Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:11 am
There have been murmurs of a high split model being available but I have not seen anything in writing as far as expected release date
Don't rub it in...escomm wrote:Todd... if it's not resolved by Monday... I can always ask one of the product group guys in Vegas for you
Thanks!escomm wrote:There have been murmurs of a high split model being available but I have not seen anything in writing as far as expected release date
M technically won't ever SELL you the CPS or any CPS for that matter because the CPS like any other software product is LICENSED, not SOLD to you. When M approves you for the General License or higher-level license for the HT/CDM series CPS, it's a software license agreement that you've been approved for.Johnny Galaga wrote:I've read other threads on here that it's really hard to get Motorola to sell you the CPS. Is that still true with these new radios?
They sell Motorola radios for a livingJohnny Galaga wrote:So how do certain people get to be all on the inside? How do certain people get to be the first to have certain radios or information.
Yeah, basically. We just ask our Motorola dealer rep the questions, and he generally answers them to the best of his knowledge & ability.escomm wrote:They sell Motorola radios for a livingJohnny Galaga wrote:So how do certain people get to be all on the inside? How do certain people get to be the first to have certain radios or information.
Is the nasily audio heard in analog or digital mode?ve3nsv wrote:Only complaint so far is the audio sounds nasily, takes a little getting use to but over all sounds decent.
Digital moden1das wrote:Is the nasily audio heard in analog or digital mode?ve3nsv wrote:Only complaint so far is the audio sounds nasily, takes a little getting use to but over all sounds decent.
No low level expansion, companding or x-pand, just AGC in analog which I think sounds better off but it is a matter of personal preference.Does the MOTOTRBO have X-Pand audio companding? Could your nasily audio be due to this feature being ON? I haven't seen X-Pand listed as a feature in a product brochure or spec sheet for the radio.
Audio on the portables and mobiles is superb in my opinion but your mileage may vary depending on the install or application. My experience is based in comparison to the Waris and Commercial series radios so others may disagree.Is the audio output loud and punchy and undistorted when you crank the volume up? I like portables with good and LOUD receive audio so I can easily hear the radio in noisy environments. I'm curious about how it compares to other Moto portables that are known for being real loud when the volume is cranked up.
Excellent! That's what I was curious about. If it blows away the Waris series receive audio, that's more than good enough for me.ve3nsv wrote: Audio on the portables and mobiles is superb in my opinion but your mileage may vary depending on the install or application. My experience is based in comparison to the Waris and Commercial series radios so others may disagree.
Production quantities are available now...we've already sold a complete portable/mobile/repeater system to a customer. All radio hardware has arrived & we'll be setting it up for them in the next little while.n1das wrote:Anybod have any updates on MOTOTRBO pricing and availability?
How much $ for the portables and mobiles?
When will production quantities be available?
MOTOTRBO = *DROOL*
The radios are more expensive than the their HT/CDM counterparts by about 25%, and the repeater lists for $2500wavetar wrote: I'm not in sales, so I don't know exact pricing, but I'm told the field radios are in the HT/CDM range and I know the repeater is less expensive than the rack-mount GR1225.
Todd
BNC? About time!Bob wrote: Position 10: Feature level
1: Standard (portable)
1: Mini-U (repeater and mobile)
2: BNC (repeater and mobile)
Does the CPS require a Restricted SLA or does the General SLA cover it?Bob wrote: RVN5115 MOTOTRBO CPS, Tuner, and AirTracer Applications CD
Item Number. RVN5115Bn1das wrote:Does the CPS require a Restricted SLA or does the General SLA cover it?Bob wrote: RVN5115 MOTOTRBO CPS, Tuner, and AirTracer Applications CD
How do you have this licensed? My guy who handles my licensing gave this response to the questionwavetar wrote:we've already sold a complete portable/mobile/repeater system to a customer. All radio hardware has arrived & we'll be setting it up for them in the next little while.
Just wondering if anyone has any more light on this?The biggest concern I have is with the continuous transmit. That just doesn't fit well on "shared" frequencies. I believe this will have to
be licensed under the provisions for "exclusive" use as trunking systems are (FB8 station class). This means that in a given area there are no
other licensees and will be no other licensees. In a heavily populated area it is almost impossible to get those kind of licenses for wide area operation; there are still some possibilities for lower power/height campus type systems. I suppose it would fit well on the 454/459 MHz wide area licenses that were sold at auction.
Both sides of the street. There are licenses on UHF from 470-476 that are "exclusive-use" frequencies. In crowded markets they can easily fetch $250-$300,000 apiece. Also, note that many of these exclusive-use licenses are 25kc separation, and the owners of these licenses are absolutely notorious for litigating just about any application for a splinter channel (12.5kc separation) or within their radius of exclusivity... the Commission tossed an application for a license located 39.95Km from another station because the area of exclusivity on the license was 40Km.mr.syntrx wrote:Out of curiosity, how far apart do frequencies get reassigned in the USA? In .au, ACMA won't reassign the same frequency within 100km of another licensee for a duplex system, or 140km for a simplex system. They also have a policy of only assigning frequencies already in use as far away as possible, e.g. given a choice, if they were going to assign a frequency in Sydney, and they found one only already in use on the west coast, they'd assign that one.
We have comparable spectrum availale to AU, however the US has so many more radio users that spectrum is at a premiumAlso, I understand you have severe restrictions on what spectrum you can get access to thanks to the feds hogging huge chunks of bandwidth? We have 70-87.5, 149-174, 403-420 and 450-520 available for ordinary civilian land mobile radio, minus a few MHz here and there and the 800MHz band exclusively for trunking.
Fair enough. I wouldn't have thought the situation would be that bad, with all kinds of licensees half a bee's d**k apart on the same freq, considering how well we get by, even in Sydney and Melbourne which have populations about the same as that of Los Angeles.escomm wrote: We have comparable spectrum availale to AU, however the US has so many more radio users that spectrum is at a premium
I think you misunderstand...Just because the repeater is capable of continuous duty, doesn't mean it will be used as such. There are many continuous duty capable repeaters made by many different manufacturers...the licensing doesn't change because they're well-built. Analog or digital, the repeater will only transmit while it's in actual use, not otherwise.wiscomm wrote:How do you have this licensed? My guy who handles my licensing gave this response to the questionwavetar wrote:we've already sold a complete portable/mobile/repeater system to a customer. All radio hardware has arrived & we'll be setting it up for them in the next little while.
Just wondering if anyone has any more light on this?The biggest concern I have is with the continuous transmit. That just doesn't fit well on "shared" frequencies. I believe this will have to
be licensed under the provisions for "exclusive" use as trunking systems are (FB8 station class). This means that in a given area there are no
other licensees and will be no other licensees. In a heavily populated area it is almost impossible to get those kind of licenses for wide area operation; there are still some possibilities for lower power/height campus type systems. I suppose it would fit well on the 454/459 MHz wide area licenses that were sold at auction.
Craig
Just found it on my MOL too and I already have a General SLA in place.Bob wrote:
Are both $299 on my MOL, so I guess it's covered under the general SLA.
The freq pair technically is shared with other licensees in the same licensed radio service which have the same freq pair licensed although they may not be users of the same system. If the frequency coordination has been done properly during the licensing process, then hopefully different systems licensed on the same freq pair will be far enough distant from each other to be able to coexist without problems. I guess that's how it's supposed to work in theory.wavetar wrote: I think you misunderstand...Just because the repeater is capable of continuous duty, doesn't mean it will be used as such. There are many continuous duty capable repeaters made by many different manufacturers...the licensing doesn't change because they're well-built. Analog or digital, the repeater will only transmit while it's in actual use, not otherwise.
I'm not sure what he means by 'shared' frequencies...a repeater is supposed to have it's own licensed, dedicated pair, nothing 'shared' about it.
Todd
No, unless both timeslots are in use with people talking. Otherwise, if nobody's talking or otherwise exchanging traffic, it won't transmit at all, just like any conventional repeater.n1das wrote:We know it CAN transmit continuously, but does a MOTOTRBO repeater NEED to transmit continuously?
No different to a busy analog repeater.n1das wrote:If a MOTOTRBO repeater's transmitter is "always on" in one form or another (continuously transmits or periodically updates/polls), then it potentially COULD make it harder to coexist with other licensees on the same channel pair.
Transmit to keep what updated?n1das wrote:Analog operation - straightforward - functions like a repeater in any other analog conventional system. It transmits only when in use and not otherwise.
Digital operation - ???? - It obviously transmits while in use but what does it do while idle? Does it NEED to transmit to keep all radios updated?
Just my $0.02 FWIW.
That's the info I was looking for. Thanks for clearing things up.mr.syntrx wrote:No, unless both timeslots are in use with people talking. Otherwise, if nobody's talking or otherwise exchanging traffic, it won't transmit at all, just like any conventional repeater.n1das wrote:We know it CAN transmit continuously, but does a MOTOTRBO repeater NEED to transmit continuously?
It is just a repeater, after all.
Where you able to get Ext PTT to work on the accessory connector at all? I tried today interfacing an XPR-4550 to an IP-223 with no dice on either active high or low. I just opened another GCC in hopes that it will speed the process up a little in case they where dragging their feet a little.wavetar wrote:We were told today that VHF is going to be available in mid-June.
Well, Motorola acknowledges the problem with the accessory connector. They are apparently working frantically on a fix, as it was an apparent oversight. When something so simple gets missed, it makes me lose faith in the rest of the product. Coming soon to an MSS near you...a firmware upgrade to fix this issue.
You know...I can't remember if I tried it...I think it worked as active low for me...darn it, now I'll have to look at it again tomorrow.ve3nsv wrote:Where you able to get Ext PTT to work on the accessory connector at all? I tried today interfacing an XPR-4550 to an IP-223 with no dice on either active high or low. I just opened another GCC in hopes that it will speed the process up a little in case they where dragging their feet a little.wavetar wrote:We were told today that VHF is going to be available in mid-June.
Well, Motorola acknowledges the problem with the accessory connector. They are apparently working frantically on a fix, as it was an apparent oversight. When something so simple gets missed, it makes me lose faith in the rest of the product. Coming soon to an MSS near you...a firmware upgrade to fix this issue.
Escomm, always the first to bash someone..... I have a bit more faith in my licensing supplier then you. Will offer further details as we continue through this process.escomm wrote:That said, I dunno who Wiscomm is going through for licensing, but it would appear to me that they don't know their stuff.
Ok, no problems with PTT working at all. I believe I might know the problem you're having though...what number pin are you trying to use in the accessory connector? Be aware that even though the CPS shows the PTT as being "pin 1", it's actually "GP5_1", which corresponds to physical pin 17 on the connector.wavetar wrote:You know...I can't remember if I tried it...I think it worked as active low for me...darn it, now I'll have to look at it again tomorrow.ve3nsv wrote:Where you able to get Ext PTT to work on the accessory connector at all? I tried today interfacing an XPR-4550 to an IP-223 with no dice on either active high or low. I just opened another GCC in hopes that it will speed the process up a little in case they where dragging their feet a little.wavetar wrote:We were told today that VHF is going to be available in mid-June.
Well, Motorola acknowledges the problem with the accessory connector. They are apparently working frantically on a fix, as it was an apparent oversight. When something so simple gets missed, it makes me lose faith in the rest of the product. Coming soon to an MSS near you...a firmware upgrade to fix this issue.
Todd
Another tech at my work installed the latest firmware and it caused the radio to transmit all the time. We haven't had much time to play since then but I hear there have been a lot of installation issues.wavetar wrote:Ok, no problems with PTT working at all. I believe I might know the problem you're having though...what number pin are you trying to use in the accessory connector? Be aware that even though the CPS shows the PTT as being "pin 1", it's actually "GP5_1", which corresponds to physical pin 17 on the connector.wavetar wrote:You know...I can't remember if I tried it...I think it worked as active low for me...darn it, now I'll have to look at it again tomorrow.ve3nsv wrote: Where you able to get Ext PTT to work on the accessory connector at all? I tried today interfacing an XPR-4550 to an IP-223 with no dice on either active high or low. I just opened another GCC in hopes that it will speed the process up a little in case they where dragging their feet a little.
Todd
On another note, I was infomed by tech support there was a firmware update available on MOL now which was supposed to address my issue. Indeed, I was able to download & install it. After successfully updating my mobile to firmware version 1.00.02 (from 1.00.01)...IT STILL DOESN'T WORK!! The saga continues...
Todd
Ionno, my 17 frequency pairs passed coordination and the docs are at the FCC now.wiscomm wrote:Escomm, always the first to bash someone..... I have a bit more faith in my licensing supplier then you. Will offer further details as we continue through this process.escomm wrote:That said, I dunno who Wiscomm is going through for licensing, but it would appear to me that they don't know their stuff.
Craig
2wayfreq wrote:One question though,
If it doesn't do LTR trunking, how are they supposed to replace the CDM and HT series outright? Especially when you have a for example an 8 repeater/controller multi-talkgroup, LTR system infastructure thats very expensinve and supports something like a very large casino?
First off, they are not an outright replacement for the HT/CDM series. As I stated earlier in the thread, they are meant to slot in between the Professional series & the top-tier XTS series. Now, this does not mean they won't eventually do everything the HT/CDM radios do. MotoTRBO is the platform for pretty well all future Motorola products, so you can rest assured there will be trunking versions of these radios. Whether it's 1, 2 or 3 years down the road is the question. In the meantime, the HT/CDM series will continue to be made to serve it's existing market.2wayfreq wrote:One question though,
If it doesn't do LTR trunking, how are they supposed to replace the CDM and HT series outright? Especially when you have a for example an 8 repeater/controller multi-talkgroup, LTR system infastructure thats very expensinve and supports something like a very large casino?