FCC's Rebanding Decision

Hoseman292 · Post by **Hoseman292** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:29 am

I recently read where the FCC's rebanning decision. For many agencies that are APCO compliant, does this decision mean simply reprogramming or radio replacement?

Here's a link to the decision:
http://www.apcointl.org/frequency/QA.htm

Thanks guys,

Tim N3WIR
Silver Spring Maryland

sglass · Post by **sglass** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 1:29 pm

bad link tim

Hoseman292 · Post by **Hoseman292** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 1:32 pm

sglass wrote:bad link tim

Thanks Seth. Let me try another link from the periodical.
This one should take you to the main page.

http://www.apcointl.org/frequency/800hp.htm

This link should take you to a Microsoft Powerpoint presentation.

http://www.apcointl.org/frequency/docum ... g-PSV2.ppt

Tim

ASTROMODAT · Post by **ASTROMODAT** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 2:13 pm

Imagine how much 800 MHz used P25 ASTRO Spetras/XTL5k's and XTS3k/5k's will drop in price, at least for those agencies switching over to the new 700 band. Won't help Hams, though, as I have yet to see a working 902-928 MHz IMBE radio. Sigh...

Larry

N4DES · Post by **N4DES** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 4:04 pm

All of the later model radios (i.e.MTS, XTS, MT series, etc.) will have to touched due to the rebanding effort which will require the re-numbering of all of the 806 to 809/851 to 854 channels. The radios will have to be re-flashed with the new channel assignments so they work properly in a trunked environment when assigned a channel.

The LTS and LCS series radios don't have enough memory to accept the reprogramming and will be replaced on NEXTEL's dime according to "M".

Being APCO compliant doesn't have any bearing on it. It's the systems that are currently in the NPSPAC band (821 to 823/866 to 869 channels) that are specificially affected.

ASTROMODAT · Post by **ASTROMODAT** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 4:10 pm

I was thinking that there may be a certain number of radios that will have to be replaced, for those agencies that either voluntarily choose or otherwise get forced to slide down to 700 MHz. That's where I was thinking we might see some high tier radios show up for good prices.

Larry

fireradio · Post by **fireradio** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:41 pm

KS4VT wrote:All of the later model radios (i.e.MTS, XTS, MT series, etc.) will have to touched due to the rebanding effort which will require the re-numbering of all of the 806 to 809/851 to 854 channels. The radios will have to be re-flashed with the new channel assignments so they work properly in a trunked environment when assigned a channel.

The LTS and LCS series radios don't have enough memory to accept the reprogramming and will be replaced on NEXTEL's dime according to "M".

Being APCO compliant doesn't have any bearing on it. It's the systems that are currently in the NPSPAC band (821 to 823/866 to 869 channels) that are specificially affected.

Ahh, crap. If this happens in my area, my XTS (used strictly for monitoring purposes) will become useless. Guess I better start saving for a crappy digital scanner.....

Hoseman292 · Post by **Hoseman292** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 6:47 pm

fireradio wrote:
KS4VT wrote:All of the later model radios (i.e.MTS, XTS, MT series, etc.) will have to touched due to the rebanding effort which will require the re-numbering of all of the 806 to 809/851 to 854 channels. The radios will have to be re-flashed with the new channel assignments so they work properly in a trunked environment when assigned a channel.

The LTS and LCS series radios don't have enough memory to accept the reprogramming and will be replaced on NEXTEL's dime according to "M".

Being APCO compliant doesn't have any bearing on it. It's the systems that are currently in the NPSPAC band (821 to 823/866 to 869 channels) that are specificially affected.
Ahh, crap. If this happens in my area, my XTS (used strictly for monitoring purposes) will become useless. Guess I better start saving for a crappy digital scanner.....

Charlie,
This is what I was getting to when I created the thread. My department went digital a little over a year ago with a HUGE system. I'm curious to how they will be affected.

Here is further information on our system:
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.p ... B&sid=2142

Tim N3WIR
Silver Spring Maryland

fireradio · Post by **fireradio** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 7:49 pm

I'm right next door to you Tim, in Fairfax.

sglass · Post by **sglass** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 7:52 pm

fireradio wrote:
Ahh, crap. If this happens in my area, my XTS (used strictly for monitoring purposes) will become useless. Guess I better start saving for a crappy digital scanner.....

talk to me in 23 days

mancow · Post by **mancow** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 8:17 pm

So, when this goes that means all the current trunking scanners that aren't flash upgradable will be useless to, right?

mancow

sglass · Post by **sglass** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:07 pm

mancow wrote:So, when this goes that means all the current trunking scanners that aren't flash upgradable will be useless to, right?

mancow

why not?

mancow · Post by **mancow** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:15 pm

They wouldn't think they would be able to follow the new channel format for Motorola trunking. It shouldn't make a difference with edacs unless it's 700 Mhz. ??????

mancow

Radiogeek97 · Post by **Radiogeek97** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:11 am

Anybody in the metro-Boston area know if this will affect the Mass state PD, or Massport? I think the city of cambridge is affected but not sure of the others.

Soo much for my 2 bc-780's if they change over

N4DES · Post by **N4DES** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:34 am

Hoseman292 wrote:
fireradio wrote:
KS4VT wrote:All of the later model radios (i.e.MTS, XTS, MT series, etc.) will have to touched due to the rebanding effort which will require the re-numbering of all of the 806 to 809/851 to 854 channels. The radios will have to be re-flashed with the new channel assignments so they work properly in a trunked environment when assigned a channel.

The LTS and LCS series radios don't have enough memory to accept the reprogramming and will be replaced on NEXTEL's dime according to "M".

Being APCO compliant doesn't have any bearing on it. It's the systems that are currently in the NPSPAC band (821 to 823/866 to 869 channels) that are specificially affected.
Ahh, crap. If this happens in my area, my XTS (used strictly for monitoring purposes) will become useless. Guess I better start saving for a crappy digital scanner.....
Charlie,
This is what I was getting to when I created the thread. My department went digital a little over a year ago with a HUGE system. I'm curious to how they will be affected.

Here is further information on our system:
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.p ... B&sid=2142

Tim N3WIR
Silver Spring Maryland

They are a NPSPAC system and will be relocated to new channel assignments 15 MHz. below where they are right now. It will be affected the same way as my HUGE system.

http://www.radioreference.com/modules.p ... sysid=813A

Mark

Logitec · Post by **Logitec** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:09 pm

KS4VT wrote:All of the later model radios (i.e.MTS, XTS, MT series, etc.) will have to touched due to the rebanding effort which will require the re-numbering of all of the 806 to 809/851 to 854 channels. The radios will have to be re-flashed with the new channel assignments so they work properly in a trunked environment when assigned a channel.

Anyone know if this will apply to radios on 9600 BPS systems? I'm thinking not, because of the way they use a base freq. and calculate the channel from there. And the system sends a Channel Identifier message over the air with the parameters needed (base freq/tx offset, etc.) to tell the radios how to calculate the channels. Also, the typical base freq. for the 800 systems is 851.00625.

Anyone know for sure?

Logitec · Post by **Logitec** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:12 pm

Of course the radios will need new CCs programmed in. I'm just talking about the Host upgrade part.