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Narrowband Clarification...

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Narrowband Clarification...

Postby Tony.RI » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:46 pm

My posting this question in t2k's thread was probably impolite, so I'm starting a new thread for it:
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If you want to use the radio for other than ham use... MURS commercial freqs etc, then get a radio that is narrowband capable. MURS is narrowband. MT1000 and earlier HT1000 will not handle narrowband. HT1000s model numbers that end in AN & BN are NOT narrow capable. Models ending in CN or DN are. I would avoid investing monies into wideband only radios. In about a year and a half wideband will go away for commercial use. Government users have until Dec 31 2012. There will be an abundance of wideband radios being discarded over this time. Values will greatly decrease as the narrowband deadline approaches. There may be conversion available for some radios, but this will require more investment and someone to install them.Stick to a newer model radio that will handle 12.5 KHz narrowband emissions.

Ok, I must not be understanding something in the right way. I have a AN HT1000 that has a 12.5 KHz spacing option. How is that any different from my XTS3000, MT2000, or even a DN HT1000 with 12.5KHz spacing?

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Re: Narrowband Clarification...

Postby Jim2121 » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:06 pm

Tony.RI check your pm's
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Re: Narrowband Clarification...

Postby Tom in D.C. » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:03 pm

A bit OT, but because so many people read the stuff we all post here, let's clarify the MURS bandwidth question. There are five MURS channels, the lowest three are narrowband but the top two are optionally wideband OR narrowband.
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Re: Narrowband Clarification...

Postby t2k » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:17 pm

Tony.RI wrote:[snip]
Ok, I must not be understanding something in the right way. I have a AN HT1000 that has a 12.5 KHz spacing option. How is that any different from my XTS3000, MT2000, or even a DN HT1000 with 12.5KHz spacing?

I'd like to hear the answer to that too, please.

I just looked at a BN HT1000 that also can select the 12.5 khz spacing.
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Re: Narrowband Clarification...

Postby Batwings21 » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:37 pm

Your HT1000 question, it is a common rumor that all ht1000's older than a "DN" are not narrowband capable. In fact that is what we tell our customers, but its not true. Older HT's that allow you to select 12.5 channel spacing in the rss will do narrowband, what they don't do is splinter frequencies. When they took the 25khz channels and divided them in half, half you channels are on frequencies wideband channels used to be on, the others in between each of those is a splinter channel. If your freq falls on one of those splinter channels, your ht1000 bn, cn will not work only a dn will take the channel. Older mcs2k's, probably mts2k's, astro sabers and astro spectra's will not do them either, without either a firmware update or in some cases new rf board. Hope this answers your question.

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Re: Narrowband Clarification...

Postby Hartley » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:11 pm

Hi Gents,

Some time ago, in response to these sorts of stories, I tested several VHF and UHF HT1000s that I had available. EVERY MODEL - AN thru DN, VHF or UHF, worked exactly the same as far as channel steps and wide/narrow deviation (TX & RX). ALL of these radios would do a 5 kHz or 6.25 kHz step (but NONE of them will do a 2.5 kHz step) and all of them reduce deviation and switch in a narrower filter when you select "12.5 kHz channel spacing". Yes, I tested to make sure the radio was really on the frequency programmed.. :lol:

The ONLY RF performance difference I've noted between the various "letters" is that the DN (and some CN) radios have a 2.5 ppm TCXO in them, and the earlier versions have a 5 ppm TCXO. (stock - yes, you can replace this part with a later version) The controllers in the later models have many enhancements, of course, and since they changed the RF boards, I assume there are enhancements there, too - but nothing that affects whether it will do narrowband or not.

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Re: Narrowband Clarification...

Postby The Pager Geek » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:24 pm

As stated, ALL HT1000's will do narrowband... only DN will do splinter channels.

Only DN version HT1000's will allow you to program them. Even IF you do find a way to force program it... it won't TX it. The older firmware has no idea how to handle it.
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