Hello, I bought a Centracom II and thought it was selfcontained. Duhh It's not. Does anyone have one they are willing to part with cheap or donate it for a tax write off from a our town. I'd be looking for the CEB and and cable associated with it to the console.
Any help would be great.
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JOHN
Centracom II info
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jwb8734
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Centracom II Install/setup Info
Hello,
Does anyone have any manuals for installation/setup of the Centracom II
I was able to make a deal with some people to help me get some of the thing I need. I am looking to hook this up to 3 channels via Landline (remote) to our main radios. If I am correct they are Tone Remote but will find out. Our other channels will be hooked up to hope (GM300) or simular series.
If anyone is willing to Loan athe manual I will copy/scan and sent them back the same day.
Thanks
Does anyone have any manuals for installation/setup of the Centracom II
I was able to make a deal with some people to help me get some of the thing I need. I am looking to hook this up to 3 channels via Landline (remote) to our main radios. If I am correct they are Tone Remote but will find out. Our other channels will be hooked up to hope (GM300) or simular series.
If anyone is willing to Loan athe manual I will copy/scan and sent them back the same day.
Thanks
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440roadrunner
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Your key to getting something like this up and running is to find the system book which explains where everything is on the system, what wires go where - what cards go in the system, and how the console is configured.
You can certainly build your own - but your going to need power supplies, card cages, tone remote (or DC remote - depending on the card) termination kits....
Whole bunch of stuff.
By the time you find it all - you'll need to also be up on a strange Jedi science otherwise known as building a centracom and making it work. It's a very neat system - but from what I understand - all your dominos must be lined up right in order to fall together and work.
It's best if you can to simply uproot a whole system, and plunk it back down somewhere else to make it all do what you want.
Or take the console out of a system where you know how everything is wried and intergrated together.
I'm not saying it can't be done - but i've always known the Centracom's to be a strange animal - however very well built and very interesting to "play" with, should you have one to play with.
-Alex
You can certainly build your own - but your going to need power supplies, card cages, tone remote (or DC remote - depending on the card) termination kits....
Whole bunch of stuff.
By the time you find it all - you'll need to also be up on a strange Jedi science otherwise known as building a centracom and making it work. It's a very neat system - but from what I understand - all your dominos must be lined up right in order to fall together and work.
It's best if you can to simply uproot a whole system, and plunk it back down somewhere else to make it all do what you want.
Or take the console out of a system where you know how everything is wried and intergrated together.
I'm not saying it can't be done - but i've always known the Centracom's to be a strange animal - however very well built and very interesting to "play" with, should you have one to play with.
-Alex
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Ok you're gonna need a lot of information....jwb8734 wrote:Well the console I have no clue about, but the CEB was from a working system. with cards included in it.
The cards that run the base stations are called BIMs or (Base Interface Modules). The cards that run the show in each CEB either OMI's or TOMI's. Each card has a specific address on it that is settable by dip switches.
Depending on how old the OMI / TOMI cards are you can program them with a laptop. OMI cards need the suitcase programmer. TOMI cards, depends on the rev. If it's a Centracom II+ you can only program it not read it. If it's a centracom gold and newer you can read and write it.
There were different flavors of boards available depending on what you need for functions. There are Tone, DC, and Dual RX cards. You also have I/O cards for input (I. E. voter indication) and controlling relays (doors, etc).
Each shelf typically needs its own power supply. When you step up to 2x shelves or more, N+1 power supplies is the order of the day in case one toasts. There is also a bank of batteries in the CEB to keep it running for a little bit if the power hiccups.
There's a very specific 7 pair cable that goes from each op position back to the CEB as well.
All other wiring for interfacing comes off the CEB in 25 pair cables which typically terminate in 66 style telco blocks.
If you want to do MDC1200 decode, you need a specific board for that, as well as the apropriate modules for the op positions. It will NOT show up on the clock display.
If it' s a self contained operator position, odds are it powers from the CEB. If it's the kind that has its own furniture, it probably has a power supply built into the furnature, which also needs 120V.
You'll probably need even more info than this, but it's probably enough to get you started.
Kurt
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"...OMI cards need the suitcase programmer...."
No. The 6809 / OMI based CCII button & LED consoles program with a special firmware kit that installs on a spare OMI. This was sold as the B1610 Field Prom Programmer [FPP].
The FPP consistes of two sets of PROM's: Part 1 firmware BLN6778A and Part 2 firmware BLN6779A. The kit also included an instruction manual 6881070E10 and sold for $1100.00
Additionally, a CCII serial option card is used to support two devices, an ASCII terminal for user interface and a PROM blower which does the actual programming of the operator position personality PROM. Several programmers from Logical Devices and Data I/O are supported.
"... TOMI cards, depends on the rev. If it's a Centracom II+ you can only program it not read it. ..."
No. These models are programmed with an RSS RVN-4029, which can read the TOMI personality PROM either directly from the CEB via a serial card or by removing it and placing it on one of the Logical or Data I/O programmers. The external programmer interfaces to the programming PC through a serial port.
Earlier Series II + consoles used 27128A EPROMs's to hold the personality. Programming these requires the external blower. Newer consoles shipped with EEPROM's for the personality so these can be programmed directly by connecting the programming PC to the CEB with a CCII serial card.
"...If it's a centracom gold and newer you can read and write it. ..."
No. All Gold consoles use the Windows based Console Database Manager [CDM] to program the Console Operator Interface Module [COIM]. Elite operator positions can reprogram the COIM personality automatically by downloading the data from the server through the network.
Gold Classic CRT or Button LED models still use the CDM to create the personality file but use a separate utility program [MUPL] to upload the file from the PC to the COIM. Neither the CDM or the MUPL has any way to download the personality, hence Gold consoles are the ones that cannot be read.
No. The 6809 / OMI based CCII button & LED consoles program with a special firmware kit that installs on a spare OMI. This was sold as the B1610 Field Prom Programmer [FPP].
The FPP consistes of two sets of PROM's: Part 1 firmware BLN6778A and Part 2 firmware BLN6779A. The kit also included an instruction manual 6881070E10 and sold for $1100.00
Additionally, a CCII serial option card is used to support two devices, an ASCII terminal for user interface and a PROM blower which does the actual programming of the operator position personality PROM. Several programmers from Logical Devices and Data I/O are supported.
"... TOMI cards, depends on the rev. If it's a Centracom II+ you can only program it not read it. ..."
No. These models are programmed with an RSS RVN-4029, which can read the TOMI personality PROM either directly from the CEB via a serial card or by removing it and placing it on one of the Logical or Data I/O programmers. The external programmer interfaces to the programming PC through a serial port.
Earlier Series II + consoles used 27128A EPROMs's to hold the personality. Programming these requires the external blower. Newer consoles shipped with EEPROM's for the personality so these can be programmed directly by connecting the programming PC to the CEB with a CCII serial card.
"...If it's a centracom gold and newer you can read and write it. ..."
No. All Gold consoles use the Windows based Console Database Manager [CDM] to program the Console Operator Interface Module [COIM]. Elite operator positions can reprogram the COIM personality automatically by downloading the data from the server through the network.
Gold Classic CRT or Button LED models still use the CDM to create the personality file but use a separate utility program [MUPL] to upload the file from the PC to the COIM. Neither the CDM or the MUPL has any way to download the personality, hence Gold consoles are the ones that cannot be read.
It is a complex product and it is hard to keep all the details straight even if you work on them regularly.
There is a lot of CCII stuff on the used market because Motorola has sold a lot of system upgrades.
As you indicated, there are all sorts of considerations regarding the CEB boards, card cages, power supplies and so on. The chances of hooking an op position form one source to a CEB from somewhere else and winding up with a working system that does what you want ? Not good.
There is a lot of CCII stuff on the used market because Motorola has sold a lot of system upgrades.
As you indicated, there are all sorts of considerations regarding the CEB boards, card cages, power supplies and so on. The chances of hooking an op position form one source to a CEB from somewhere else and winding up with a working system that does what you want ? Not good.
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jwb8734
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OK, I got the console in and it looks like it has some stuff in it.
http://www.djbitz.com/centracom/
I am looking for the installation manual. If someone is willing to loan it for a few days while i can copy it and I will pay for shipping both ways.
http://www.djbitz.com/centracom/
I am looking for the installation manual. If someone is willing to loan it for a few days while i can copy it and I will pay for shipping both ways.