UHF Stubbies - Any Difference?

Victor Xray · Post by **Victor Xray** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:50 pm

[Aside from the inherent fact that a stubby antenna is not a quarterwave and actually has negative gain...]

Is there any difference -- in either RF performance or durability -- between the traditional UHF stubby NAE6522AR

and the Waris UHF stubby PMAE4003?

Post by **akardam** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:00 pm

The first has a SMA type connector, the other is a MX/Saber stud type connector.

Victor Xray · Post by **Victor Xray** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:52 pm

No, you're thinking of the Jedi series. The NAE6522AR definitely does not have an SMA connector. It does have a recessed center bottom (not flat like the Waris) however the whole connector is one piece, not a center conductor with a shield.

Post by **akardam** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:59 pm

Ah, so you're talking old school Saber helical?

Victor Xray · Post by **Victor Xray** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:12 pm

Not having owned a Saber, I can only say "I think so". The NAE6522 is actually a current antenna, listed on MOL under some lower-end models like CP200, P1225, etc.

bellersley · Post by **bellersley** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:15 pm

I've used each style on my HT1250. Although some have said the newer style doesn't work as good, I've never noticed a difference at all.

Rayjk110 · Post by **Rayjk110** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:58 am

As far as I know, the tapered "dildo" waris antennas were really poor preformers.

I think the VHF tapered was discontinued, actually.

FireCpt809 · Post by **FireCpt809** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:13 am

I know I used a stubby on my sabers for about a week. I went back to the whip.

Terry_Glover · Post by **Terry_Glover** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:27 am

I gotta agree. The whip, or longer antenna WILL perform better. The stub antennas are designed and marketed for convenience (they're a little less annoying in the field, they poke you in your side or in your ass a little less deeply) , they work just OK in close range communications only. The stub antenna's functional performance is minimal (IE: rock bottom).

Victor Xray · Post by **Victor Xray** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:26 am

Guys, guys, guys, please see the disclaimer in my very first sentence!

The topic of this thread is NOT if whips perform better than stubbies!

If you have actual experience between the two UHF antenna models listed in my first post, please describe their performance. I appreciate and respect your other comments but they are not helping me. Thanks.

Terry_Glover · Post by **Terry_Glover** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:04 am

Victor Xray wrote:[Aside from the inherent fact that a stubby antenna is not a quarterwave and actually has negative gain...]

Is there any difference -- in either RF performance or durability -- between the traditional UHF stubby and the Waris UHF stubby...

Not much I would imagine... anyway you look at them, stubbies suck performance wise.

Sorry I misunderstood you Sir...

bellersley · Post by **bellersley** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:57 pm

Nobody's debating that stubby antennas are absolute junk, performance wise. The question is which of the two are the best.

As previously stated, I've used both the HT600 style and the Waris "ribbed for her pleasure" style. I've really not noticed enough of a difference to justify replacing. There's one particular location nearby that I use to test antennas and that sort of thing as there's a UHF ham repeater that is right on the verge of impossible to hit. Well, reception on both antennas was pretty much the same, certainly not enough to notice a difference.

It comes down to looks. While I think the HT600 style looks much better on radios like the Saber, HT600, MT1000, GP300 and all that, I personally think the Waris style looks MUCH better on a Waris radio.

That said, I don't use either on my HT1250 anymore. I use the wide-band UHF whip from an HT1000 on it now. Yes I know the HT1250 doesn't have an SMA connector, but the GTX comes with a snazzy adaptor

Victor Xray · Post by **Victor Xray** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:48 pm

Thanks bellersley. How about durability?

I've seen the hard rubber on older helicals crack & fall off; whereas it seems like the Waris antenna is a softer rubber and may not crack.

bellersley · Post by **bellersley** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:01 pm

That I can't really speak to. I've never cracked either the Waris or the Genesis style. However, the Waris style does seem to be a lot more flexible and I would imagine in the long run, you'd be better off with that in terms of durability.

Personally speaking, if I had to pick between the two on a Waris radio, I would go with the "dildo" style as Ray so wonderfully puts it.

olderookie · Post by **olderookie** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:07 pm

I use a stubby on my HT1000 and it works as well asa standard ant

Leadenwah · Post by **Leadenwah** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:22 pm

I believe that the Waris "RIBBED" stubbie is now available from vending machines in selected public conveniences.

Will · Post by **Will** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:21 pm

We ran some lab tests on the Warez stubbies VS the Genesis, GP/HT600/Mt1000, Saber, stubby antennas. Bothe in VHF and UHF ranges.

We found: Very poor bandwidth on the Warez stubby antennas due to the much smaller diameter wire. Resulting in poor VSWR at more of the rated bandwidth. And more loss from the higher RF resistance in the smaller wire.

Wire was wound closer together and overall was much poorer perfomance.

Made in China...

Only advantage is the softer wire and plastic coating bends easier saving the antenna mount on the portable radio from breakage.

Victor Xray · Post by **Victor Xray** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:34 am

Thanks for the info Will

MT2000 man · Post by **MT2000 man** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:57 am

I personally like the Stubby for the Genesis much better. Looks and performance as well.

Terry_Glover · Post by **Terry_Glover** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:41 am

Hot Damn...

I know this board is a mix of young and old, and that's good! I never realized though....

there are so many Boys hanging around here until now...

UHF Stubbies - Any Difference?

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