XTS5000 PTT BEEP

[Kenneth Jensen]

Hi everybody!
I sometimes see - both on tv and for real that many XTS5000 make a "double beep" when ptt is pushed - I tryed to find it - I found the ptt id sidetone on analog - but that´s not it. I want it on Astro to make the 2 beeps when I push the PTT button. I hope someone can help me - I have a high flash and firmware R12.00.00 - it´s a model 2 vhf version - I only use it simplex.

[Hightower]

Add MDC to your channel and make sure PTT alert short sidetone in checked (turned on), for one beep. In Secure Configuration in the advance tab, check the TX clear alert tones.

That's how I get a double beep. Of course if you go digital secure, then you get no beeps.

[Kenneth Jensen]

I am using it digital p25 - I just found something about "talk permit tone" in the astro settings - is that it?

[immelmen28]

What your hearing is most likely the talk permit tone. Its used on trunking systems to alert the user of a channel grant.

[Kenneth Jensen]

Can it be used on conventional astro - non trunking or repeater?

[immelmen28]

Not in simplex, no. Search for a thread from a year or so ago that experimented with programing the radio to treat a quantar like a VRS which would produce the TPT on a conventional digital repeater. Dont recall the details.

[123]

Not in simplex, no. Search for a thread from a year or so ago that experimented with programing the radio to treat a quantar like a VRS which would produce the TPT on a conventional digital repeater. Dont recall the details.

That is not really 100% correct. You can have the beeps on simplex and through the repeater.

Just check mark "DVRS Operation Enable" in your astro system tab and also check mark "Talk permit tones" and "TA When No DVRS Comms"

When in range of your P25 Conv. repeater it will give you the standard talk permit tones.
When out of range of your P25 conv. repeater it will give you a lower set of talk permit tones {telling you, you are TXing in simplex}


Hope this helps.

[Tom in D.C.]

Putting a PTT tone on your radio that only you can hear is fine. However, if you start putting transmit tones out that are sent with all transmissions you may find your former "friends" coming to your house carrying hatchets because the constant, meaningless tones will drive them all nuts.

[123]

Putting a PTT tone on your radio that only you can hear is fine. However, if you start putting transmit tones out that are sent with all transmissions you may find your former "friends" coming to your house carrying hatchets because the constant, meaningless tones will drive them all nuts.

Just for the record. DVRS talk permit tones are not transmitted over the air. But to directly reply to your statement, Many Police Depts, and other agencies have used MDC, GE Star, Kenwood Fleetsync, DTMF ANI, etc and many of those Depts do not mute the data burst. I do not see anyone dieing as a result of a hatchet attack

[Josh]

Putting a PTT tone on your radio that only you can hear is fine. However, if you start putting transmit tones out that are sent with all transmissions you may find your former "friends" coming to your house carrying hatchets because the constant, meaningless tones will drive them all nuts.

Just for the record. DVRS talk permit tones are not transmitted over the air. But to directly reply to your statement, Many Police Depts, and other agencies have used MDC, GE Star, Kenwood Fleetsync, DTMF ANI, etc and many of those Depts do not mute the data burst. I do not see anyone dieing as a result of a hatchet attack

Yes, but it's annoying as hell to have to listen to on, say the ham band, which is probably what is being referred to here. PD, FD, etc etc etc.... more or less necessary as the IDs, Emergency stuff, etc is more of a necessary evil for accountability, etc. In the ham band it's pretty pointless.

[123]

You guys are very closed minded and have a one way track type of mind frame. This Feature is not "pointless", And who said anything about a ham repeater? Now you are just assuming without any facts...

It makes me wonder why you guys are even reading this posting, if they are so "pointless" then why would you waste your time reading the pointless thread?
And to directly answer to your "Ham" point of view, why even have a XTS 5000 ? The features are pointless for ham. Why not just have a Alinco and be done with it? At least from your point of view they are, because I personally disagree and been talking on ham frequencies for 17 years with high end Motorola radios with MDC1200, & now P25
No one ever complained about the MDC1200 data burst nor came at me with a hatchet Of course the group of people I talk with do not carry crappy ham gear either

But from my point of view the feature refereed to on this thread serves a good purpose.

Purpose 1: When in range of the repeater it gives me a audioable acknowledgment that I am in range of my repeater {Which I may point out is NOT a ham repeater ! Its commercial thank you very much}

Purpose 2 with "TA when no DVRS comms" disabled: When out of range of my repeater my radio will not let me key up {Which is a good feature to have, especially in P25, and you P25 users would understand why as we do not have a sub-audible carrier like on Analog to tell us how well we are receiving the repeater}

Purpose 3 with "TA when no DVRS comms" enabled: When out of range of my repeater, my radio gives me the ability to talk on simplex. Also a great feature if used properly.


I will also repoint out that the DVRS talk permit tones are not heard on the air. So your comments about annoying tones over the air are not a relevant argument here and I do not even know why you commented to assume that it was. BUT, if this feature was heard over the air. It would still be a great feature worth having regardless of the over the air annoyance. At least, for the group that I communicate with.

[Tom in D.C.]

This thread has taken a definite turn toward the nonsensical. I take responsibility for my lightly-meant "hatchet" remark but what needed to be said has been said, so now it's locked.