100 watt mobile radios

jmr3865 · Post by **jmr3865** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:18 pm

What mobile radio's do over 100 watts?

kb0nly · Post by **kb0nly** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:20 pm

Spectra, X9000, Syntor X, Mitrek, Micor. I'm sure that's not all but i don't have or deal with anything newer.

Will · Post by **Will** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:27 pm

Maratrac and it's cousin, the M400.

jmr3865 · Post by **jmr3865** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:28 pm

anything motorola sells new?

kb0nly · Post by **kb0nly** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:36 pm

Dang.. How could i forget the Maratrac, i used to have some!

New... Hmmm. I don't know about that!

nickburns186 · Post by **nickburns186** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:13 pm

The XTL High Power Series will fit your need such as XTL2500 or XTL5000.

J

jmr3865 · Post by **jmr3865** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:42 pm

thanks, anything else, price is an issue

kb0nly · Post by **kb0nly** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:19 pm

If price is an issue then FORGET about new radios...

jmr3865 · Post by **jmr3865** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:20 pm

it's not that much of an issue. I need a new 100 watt radio, just didnt want all of the features in the world in this radio. All I need is 24 channel and DTMF capability. Would like QCII.

jim · Post by **jim** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:04 pm

Kenwood 90 series.

They will sell you RSS
They don't need firmware upgrades every month
They can do dual head AND dual band.
They won't "brick" if you have an accident while programming them
Their receive is better than anything from "M"
They have superior power input noise filtering

thebigphish · Post by **thebigphish** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:45 pm

...which is precicely why we just purchased 4 dual head / dual deck and some new 180 series radios...

you can expect the dual head / dual deck to run you two grandish...

anyways, back on topic....do you really need to be blowing a hundred watts out the finals???

CTAMontrose · Post by **CTAMontrose** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:50 pm

there is a high power MCS2000.. not sure if its 100w or 110w but really what difference will 10w make at that point??

thebigphish · Post by **thebigphish** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:14 pm

and he said price is an issue...which is prohibitive for the MCS line...

911-EMT · Post by **911-EMT** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:25 pm

FYI The MCS2000 and the MARATRAC has been cancelled and is no longer shipped.

thebigphish · Post by **thebigphish** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:45 pm

i thought the MCS2k was going to stay alive until the end of this year? (atleast the ?model 2??)

tvsjr · Post by **tvsjr** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:14 pm

I'm with Jim... Kenwood TK-x90 series mobiles. If you really want that much power.

jim · Post by **jim** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:53 pm

Does anyone really need 100W unless on lowband?

If on VHF/UHF, a gain antenna may accomplish the same effect as more power.

911-EMT · Post by **911-EMT** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:54 pm

Would the tk-_90 series support QCII?

911-EMT · Post by **911-EMT** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:56 pm

would gain antenna help the TX or RX side of the radio?

jmr3865 · Post by **jmr3865** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:57 pm

what would the price range be on these?

tvsjr · Post by **tvsjr** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:57 pm

jmr3865 wrote:what would the price range be on these?

List for a VHF, 110 watt, enhanced control head, remote mount, 160 channel unit is $1856. Expect dealer to be down in the low $1K range.

The x90s do not support two-tone encode, however.

I'd question whether or not you really need so much power. An increase from 50 to 100 watts means a much bigger deck, 30-35 amp current draw, more heat, etc. You can get the same effect by going from a quarter-wave to a 3dB gain antenna.

The TK-7180HK gives you 50 watts, two-tone encode and decode, 512 channels, remote-mount capability, etc. in a package that will barely break $500.

jmr3865 · Post by **jmr3865** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:26 pm

I do not need remote mount, just 100 or close to it watts. thanks.

tvsjr · Post by **tvsjr** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:34 pm

You don't have much choice. The high-power decks are so big that they're almost always remote mount. Kenwood does make a dash-mount/high-power unit ($1,630.00 list, around $1100 street), but the widget ends up being 7.05"W x 2.36" H x 12.97" D, and 8.36lbs. Ouch.

Can you elaborate on why you feel you need 100 watts?

wa2zdy · Post by **wa2zdy** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:02 am

What on God's earth do you need 100w for? There's nothing in Monmouth county with a license for that except the low band intercounty frequency, 39.460. I have a 100w radio I use on the ham band and I can work mobile to mobile to and from anywhere in the county withOUT a repeater. And you're not a ham, so . . .

Me thinks the lad is shooting a tad high.

Lake Effect · Post by **Lake Effect** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:35 am

[quote]i thought the MCS2k was going to stay alive until the end of this year? (atleast the ?model 2??)

I can't say what the cutoff date is but I just programmed two of them that arrived from M last week.

LE

jmr3865 · Post by **jmr3865** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:43 pm

reconsidered. too much money and work. on to the m1225's!

jmr3865 · Post by **jmr3865** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:49 pm

wa2zdy wrote:What on God's earth do you need 100w for? There's nothing in Monmouth county with a license for that except the low band intercounty frequency, 39.460. I have a 100w radio I use on the ham band and I can work mobile to mobile to and from anywhere in the county withOUT a repeater. And you're not a ham, so . . .

Me thinks the lad is shooting a tad high.

yet, will be taking the test tuesday.

wa2zdy · Post by **wa2zdy** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:22 pm

In that case you should get a ham radio. Much more flexible for you to start off with. Being able to change frequency from the VFO knob will be much better for you, at least at first. And you still don't need 100w.

Good luck with the test. Are you taking it in Middletown?

kb0nly · Post by **kb0nly** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:51 pm

As long as he doesn't need to use it on any commercial frequencies than a ham rig would be fine.

Otherwise get an X9000...

jmr3865 · Post by **jmr3865** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:45 pm

actually the 100w radio was for my first aid squad, but that idea went down the tubes. Yes, middletown.

601 · Post by **601** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:32 pm

Owch, 100 watts is a bit much. I can make contact with Jackson dispatch with my GM300 with a 1/4 wave on the roof from Staten Island with 45 watts of power, unless we're being overpowered by Jersey City EMS on 155.235. It's all in the antenna design, power really isn't much of your friend unless you're up high, am I right?

kb3jkp · Post by **kb3jkp** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:24 pm

911-EMT wrote:would gain antenna help the TX or RX side of the radio?

yes,HOWEVER, different antenna's have different radiation patterns, some of your higher gain antenna's, Yagi's for example, are used on fixed infrastructure, and have VERY high gain, but a VERY narrow radiation pattern. your antenna choice really depends on the terrain(or buildings) you're around. a 1/4 wave is an antenna that (theoretically) radiates effectively in all directions, the more "gain" you have, the smaller the radiation pattern is going to be.

to give you a better idea, THIS LINK might give you a better understanding of how your "signal" leaves the antenna.

wa2zdy · Post by **wa2zdy** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:31 am

jmr3865 wrote:actually the 100w radio was for my first aid squad, but that idea went down the tubes. Yes, middletown.

As I said, there's nothing here in Monmouth County licensed for 100w. Fire 1-8 and EMS 1, 2, and 3 are licensed for 50. And I'm not sure about the ERP - they might be 100 ERP.

Good thing you cancelled that idea.

Yes as a ham rig it's fine, but for 2m it's still overkill. But if you can find the 28-30A you'll need, go for it. I did.

jmr3865 · Post by **jmr3865** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:19 am

va3wxm · Post by **va3wxm** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:03 pm

Effective Radiated Power.

A mathematical combination of RF output, antenna gain, feedline loss, mismatch and (I believe) height above ground.

All else being equal (no feedline loss, no mismatch, etc.) a radio system putting out 50 watts RF into a 3 dB gain antenna is considered to have 100 watts ERP.

Jason · Post by **Jason** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:25 pm

MCS2000 can still be ordered, in VHF 110W and UHF 110W only, with conventional only flash. All the 40 watters and all 800 models are cancelled. I think you are limited to Model II head as well.

I would imagine they will also be cancelled when the new PM1500 is released, as someone spoke of on the board recently.

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