MDC 1200 VS. Enhanced Digital ID Display??? PLS HELP

[themedic66]

Ok, so we sent off an xts3000 m2 and an astro saber3 to be programmed with both mdc 1200 and Digital ID. When the radio transmits in Digital, it's id shows up on other radios. When in analog, it transmits it's post-ptt id, buts that mdc id does not show up on other radios screen. It's as if the radios are sending the mdc id but are not decoding it? Does anyone know whats going on here?

[Pj]

Flashcode, host/dsp?

Have you checked the display times in the menus? Is this direct or repeated? Is it both radios both ways?

Usually the problem is on post only with a short display time so it shows only in a fraction of a sec.

MDC will only show 0-F, and not any names that you may have associated ID's with in the Call/Page fields (in case you were going that way as well).

[themedic66]

XTS:
R05.60.00
DSPN06.05.02
EMC R02.12
KG1 DES-XL
KG2 DES0-OFB
HO9RDF9PW7BN
620XXXXXXX
140001-000000-3

AS3:
R 07.01.01
DSP I07.03.09
H04RDH9PW7AN
1 MEG
FLASHCODE 100004-000000-4

Yes, I have the same problem with both radios, on both direct and repeated, and no i do not have any programming software or a way to check it......

[Josh]

You don't have digital ID display and this is why you cannot decode any IDs.

-Josh

[jmr061]

Josh is correct. Just additional, the flashcode would start with a "5" if IMBE and Digital ID were present in the radios. The "1" indicates it only has IMBE.

Jason

[themedic66]

My AS3 shows the digital ID on both simplex and repeated channels. My problem is that they are not showing the MDC1200 Post PTT ID. Is MDC1200 an option that would be in the flashcode like digital id display or would this be programmed in the CPS/RSS? So just to clarify, my real problem is that the radios are not decoding or showing the Post PTT ID....any comment?

[Pj]

I haven't had a radio that didn't have H14...

It has always been my understanding that you needed H14 to see the both the digital (IMBE) and MDC1200 ID's.

If you are seeing ID's in the digital (IMBE) mode...then I would say that is where it will end, until you get a flashport upgrade for both radios (~$75 each).

Either way, its a flash upgrade for H14 to see the MDC1200 ID's, so no matter what you do, your not going to see it until the correct flashcode is in the radio. MDC1200 itself was supported from at least HOST 3.x and up.

Do you know the history of the radio? Tags on the radio match what's inside?

[jmr061]

Sounds like a good thing to test out, seeing if a imbe radio such as the xts3k or astro spectra can decode astro ids without H14. Does anyone know the real answer or does an experiment need to be done?

Jason

[Pj]

Only thing I can think of is a flashcode hack somewhere, or its always been that way. I have always been told by Moto Sales, and seeing flashcodes of digital only depts...all had H14 to see the unit ID's.

Only other thing I can think of...is that H14 in digital would allow one to see the soft ID's rather than raw ID.

[themedic66]

PJ,

I've had the radios for at least 1yr...I dont have a way to get inside the radios.

[Pj]

Inside=Does the tags on the radio (on the case), ie serial number and flashcode match what RSS/CPS reports?

[e231]

I stumbled across this one. I have a 2500 fpp witha 120001-000100-4 flash and it decodes all (mdc, astro) id's all the time, even has the ID block enabled on the cps. Host 12. Pretty sure the one with 11. did it too. This has not been the case with all radios as I recall. In the past I thought that you had to have h14. same thing with channel announce. I dont have that as a flash option, but I think the later f/w versions include it with astro. any thoughts?

[tvsjr]

I stumbled across this one. I have a 2500 fpp witha 120001-000100-4 flash and it decodes all (mdc, astro) id's all the time, even has the ID block enabled on the cps. Host 12. Pretty sure the one with 11. did it too. This has not been the case with all radios as I recall. In the past I thought that you had to have h14. same thing with channel announce. I dont have that as a flash option, but I think the later f/w versions include it with astro. any thoughts?

Some of the flashcode features have been made a non-purchase feature in later firmware revisions. Channel announce definitely became a standard feature... I believe around R09. It's certainly possible that Moto did the same thing with some of the ID decode.

[Jason]

Terry,

You are correct. They did exactly this. I have a few 1500 and 2500 Model 1.5's that are straight IMBE 100001-XXXX flash that have nothing else, and they decode ID display. They are R09.XX host.

[Mfire39]

The MT1500, XTS1500, and XTS2500 will do ID display without H14, even without IMBE in the flash. XTS5000's still require H14...


-Marc

[DPL]

That's very interesting to know about the 1500/2500. Good thing to keep in mind when shopping. Also adds more benefit to a firmware lift.

To add to the Astro Saber/XTS3000 discussion, I know someone with a UHF Astro Saber with 7/8 firmware and a 1xxxxx-xxxxxx-x flash, and we have been unsuccessful in getting it to display any kind of digital ID, including MDC, Astro, and Soft ID. I do recall that when it was call-alerted it showed the ID of the calling radio, but not on normal transmissions.

[Josh]

That's very interesting to know about the 1500/2500. Good thing to keep in mind when shopping. Also adds more benefit to a firmware lift.

To add to the Astro Saber/XTS3000 discussion, I know someone with a UHF Astro Saber with 7/8 firmware and a 1xxxxx-xxxxxx-x flash, and we have been unsuccessful in getting it to display any kind of digital ID, including MDC, Astro, and Soft ID. I do recall that when it was call-alerted it showed the ID of the calling radio, but not on normal transmissions.

Those radios need digital ID display as well.. the flash code would begin with a '5' if it had it.

-Josh