MT 1500 APCO 25 UPGRADE???

BNN123 · Post by **BNN123** » Fri May 26, 2006 8:57 pm

Hi.

can the MT 1500 be upgraded to apco 25, like the PR 1500 that is suppose to be available in july 2006??

also called a dealer and asked for a MT 1500 without a display, they said motorola can not send them the unit with no display, whats up with that??

thanks

LAPD_Astro · Post by **LAPD_Astro** » Sat May 27, 2006 4:14 am

I don´t know really, but I don´t think so. On motorola.com it says that it´s only an analog radio. If it was no Astro capatable I don´t think it does Apco35

Post by **Firebuff66** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:30 am

The MT1500 comes in display and no display, we have sold both types in the last month and can order them with or without display, that motorola dealer is not with it.
2nd the MT1500 is ASTRO upgradeable, it makes the radio an XTS1500 and if you buy the MT1500 and the ASTRO upgrade it will cost you what an XTS1500 will. (if the dealer is fair.)

BNN123 · Post by **BNN123** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:26 pm

My question is can i get the astro upgrade later after i buy the unit or do i have to purchase the astro upgrade @ the same time with the radio????

Post by **Firebuff66** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:54 pm

Yes you can upgrade the MT1500 later to Astro

firetech792 · Post by **firetech792** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:46 pm

Had a display model in my hand today. It has a very solid feel. The housing looked decent too. Sounded great.

The only weird thing........it looked like a Waris battery. The radio seemed like a cross between an HT1250 and an XTS3000.

Post by **escomm** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:37 pm

The MT1500 is not capable of P25.

Post by **wavetar** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:02 am

escomm wrote:The MT1500 is not capable of P25.

Not "as is", but you CAN get it FLASHport upgraded to an XTS1500, whereupon it IS capable of P25.

Todd

N4DES · Post by **N4DES** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:26 am

But an MT1500 is advertised as an 800 MHz radio and not a 700/800
like an XTS1500. So would this mean that you would have an
psedo XTS1500 that would be 800 MHz only if it was flashed P25 or
would it expand down to 764 MHz by default?

I also ran the type FCC type acceptance # for the MT1500 and it came up as an XTS2500 so I would assume the electronics is identical and just
dumbed down to analog & 800 MHz.

compuman81 · Post by **compuman81** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:07 am

Good question,

If the FCC comes back as a 2500, it should be capable of doing upper 700 wouldn't you think?? That should indicate the RF board has the same specifications, and with an xts1500 flash, it should be able to do both bands. Maybe its just moto software limiting it. Just logical guessing.

Post by **wavetar** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:15 am

KS4VT wrote:But an MT1500 is advertised as an 800 MHz radio and not a 700/800
like an XTS1500. So would this mean that you would have an
psedo XTS1500 that would be 800 MHz only if it was flashed P25 or
would it expand down to 764 MHz by default?

I also ran the type FCC type acceptance # for the MT1500 and it came up as an XTS2500 so I would assume the electronics is identical and just
dumbed down to analog & 800 MHz.

You are correct that it's 800MHz only as an analog radio. But, I just double-checked to be sure, and the test mode frequencies are the same as the XTS2500/5000...they allow you to test right down to 764.xxxxMHz. So, it would appear that flashing to an XTS1500 will indeed change it to a 700/800 radio.

Todd

N4DES · Post by **N4DES** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:03 am

That works for me as future knowledge.

Post by **escomm** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:22 pm

wavetar wrote:
escomm wrote:The MT1500 is not capable of P25.
Not "as is", but you CAN get it FLASHport upgraded to an XTS1500, whereupon it IS capable of P25.

Todd

Todd,

Do you have some documentation on this?

N4DES · Post by **N4DES** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:01 am

Well here is a newsflash, I played dumb and asked my account manager
and he sent me a document that states that the MT1500 is not FLASHport upgradable.

Bruce1807 · Post by **Bruce1807** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:30 am

What your saying is that it that the radio is physically and technically upgradable but Mot wont sell a kit.
sort of like MTS2000 and MTX8000

N4DES · Post by **N4DES** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:57 am

I guess so...

N4DES · Post by **N4DES** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:05 am

This is what was sent to me....of course it had all the colors n stuff in
the original.

MT 1500 Portable Series 800 MHz Band
Wide Area SmartZone® "Handie-Talkie™" Radio
Trunked Radio Systems

Ship Card

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Features

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

All MT 1500 packaged models include the following hardware features:
3 Programmable Side Buttons
1 Top Mounted Programmable Three Position Concentric Switch

Orange Emergency Button
Weather Sealed Universal Connector

16 Position Mode Rotary Select Switch
Bi-Color LED Indicator

On/Off Volume
Nickel Cadmium Battery

Low Battery Alert Tone
Detachable Belt Clip

Antenna (Bandsplit and Type Dependent on Band Option)
Audio Gain Control

Noise Reduction Software
1 Year Warranty

All MT 1500 Radios ARE NOT FLASHport capable.

Post by **escomm** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:06 am

Yeah I was gonna say, I looked into the P25 upgrade and the XTS upgrade and according to /\/\, that ain't happening.

Post by **xmo** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:58 am

What Motorola says one week is not necessarily what Motorola says the next week.

In this case, the release notes for Astro25 Portable CPS Version 8 say:

"...
New CPS features supported:
===========================
- The CPS is now capable of upgrading the PR 1500 and the MT 1500 radios using FLASHport.
..."

See this thread:

http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?t=58485

Post by **escomm** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:57 am

I'm not discounting that. Just looking for some documentation. There's no better way to fight "we can't do that" than with some paper saying "yes we can." The note about flash upgrades don't really help. The MT1500 can do SmartZones, though it's not a standard option. The only other software option (and it's required at time of order) is MDC1200. So perhaps the new CPS upgrade is enabled only for the SmartZones.

Post by **wavetar** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:51 am

escomm wrote:
wavetar wrote:
escomm wrote:The MT1500 is not capable of P25.
Not "as is", but you CAN get it FLASHport upgraded to an XTS1500, whereupon it IS capable of P25.

Todd
Todd,

Do you have some documentation on this?

No, only our local M sales rep saying that it is possible. Perhaps "possible" and "reality" are two different things in his world. I'm gonna try & get a definitive answer from him. There's no 'technical' reason why it can't be done.

Todd

Karl NVW · Post by **Karl NVW** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:01 pm

Remember that 700 MHz is digital only for primary systems. The FCC says an analog-only radio is not allowed in that band, except on the low-power 2W channels. (90.535a)

Post by **wavetar** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:09 pm

Karl NVW wrote:Remember that 700 MHz is digital only for primary systems. The FCC says an analog-only radio is not allowed in that band, except on the low-power 2W channels. (90.535a)

Yep, we know that much. The MT1500 can definitely do 700MHz frequencies, as it's test mode allows it to. So, it's only a matter of a firmware upgrade to become an XTS1500 .The big question is...will Moto let you do that?

Todd

Post by **wavetar** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:27 am

Update:

I'm at the Motorola roadshow in Orlando, and I've confirmed that the MT1500 is now FLASHport upgradeable to P25!! It wasn't supported before now, and all the previous literature indicated as much, but that has now changed. I also confirmed that earlier models of the MT1500 can be upgraded...it's not something they had to change hardware-wise, it was a simple case of them creating the FLASHport package for it. This essentially changes it to an XTS1500...although I don't know if it allows XTS features like ADP (advanced digital privacy).

Todd

Post by **escomm** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:23 am

Todd,

That's amazing. My ADM said a couple months ago that there was no hardware in the radio to support P25, so this is good info to have. I'd ask about the timeframe for the upgrade being available but I have a feeling that wasn't "determined" yet

Ps. Did they bring their MOTOTRBO semi-trailer? It's got a bar and everything inside

Post by **wavetar** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:14 pm

escomm wrote: I'd ask about the timeframe for the upgrade being available but I have a feeling that wasn't "determined" yet

Yeah, I was extremely hung-over this morning & didn't think to ask about time frame for availability. My impression was it was available now. Now that Motorola has confirmed it here at the roadshow, your ADM should be able to ask the right person & give you an exact answer.

escomm wrote: Ps. Did they bring their MOTOTRBO semi-trailer? It's got a bar and everything inside

Ah, you mean their "Mobile Technical Pavilion". Yes, it's here, although they appear to have left out the bar. They can set it up to showcase pretty much any of their product lines, but it's primary purpose for the foreseeable future is MotoTRBO. That's going to be an awesome platform once they launch it.

Todd

Post by **wavetar** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:22 am

A couple of pics of the "Mobile Technical Pavilion"...yours to rent for a mere $3000 a day!!

Post by **akardam** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:12 pm

First, I don't see an antenna farm. I am dissapointed.

Second, my buzzword-o-meter is going off scale high. Attack of the Moto-Marketdroids!

*runs away screaming*

DES-AJ · Post by **DES-AJ** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:26 pm

I think MotoDriven should be replaced with MarketDriven.

Post by **escomm** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:32 pm

MoneyDriven

Post by **alex** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:28 pm

Apparently, the features below can be enabled via flash port upgrades in a 1500.... you'll notice that 9600 baud trunking and p25 is available....

-alex

Q833 - MDC 1200 Analog Conventional
Q811 - P25 Digital Conventional
Q443 - 3600 Analog Baud Trunking
Q574 - 9600 Baud Trunking
G996 - Over the Air Provisioning
G857 - FDNY Emergency Rx/Tx Tone Set

MattSR · Post by **MattSR** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:49 am

Q574 - 9600 Baud Trunking

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