Saber people - anyone have the pinout for a bypass module

yoyoyo · Post by **yoyoyo** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:52 pm

the inside has 15 holes in 1 row and below the 15 are 3 together and then 2 together. I know i need to short out 2 pins to get tx audio, what ones are they ??
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Post by **HumHead** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 8:18 pm

Take a look here:

http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?t=3079

Monty posted a picture that should answer your question quite clearly.

When in doubt, try the search feature. Many topics have been covered previously.

Will · Post by **Will** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 5:38 pm

I did not see any picture there????

Post by **HumHead** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 6:58 pm

Monty's reply (should be something like the 4th post in the thread) should contain a shot that looks like it came from the service manual showing the pin locations and numbers.

Let me see if i can "hijack" it into this thread:

Hi:

No real secret !!

All the By-Pass module U900 is a jumper
between Pin 1 and Pin 17 in the following:

I generally use the wire from a Small Diode, and just bend the wire over to fit. Its
recommended to use a small piece of Teflon Tubbing to prevent any shorts

Monty

Will · Post by **Will** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 3:13 am

Thanks for the photo. I do not see the pin numbers on my computer, could you point them out somehow?

1 and 17, correct?

Also could the problem of no transmit audio on a MCX1000 be due to a missing DVP Module? Not having the book(s) on one.

ricciticcitembo · Post by **ricciticcitembo** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:41 am

First of all, The picture is UPSIDE DOWN!
It is the BACKSIDE of the board. Not very usefull to describe what to "jump" without blowing up the radio.
Originally when I asked the question, and got the answer with the photo I was STILL confused, but 10-95 Frank Helped me out greatly. It was only after I got a service manual that I finally figured out why I was confused with the pin numbers (Because the pic is the BACK of the Motherboard as it is in the service manual)

So - Here is what the pins look like from the TOPSIDE
where the module plugs in.

15 14 13 12 11 10 09 08 07 06 05 04 03 02 01

16 17 18 ---------------------------19 20

and yes it is pins 17 and 1.

This should eliminate ALL of the confusion.
I have given this info out to a number of other clueless no TX Saber Ebayers with positive results.

And this is in no way to discredit Monty, as the Pic he posted is the actual photo in the service manual,
as it is - UPSIDE DOWN

And I also want to Clarify, that the saber is a SIX (6) Layer Board.
The Manual calls SIDE 1 the area with all of the SMD's.
The manual calls SIDE 2 the place where all the "Modules" plug in.

But make no mistake about it.
side 2 is the physical "Front" of the radio,
and side 1 is the back of the radio.

and to make it even more confusing, motorola's picture is captioned "side2 viewed from side 1"
STUPID.
there is NO pic of side 2 directly.
Henceforth, the confusion........

Will- I couldn't figure out the MCX1000's Crypto either.
Thats why I went with Spectras on that.

Will · Post by **Will** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:44 am

ricciticcitembo, I was just trying to figure why the MCX1000 UHF did not have any TX modulation. I asumed that it MAY have had an encription module that is not there anymore. And may need a "bypass"???
Oh if only we had a roadmap.. which way did it go?.

Andreas · Post by **Andreas** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:02 am

I have a schematic of the module socket on my homepage too(MX1000 text).You only have to join the red marked points.

Andreas

Monty · Post by **Monty** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 5:50 am

ricciticcitembo

First of all, The picture is UPSIDE DOWN!

With all due respect the photo is NOT UPSIDE DOWN
as you have indicated !

In one is Standing Up, and then places head where your
feet were located, that would be " Upside Down '

The Photo is simply a view from the PC
Board " Compont " side showing the
[ PIN NUMBER LOCATION ] which most Ham operators
and Techs have a full undestanding.

Can you see where Pin 1 and 17 are located ? See the
outline of the module ?

If you read the original post, the fellow was wanting
the [ PIN OUT ] for the Bypass Module, and that was
supplied

The Photo of the Board, and of the Module clearly shows
the [ Pin Out ] and the Location, and the EVEN THE PIN
NUMBERS!

Here is a photo for those who have trouble understanding
what Pin Numbers are and how they refelect on a PC board.

If you are not able to reflect the physical module outline
and pin number configuration, I would highly suggest
you you get the appropriate module, and use that inplace
of a jumper.

Failure to observe that, could lead to a radio failure should
you short out the wrong location

Again, its VERY CLEAR as to what the pin number location
is. ( Much the same as the program cables on batlabs )

Not only does one have a photo for the [ Module Itself ], but
you have a Module Outline on the board, and again, the Pin
Numbers are VERY CLEAR as to what ( and where ) the Jumper
should be placed.

Monty

ricciticcitembo · Post by **ricciticcitembo** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:18 am

Yeah. I know UPSIDE DOWN might not be the best
words to describe it, but I couldn't think of a better way to draw attention to the side2 viewed from side1.

So If you discount mt entire first paragraph,
everything else I said Is completely factual.
(except for another Upside down reference)

I can see the pin numbers clearly on my SGI's 23 Inch Nokia.

I don't think the pic is very clear on a 15 inch PC monitor though. You can't see the pin numbers, and
there is no mention of the pic being side2 viewed
from side 1.

The Second photo is much better for a newbie.
Right along the same lines as you didn't wan't to tell
someone to jump the lock line on a lo band mt, for
fear a newbie would jump the wrong thing and burn
it up, same with a bypass module on the Saber.

If the picture was so informative, then people woudn't
keep asking me the same question via PM.
And I keep having to say the same thing over and over.
Thats WHY I brought attention to this matter.

And If you still don't see my point, then God Bless You.

At least other people will benefit from our little discussion. I am sure of it.

I Fully agree with what you said in your last post
with a front view Picture.
And I'm glad you posted that. Thank You Very Much.

Dave

Monty · Post by **Monty** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:57 am

Hi:

This is to help those who have problems reading and
understanding a simple, stright foward diagram.

I can see the upgrade photo on my laptop with ease,
and I wear glasses.

If you can't understand this photo, I can't help you.

Here are both views.

And t his is the first I have ever herd of a
person ( especially on a Professional forum ) that
had trouble with ( 1 ) wire and where to place it.

God help them if there was more than 1.

Therefore, both views are shown !

Monty · Post by **Monty** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:05 am

Hi:

Also, if you wish to keep your radio stock, use
the By-pass module below.

The above is as simple as placing a battery in a flashlight

MS

wazzzzzzzzup · Post by **wazzzzzzzzup** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 11:21 am

now, to make this thread even longer, what about a bypass module or something like this, for a MX series secure capable radio....

i have several and it would be nice to know.

wazz

Will · Post by **Will** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:00 pm

Thanks for the dual photo, now my head is clearing!!

That covers it from both sides...

Will
Four star General,
BatTeam West

mx2000 · Post by **mx2000** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 5:43 pm

Is there a manual supplement or instructions/circuit diagram on how the encryptyion module (U900 DES) works????

Will · Post by **Will** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:08 am

Well my very sick Securenet Saber is doing much better now. Thanks to all who helped the NTN4711B module was bad. It kept putting a beep in the receiver audio every time the receiver unsquelched, with or without PL. Removed the module and put a jumper in.

Heck, I don't even know what the NTN4711B is anyway.

Will
Four Star General,
BatTeam West

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