Any way to determine type of secure module w/o disassembling

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Any way to determine type of secure module w/o disassembling

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I am looking for any way to determine type of secure module installed/flashed into UCM algorithms in case with XTS2500/3000/5000 without disassembling the radio.

For e.g. by analyzing encryption keys, enabled in CPS options & etc.
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Re: Any way to determine type of secure module w/o disassembling

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for the XTS3000, put the radio into service mode. Note the EMC firmware version. If its in the 3.x range its a NTN9121 UCM type board or possibly a V67. If its older 1-2.x then note the algos on the board and cross reference for the part number of the board in the documents found in the securenet sticky at the top of this subforum.
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Re: Any way to determine type of secure module w/o disassembling

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This is XTS5000:

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It means that UCM is installed?
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Re: Any way to determine type of secure module w/o disassembling

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immelmen28 wrote:for the XTS3000, put the radio into service mode. Note the EMC firmware version.
My XTS3000 show EMC as R00.00.

What it means?

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Keys aren't loaded.
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Re: Any way to determine type of secure module w/o disassembling

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The radio will display EMC 00.00 if there is no secure module installed in the radio, but the "Secure Hardware Equipped" box is checked in CPS.

It will also display error code 09/10 upon power-up which means there is no Secure module installed but the box is checked in CPS.

If it does not scroll the different algorithims across the screen when you put it in test mode, and says EMC 00.00 thats usually the problem.
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Re: Any way to determine type of secure module w/o disassembling

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GEMOTO wrote:The radio will display EMC 00.00 if there is no secure module installed in the radio, but the "Secure Hardware Equipped" box is checked in CPS.

It will also display error code 09/10 upon power-up which means there is no Secure module installed but the box is checked in CPS.
"Secure Hardware Equipped" box is checked, but no error codes!
If it does not scroll the different algorithims across the screen when you put it in test mode, and says EMC 00.00 thats usually the problem.
Scrolling sequence:
...
EMC R00.00
KG1 NONE
KG2 NONE
KG3 NONE
Model number
...
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Re: Any way to determine type of secure module w/o disassembling

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Yup, 99.9% sure there is no module installed.
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Re: Any way to determine type of secure module w/o disassembling

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No module installed or the module is bad (failed to the point of not communicating with the radio).
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Re: Any way to determine type of secure module w/o disassembling

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ahhh

seen this before

when the radio was ordered, a secure module was on the STIC, but there was no encryption algo loaded at the factory.

basically - it's so that when an agency is ready to go secure, all they have to purchase is a flash bump for the module to load the key.... not the most economical way to do it --- but you don't have to add any hardware either.

of course, could just be a fubar'd module too --- but i've seen bunches of "blank" UCMs.



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Re: Any way to determine type of secure module w/o disassembling

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Does anyone have part/order numbers to flash a blank UCM in a field radio? I haven't come across any..and I know there are part numbers for the blank modules that are orderable.

Agreed..I guess its easier than opening up many radios to install a module..
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the upgrade is actually a field orderable item for the KVL3000+ --- not a flash item for the radio itself.

the "upgrade" consists of a PCMCIA card that goes in the KVL3000+ slot that upgrades the UCM via the KVL



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Re: Any way to determine type of secure module w/o disassembling

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Ok.. I was thinking of that approach as well, but also haven't seen any part numbers or pricing for that either.
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