

d

can you explain that? what is the method of authentication? how is it "loaded"? via the KVL?

anyone know what this is?

i have a module here with OFB/XL/AES-256 and AES-CGM

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a few things to consider.

Marine VHF - not subject to narrowbanding

Media links - not subject to narrowbanding

i'm sure there are other outliers too

First and foremost, I am just relaying some information. It's certainly far from a dead-set conclusion. If you don't have a relevant reply other than "that's dumb" - please keep it to yourself. PART 97 Ham Radio Service and the Looming Narrowband Mandate Coming later this year or early nex...

orlando is one of the most ham-unfriendly places, except maybe the northeast, to use amateur radio. there are so many tourists ... that none of the locals are eager to respond to any calls. it's a kickass repeater - still on one of the highest towers around... but prob on 10 or so digital users in t...

did a search, i didn't see these mentioned. these are INSERTS for the 4k and 7k that enable one to use a standard WPLN4111 impres charger: XTS 4000: PMLN5429A ($30ish bux) APX 7000: NNTN7687A ($30 ish bux) -- single unit adapter NNTN7686A ($30 ish bux) -- multi-unit charger adapter better than buyin...

i heard today from a trusted source that M will *NOT* be releasing the dual radio O3/O5 firmware to the mass market (i.e. the rumored FW13.xx upgrade for dual radio w/ O3-O5). this is a marketing drive to push everyone into the apx mobile. i am betting that there might be an SP release for certain 3...

R2660 TDMA/iden service monitor

only way i know of to do it.

d

no, the X9k will NOT work with any of the newer spectra heads...

matter of fact, i can say positively, as i did it on mistake once and smoked an A5 control head doing it...

doug

speaking of thales...

what's the deal with the Liberty?

i haven't heard much about it since apco LAST YEAR (2008)

doug

in ref to peter's words above... moto did the same thing with VSELP guys... they had a product ready to ship that did not meet the standard, but the hardware was ready... so they released what they had.

i dont see this being much different...

d

a few, FEW... very select customers have field units on VHF/700-800

they are engraved on the front as beta test units.

the one i handled is a very slick radio... display is great... GPS works great.

antenna length ... sucks.

doug

was developed for Type 1 encryption.

was first radio to use an integrated vocoder (a la Astro saber) vice the 3 board layout of the XTS 3000.

no trunking option was ever officially available for the radio... any radio with trunking is Hax0r'd

doug

IMHO, it's a non-working $25 (NOT $125) radio...

it's analog
it's obsolete
it's on the verge of being no longer supported at the depot

don't waste your time, spend your $ on something that works.

d

the original intent with the MT / MTS series was a way to restrict the sales of the radio. just like the Saber / Systems Saber - the Systems Saber and the MTS series were considered High Tier "Private Systems" (Moto's terms) radios. They were not orderable from the run of the mill Moto sho...

two recommendations

#1 - give him another radio

#2 - don't bother sending the "bad" one in to the depot... total waste of time there. maybe arrange for it to be "lost at the scene"?

doug

follow up

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the upgrade is actually a field orderable item for the KVL3000+ --- not a flash item for the radio itself.

the "upgrade" consists of a PCMCIA card that goes in the KVL3000+ slot that upgrades the UCM via the KVL

doug

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