HT1550•XLS Radio Cancellation

jclendenen158 · Post by **jclendenen158** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:37 pm

Motorola announced today that the HT1550•XLS Pro Series portable is being cancelled.
Last Order Date: May 30, 2009
Last Ship Date: June 30, 2009

Anyone know the reason behind this? Were they not selling enough?

Post by **escomm** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:05 pm

That's what they will say.

The real reason is they want to sell more TRBOs. They don't seem to understand the 1550 had many features no other radio in the family has: Emergency Decode, FPP, >16 channels in a zone etc

Apparently Motorola wants Bendix King to get more business

jclendenen158 · Post by **jclendenen158** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:11 pm

I just got my HT1550 a few weeks ago and I think they are great radios. I don't know why /\/\ would just stop making them like this.

Jim202 · Post by **Jim202** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:51 am

What is so hard to understand the Motorola way of marketing. The more radios they sell,
the more money they think they can make. Problem is that people like yourself have
figured out that the radio they want functionally is no longer being made. Only a cheaper
(less cost to build) radio with more bugs built in is now being sold. Build a radio, keep it
on the market for a period of time and then cut production to force customers to buy
a replacement radio. That's the Motorola way of life.

Why do you think that the competition is picking up speed and starting to support the
customer in what they are looking for in a radio.

With Harris buying out Tyco (MA-COM), I would expect that you will see the pressure
on Motorola cranked up several notches. Motorola has had the attitude that they are
the top dog in market for radios. It has been known for many years that Motorola
made the best radio on the market a number of years ago. You paid for that product.
However today, that is not the case. There is better products out there available at
lower cost than Motorola. The market has changed, the product has changed and
most of the customers have wised up to the sales pressures from Motorola. There are
still a few of the die hard people that think Motorola is still top dog. Even the upper
management at Motorola still think that way. But the stock market tells us a
different story. The Motorola stock is way down and being shunned by most people
as being a very poor investment.

Don't know if you have ever been involved in any system design and engineering
done by Motorola recently. The agencies purchasing equipment had better have
some real good people looking at what is being specified and what Motorola is
going to provide. There is a very fine line between sales hype and actual functionality.
It generally takes a good consultant and or an un biased radio savy engineer to
figure out if what Motorola is going to sell you is going to function like you want it to.

Enough said on the subject. Do your homework on what you need and who can
supply it today. My money is on the bet that you can't spend any more money
on a radio except from Motorola. That doesn't mean you get the best for your
money. My money is also on the fact that you probably will have to update the
firmware in the radio several times to get it to function properly when you
purchase a new Motorola radio.

I like Motorola radios and own a number of them myself. However I will say that
they are of the older versions. Reason being is that back 10 to 20 years ago, you
got a good functioning radio that lasted. You didn't have to fight with it to work.
You could make them do just about everything with simple reprogramming of the
software in the codeplug. Today, you pay extra for just about every feature in
the radio to make it work. Like going into a restaurant and having to order your
meal one piece at a time. Oh, you want a baked potato, that's an extra $3.00
added on. You want corn, add another $2.50 and the rolls come free. It takes
several pages of add on items just to make one of Motorola sales orders contain
all the features to get a normal radio to play on your system. Trunking has a big
list of add on feature items today that was almost a default a number of years
ago. Do you need encryption, better get the options list out again.

Jim

jclendenen158 wrote:I just got my HT1550 a few weeks ago and I think they are great radios. I don't know why /\/\ would just stop making them like this.

MT2000 man · Post by **MT2000 man** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:37 am

I think Jim summed it up generally well.
Motorola puts a radio out for 5-10 years, then give it the ax. They do it to ALL of thier radios, and a few of the radios they discontinued (the Jedi series, Astro saber, etc.) many people were not happy about. But, as was already said, that's the way of Motorola life. I guess the next question is, what's going to replace the 1550, and when will the 750, and 1250 get the ax ?

com501 · Post by **com501** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:37 pm

The LTR functionality of the 1550 is replaced by the MotoTrbo radio.

The FPP is replaced with the XTS FPP.

Motorola has been having trouble sourcing parts for several product lines, as the manufacturers are changing faster than the radio technology. Frequently, a firmware change is only sparked by the fact that some component is no longer produced, and the newer component has to have different firmware written for it.

You want 2slot TDMA and LTR buy a Trbo. You want P25, encryption (AES, DES, ADP) and FPP, buy an XTS.

Or, you could do what I do, have several of each.

Post by **wavetar** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:41 pm

com501 has it right. The cancellation of the HT1550XLS is not a surprise for dealers who've been to the roadshows the last couple of years. Motorola has been having trouble sourcing parts for them, and sales simply weren't of a high enough volume to make it worthwhile to keep it going. They'll do well to hoard enough parts to provide repair support for the next 5 years.

Our dealership sells thousands of radios a year, from BPR40 right up to XTS5000, and in the 7 or 8 years they've been available, we've sold a grand total of TWO HT1550XLS radios. Of those two, one of them we sold for a song to a board member here a few years ago. So yes, it's a cool radio with a ton of really neat features...that apparently very few people (relatively speaking) had a practical use for.

Supply & demand people...the demand wasn't there, so the supply dries up.

MT2000 man · Post by **MT2000 man** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:13 pm

wavetar wrote:com501 has it right. The cancellation of the HT1550XLS is not a surprise for dealers who've been to the roadshows the last couple of years. Motorola has been having trouble sourcing parts for them, and sales simply weren't of a high enough volume to make it worthwhile to keep it going. They'll do well to hoard enough parts to provide repair support for the next 5 years.

Our dealership sells thousands of radios a year, from BPR40 right up to XTS5000, and in the 7 or 8 years they've been available, we've sold a grand total of TWO HT1550XLS radios. Of those two, one of them we sold for a song to a board member here a few years ago. So yes, it's a cool radio with a ton of really neat features...that apparently very few people (relatively speaking) had a practical use for.

Supply & demand people...the demand wasn't there, so the supply dries up.

Agreed. I remember when the 750/1250's came out. The HT1250's were a BIG hit around my neck of the woods. I've NEVER seen an HT1550 in LEO (or any other use for that matter) in my area. Most like I said, went with the HT1250's, or sadly, another brand (Kenwood, etc.). Although I know of several departments that still use the MTS2000 UHF Model I's. Like you said, supply and demand. The HT1550 was never a "hit" product.

com501 · Post by **com501** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:04 pm

My MSS gets radios by the pallet. The only HT1550s that I have ever seen in the shop is the two I own, and the two owned by two other guys that work here.

A great 'Hamsexy' radio, but not what public safety was buying (darn it).

Post by **escomm** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:21 pm

com501 wrote:The LTR functionality of the 1550 is replaced by the MotoTrbo radio.

Unfortunately there are more features in the 1550 than just LTR. PassPort for one, others were listed above. Trbo has crappy audio, as does any radio that runs audio through a DSP. No current Motorola portable below the expert tier can decode emergency MDC calls except the 1550. Trbo has no voice storage. Want to duplicate channel names in Trbo? Sorry, not happening. Calling Trbo a replacement for the 1550 is like saying a Datsun is a replacement for an F350

In reality the problems with the 1550 were twofold, and all 100% Motorola's doing.

First of all, the 1550 has poorer audio quality than the 1250/750 etc. This is because of a defect in the design of the audio circuit. Some may remember the very early versions of the 1250s/750s had this same problem (I do not believe it was corrected until 2001). The 1550 never saw this design flaw corrected. This has been the single biggest drawback to the 1550 in side by side comparisons

Second, Motorola never wanted to sell the 1550. When Motorola wants to sell radios, they run promotions. The 1550 has not had anything cooking in years. Meanwhile the 1250 has had a $70 discount in price for the past 2 months. And as noted, the 1550 has more features on it than you can shake a stick at.... but who knows about them? We see big shops here that say they never sold any.... why not?

Lastly I don't want to hear any BS about Motorola having problems sourcing parts. Motorola doesn't have a problem sourcing parts, they have a problem sourcing parts at their price, on their payment terms, and at their order sizes. For example, vendor doesn't want to accept Motorola's Net 75 payment terms. What gets said? Motorola can't find a source. They found a source, but who in their right mind is going to ship a product and wait 75 days to get paid?

As for Todd's comments about demand, he's probably right, last year Motorola sold a total of about 1000 HT1550s (50 of which were sold through me). Still, that's well over half a million dollars in revenue, from a single product that has had absolutely no engineering attention paid to it in years and by now costs a mere handful of dollars to produce at the material level.

MTS2000des · Post by **MTS2000des** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:18 pm

further proves my point that Motorola really wants to exit the radio business, the same way they got out of the pager and cellular handset business. Like every other once great American company that once was, they will exist as only a name sold to the highest bidder. The writing is on the wall, in bold typeface no less.

The cancellation of the 1550 is yet another mid-tier product out of the portfolio. To say it is a lack of demand is false. Kenwood and Icom both make comparable analog portables that support LTR and Passport, and are roughly the same form factor and are top sellers (2180/3180's) and are less in price. Motorola has just given up, unless it's cheap plastic crap from China (XTN BRS radios) or uber expensive Astro 25 gear, there is nothing in between. And how long will it be until Astro 25 gear is outsourced? Say it won't happen, and you'll be proven wrong. As their stock slides further down the toilet, they will get desperate and sell off whatever small cash cows remaining to keep the lights on. Astro 25 by HYT anyone? It happened with paging, it is happening with cellular sub group...only a matter of time.

Post by **wavetar** » Fri May 01, 2009 7:34 am

MTS2000des wrote: To say it is a lack of demand is false. Kenwood and Icom both make comparable analog portables that support LTR and Passport, and are roughly the same form factor and are top sellers (2180/3180's) and are less in price.

Your last 5 words probably explain why there was a lack of demand for the Motorola product, compared to competitors. If escomm's '1000' quantity is correct for 2008 HT1550XLS sales, and you compare that to 80,000 TRBO units sold in the same time period (a number I've heard at the road shows), then the claim of lack of demand is certainly not false.

MTS2000des wrote: Motorola has just given up, unless it's cheap plastic crap from China (XTN BRS radios) or uber expensive Astro 25 gear, there is nothing in between.

Just portables:

BPR40
CP150
CP200
CP185
DTR550/650
EX560
EX600XLS
HT750
HT750ls
HT1250
HT1250ls+
PR400 - model I, II, and III
PR860
MTX150/450/850/850ls/950/1500/4500/8250/8250ls/9250
MTX1550/4550 (CSA approved)
XPR6300/6350/6500/6550

No, nothing in between indeed.

Post by **escomm** » Fri May 01, 2009 11:00 am

wavetar wrote: Your last 5 words probably explain why there was a lack of demand for the Motorola product, compared to competitors. If escomm's '1000' quantity is correct for 2008 HT1550XLS sales, and you compare that to 80,000 TRBO units sold in the same time period (a number I've heard at the road shows), then the claim of lack of demand is certainly not false.

Comparing to Trbo for the first couple years is a bad comparison. Motorola has practically been giving the Trbos away for free. I don't know if they had it available for Canadian dealers, but US dealers got radios at 50% off NSO for orders placed at the Expo. And they have had more promotions than you can shake a stick at... free radios, free repeaters, trade-ins, per-unit incentives etc

I am sure any radio that sees a 50% reduction in price will fly off the shelves

Post by **wavetar** » Fri May 01, 2009 11:51 am

I'm sure you're right. Either way, 1000 units in a year is small in Motorola terms, and the 1/2 million dollars in revenue probably doesn't even pay for the floor space needed to run the assembly line.

Post by **escomm** » Fri May 01, 2009 12:17 pm

Knowing Motorola, they come off the same line as the HT1250 and family. Motorola does have a way with forced obsolescence, and with the push to market Trbo I am sure the next hammer to drop will fall on the HT1250 (and by virtue the LS+ models as well as the HT750 and brethren)

RFguy · Post by **RFguy** » Fri May 01, 2009 3:04 pm

By far, Motorola has the greatest longevity of products of any manufacturer that I am aware of. Kenwood and Icom come out with a replacement product every 2 years or so, and the old one is discontinued. The Jedi was a 10 yr+ radio, The HT750/1250 is 10 years now.

I just don't buy the comments above that indicate that the Motorola radios are killed after a few years.

Batwings21 · Post by **Batwings21** » Fri May 01, 2009 4:37 pm

Our salesmen have been pushing trbo since it was a poster... they have demoed it to ambulance companies and even fire dept's. Not a single one except business customers (hotels, factories, etc) have liked it. There is no way it could be used as a replacement for the pro series. Now the cp200, pr400 series is another story. They are a cheap radio, but we have several fd's that use them and love them. Plus I believe the pr400 can do ltr too.
The big feature we will miss is the emergency decode. We have a fd that uses them for fireground, and some school buss companies that give one to the pd to decode an emergency on a bus, alot cheaper than adding the option to the pd console.

SD70MAC · Post by **SD70MAC** » Sat May 02, 2009 4:33 am

This sucks,I just got one in March from escomm. He was great to deal with by the way. I wonder how long they will make the FPP battery,this would be a major missing part. Maybe the aftermarket battery people will be able to make them now at a higher mah rating. The other thing that sucks is 2 weeks after I bought it an XTS5000 FPP all up to date was offered to me for $950. Now its gone. A friend of mine says the XTS5000 is also on the block to be canceled because of the cheaper price XTS2500. He says that its getting harder to justify the extra cost to his county that's on 800.

MTS2000des · Post by **MTS2000des** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:33 am

I don't think the XTS2500 is a suitable replacement for the XTS5000. I don't think the 5K is going to disappear anytime soon, it is Ma M's flagship high tier public safety portable.

RFguy · Post by **RFguy** » Sat May 02, 2009 8:49 am

SD70MAC wrote:. A friend of mine says the XTS5000 is also on the block

Just goes to show that you shouldn't listen to everything that your friend says.

MT2000 man · Post by **MT2000 man** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:20 pm

MTS2000des wrote:I don't think the XTS2500 is a suitable replacement for the XTS5000. I don't think the 5K is going to disappear anytime soon, it is Ma M's flagship high tier public safety portable.

Agreed 100%.
WAY TOO MANY agencies are currently buying, or have very recently have bought XTS5000 radios. Motorola canceling the XTS5K now (or anytime soon, like within the year) would be pure stupidity on thier part. I know LAPD is in the process of buying like 10,000 XTS radios to phase out thier Astro Sabers (that or they already have), along with many other LEO agencies. Besides, if they were to discontinue the XTS5K, what radio would replace it? Maybe the upcoming APX7000 ?? Or, better yet maybe they are going to release a product (like the APX) but one for UHF, VHF, etc instead of a multi-band portable to keep the "saber/astro saber" that everyone likes so much going. Ah, wishful thinking I guess, would be nice though !

Post by **wavetar** » Sat May 02, 2009 8:41 pm

RFguy wrote:By far, Motorola has the greatest longevity of products of any manufacturer that I am aware of. Kenwood and Icom come out with a replacement product every 2 years or so, and the old one is discontinued. The Jedi was a 10 yr+ radio, The HT750/1250 is 10 years now.

I just don't buy the comments above that indicate that the Motorola radios are killed after a few years.

This is what I"m getting at. Although 'familiar' with other manufacturers, I'm not positive on what they've offered in the past vs what they currently offer. Is there ANY major manufacturer out there that has a better track record than Motorola as far as what they've offered in the last 20 years as far as time of manufacture & subsequent support beyond EOL (end of life)? I'd be shocked to hear something to the contrary.

MTS2000des · Post by **MTS2000des** » Sat May 02, 2009 10:04 pm

RFguy wrote:By far, Motorola has the greatest longevity of products of any manufacturer that I am aware of. Kenwood and Icom come out with a replacement product every 2 years or so, and the old one is discontinued. The Jedi was a 10 yr+ radio, The HT750/1250 is 10 years now.

I just don't buy the comments above that indicate that the Motorola radios are killed after a few years.

Icom LMR products have around a 5 year life cycle. The IC-F621 was just discontinued last year IIRC, the radio debuted in 2002. That's about how long Motorola says SZ 4 lasts, according to what they told Philly about their 2002 era 800 digital system- oh you're system sucks? Well it's old and no longer supported- buy Astro 25. Spend another 20-50 million you don't have and this will buy you 5 more years.

In the past, yes, Ma M carried a product line as long as they could. They tried to squeeze every last drop out of analog cellular, and as a result, lost out on the US cellular handset market when other foreign companies like Nokia, Ericcson, Samsung and LG were embracing US digital standards at the time (IS-136 and IS-95) pouring out much more advanced digital gear when Ma M was touting the analog Startac. Not to mention, when Motorola did put digital stuff out, it sucked royally (think Talkabout 8167 and other gems).

you cannot compare the life cycle of legacy products like the Genesis and Jedi series long running history to the Motorola of today. Motorola in 1988 was a much different company than they are today. Look at how slim their product portfolio is two-way radio wise compared to 1988, or 1998 for that matter. Kenwood of 1988 (LMR wise) was still in it's infancy. During the 1990's Kenwood became an innovator (the first UHF LTR radios...so mcuh so that Ma M had to respond with the "LS" product line in response), improved quality, and has a top notch network of dealers and service centers. Kenwood still sells parts for their legacy radios. How many TK-250/350's are still in use today? you can still order parts for them and get service on them despite being OOP since the early part of the decade.

Motorola is shortening their product life cycle to match that of their off-shore competitors. Why do you think Motorola would acquire Vertex-Standard? They want to exit the subscriber business, it is clear as daylight. Only a matter of time.

wkr518 · Post by **wkr518** » Fri May 08, 2009 3:03 am

I see other people on here have not sold many 1550XLS.Wish I could say the same.Have a Medical Facility here who bought 250 of them over the last 4 years and just ordered another 10 a week ago.
Also almost finished switching a local FD over to the 1550 from 750 and TK380.
And Motorola wonders why we now also are selling Vertex,HYT these days?

JPOPatents · Post by **JPOPatents** » Fri May 08, 2009 7:56 am

It's an odd marketing approach for mother M. Clearly there is a market for analog radios with FPP capability and signalling options. Look at the competition - not only are there the radios previously discussed, but the Relm RPV7500 which is a 256 channel radio compatible with Motorola signalling for under $300. Programming software is only $25.

Yes, Motorola radios are high quality radios - that's why I have been buying them since 1975 and still buy them today. But, we use to have a saying about Motorola radios... "you might be able to buy better, but you can't buy more expensive". Now there is clearly more competition as a result of technological advances. Those of us who buy Motorola because it is "Motorola" will continue to be customers; but cities, counties and other governmental agencies are looking to cut costs, while retaining features and interoperability, and will look elsewhere - the purchasing agents, system engineers, and other decision makers today are not old school Motorola die hards like some of us.

Motorola should replace the HT1550 with a full featured, cost competitive, analog FPP radio.

RADIOMAN2002 · Post by **RADIOMAN2002** » Tue May 12, 2009 11:12 am

Well that's it for us and Motorola, if they cancel the 1550, I will make sure we never buy another Motorola product again. Finally I get to order some for the LTR system I'm designing and they drop the radio. Won't buy Vertex either because they own it. Guess I'll have to try Kenwood or Icom. That's not going to make the troops very happy. Maybe Motorola should get out of the radio business, they don't seem to have the smarts to stay in it.

com501 · Post by **com501** » Tue May 12, 2009 3:51 pm

Why don't you try buying a newer radio, like the MotoTrbo with LTR? MUCH more flexible than the 1550.

FPP is not something your folks can really use in the field anyway.

Post by **escomm** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:20 pm

com501 wrote:Why don't you try buying a newer radio, like the MotoTrbo with LTR? MUCH more flexible than the 1550.

HT1550 has every feature in conventional that the TRBO does and then some. Unless you are migrating to a TRO system down the road there is no benefit to switching to TRBO. More money for less features

com501 · Post by **com501** » Tue May 12, 2009 6:26 pm

The 160 conventional channels and hard limit on 16 zones is a problem for me.

I use more LTR systems than the 1550 is capable of holding.

One customer we support has a 9 zone requirement in a portable system. Couple that with the additional conventional zones required to support their infrastructure, we ALWAYS had to decide what channels to lose in their programming.

That is why, until the Trbo with LTR was available, I always used Kenwood.

Besides, isn't everyone moving to digital at some point? (well, maybe after our customers discover what PL is.....)

wkr518 · Post by **wkr518** » Wed May 13, 2009 3:52 am

Goodbye HT1550XLS,hello TRBO with LTR board.
Management will be getting TRBO Displays with LTR boards.
If PR400 had a better accessory connector design it could have been decent alternative.
Now, to work on becoming a Kenwood dealer.

Winger2002 · Post by **Winger2002** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:11 am

The 1550 is an enthusiast's radio, or a pretty good test portable for a radio shop, you guys are really gonna stop buying/selling moto because they canceled it? What did you guys do when they canceled the HT1000? That thing sucked compared to today's radios. Time marches on, technology gets better.

FPP, what ordinary radio user needs that? Most users don't even know what band they're in, nevermind if they're narrow band or wide.
Emergency decode, buy a xts2500
LTR, trbo the things work great

So the answer is to cancel the product or jack up the price. Motorola is a business not a charity.

wkr518 · Post by **wkr518** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:59 am

Will never stop buying/selling Moto.As for HT1000,was sad to see it go.Did right by those radios.I still buy and resell refurbed HT1000,some customer insist on them.

MTS2000des · Post by **MTS2000des** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:58 am

Winger2002 wrote:The 1550 is an enthusiast's radio, or a pretty good test portable for a radio shop, you guys are really gonna stop buying/selling moto because they canceled it? What did you guys do when they canceled the HT1000? That thing sucked compared to today's radios. Time marches on, technology gets better.

FPP, what ordinary radio user needs that? Most users don't even know what band they're in, nevermind if they're narrow band or wide.
Emergency decode, buy a xts2500
LTR, trbo the things work great

So the answer is to cancel the product or jack up the price. Motorola is a business not a charity.

The HT1000 was one of the better portables Motorola made, at least the CN and DN revisions were.

If Motorola does not build what customers want to buy at a price point they can afford, someone else will.

That is business, last I checked Motorola's stock was in the crapper.

Kenwood, OTOH, is doing quite well in comparison.

Need I say more?

If you don't take care of your customers, someone else will.

Post by **escomm** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:08 am

Winger2002 wrote:Emergency decode, buy a xts2500

Good call, $2000 extra for a single feature

com501 · Post by **com501** » Wed May 13, 2009 9:17 am

I am pretty sure someone at Motorola knew what their order forecast was, the possible disruptions in the manufacturing supply chain, and the current marketing focus on digital, narrowband only, upgradeable radios before announcing the product cancellation.

It was a business decision. Right or wrong, we are stuck with it. Time to make pancakes if you don't have enough yeast for cake.

com501 · Post by **com501** » Wed May 13, 2009 9:20 am

escomm wrote:
Winger2002 wrote:Emergency decode, buy a xts2500
Good call, $2000 extra for a single feature

Last time I checked, my XTS2500s do P25 and trunking (Astro), something the HT1550 does NOT do. You get a LOT more for that $2k than a single feature.

I am NOT saying that this was a great decision, but darn it, industry moves on. When was the last time you could still buy a 5 year old model of a laptop?

Winger2002 · Post by **Winger2002** » Wed May 13, 2009 10:30 am

MTS2000des wrote: That is business, last I checked Motorola's stock was in the crapper.

Kenwood, OTOH, is doing quite well in comparison.

Need I say more?

If you don't take care of your customers, someone else will.

Where's Kenwood's lame duck cell phone division? I agree motorola needs to pull their head out of somewhere, but I think their realignment of product tiers is a step in the right direction.

Post by **escomm** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:05 am

com501 wrote:
escomm wrote:
Winger2002 wrote:Emergency decode, buy a xts2500
Good call, $2000 extra for a single feature
Last time I checked, my XTS2500s do P25 and trunking (Astro), something the HT1550 does NOT do. You get a LOT more for that $2k than a single feature.

Wow, the HT1550 doesn't do P25 or Astro 25 trunking? Wow, thank you for sharing that with the community. We should sticky that groundbreaking and obviously insider information.

Meanwhile, to put things back in context, there are no portable radios below the Expert tier capable of Emergency decode, unless the product group decides implementing it in a future TRBO release will be worthwhile.

com501 · Post by **com501** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:15 am

I think we have wasted enough time on this topic. The radio holds a tiny part of the market share. Shrug your shoulders at Ma M's logic and move on.

I will refrain from making any sarcastic comments.

To paraphrase someone famous... "This radio's dead, Jim."

Tom in D.C. · Post by **Tom in D.C.** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:50 am

The discussion is now going in circles and as such has no end in sight, therefore it's locked.