ADP encryption

Post by **batdude** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:14 pm

i'm feeling lazy.

can someone tell me....

ADP is supposed to be "software" encryption... similar to the old VSELP stuff.... you basically enter the "key" in the software.

why you can have HARDWARE ADP encryption?

and

why there is a flash option for "ADP"?

it would seem to me that those two are sorta mutually exclusive.... if you radio is flashed for ADP, you enter the keys in CPS.

if you have hardware ADP... how the hell do you enter the keys? in CPS?

some 'splain this to me.... it's so new the books don't discuss it too well.

doug

nickburns186 · Post by **nickburns186** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:23 pm

The answer to why would be ADP is useful for agencies that need only occasional encryption for passing less than top secret information. Its not secure enough for federal usage. Yes the keys are loaded via the CPS. Hardware encryption keys are loaded via a KVL. Hope this helps...

J

wb4bsd · Post by **wb4bsd** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:12 pm

nickburns186 wrote:The answer to why would be ADP is useful for agencies that need only occasional encryption for passing less than top secret information. Its not secure enough for federal usage. Yes the keys are loaded via the CPS. Hardware encryption keys are loaded via a KVL. Hope this helps...

J

There is no encryption, to my knowledge, that you can put into a commerical subscriber unit that will allow for passage of Top Secret information (as defined by the Dept of Defense).

AES maybe, big MAYBE, but i even doubt that. If your going to pass TS info or even Secret or confidential, you need something specifically designed for it and approved by the National Security Agency.

kj7xe · Post by **kj7xe** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:27 pm

http://www.nsa.gov/ia/industry/crypto_suite_b.cfm

wb4bsd wrote:
nickburns186 wrote:The answer to why would be ADP is useful for agencies that need only occasional encryption for passing less than top secret information. Its not secure enough for federal usage. Yes the keys are loaded via the CPS. Hardware encryption keys are loaded via a KVL. Hope this helps...

J
There is no encryption, to my knowledge, that you can put into a commerical subscriber unit that will allow for passage of Top Secret information (as defined by the Dept of Defense).

AES maybe, big MAYBE, but i even doubt that. If your going to pass TS info or even Secret or confidential, you need something specifically designed for it and approved by the National Security Agency.

nickburns186 · Post by **nickburns186** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:31 pm

Just trying to get my point across......

J

Post by **batdude** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:46 pm

and thank you to everyone for NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION.

there is no two-way encryption that is commonly available that's authorized for passing TS information. (period)

if i can load ADP with a KVL... please explain to me how one gets the KVL flashed for "ADP"...

in other words, i've done the legwork - there is NO FLASH LISTED for the KVL3000+ for ADP.

what i'm getting at here is....

you can have a flashcode that supports ADP. fine.

you enter the keys for ADP in CPS. got it.

why can i order a secure board with ADP in it? how does one load keys into this "hardware" ADP solution?

doug

nickburns186 · Post by **nickburns186** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:45 pm

I'm not aware of ADP on hardware. I have it on a fleet of XTS2500's. No reason to get testy buy I think we all answered your question based on how we translated your english. If you have proof otherwise, please post it.

J

tvsjr · Post by **tvsjr** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:52 pm

SWAG here:

Maybe you can flash the KVL so you can change ADP keys via the CPS and/or the KVL? If you needed to rekey a whole bunch of radios, even if you were using ADP, it would be easier to do the rekey with a dedicated hardware device rather than having to use the CPS.

Kenwood does DES/AES keyfill via FPU and via KVL. It wouldn't surprise me to see Mother offering such flexibility for their simple algo.