HTs and Mobiles for Ham Bands

[BrianBr]

What are some good models that only require RSS mods to use 6m, 220, 144 and 440 Ham bands? I'm interested in finding models that are economical. I've been pointed toward Sabers... but everyone I've seen has been VERY expensive!!

So, I guess I'm looking for cheap Motorolas for Ham bands, HTs and mobiles. Thanks.

[radioEd]

Amateur radio is not a cheap hobby, well it is.(depending how you see it)..if you don't stray into the Motorola area! someone steared you towards a Saber. good! get the right one, and you can get 10 zones of 12 channels! 120 channels total! but I'm sorry to say, you might not see any for under (in my area $300-$350 bottom) 73's Ed

[Nextelsucks]

On 2001-11-15 21:33, BrianBr wrote:
What are some good models that only require RSS mods to use 6m, 220, 144 and 440 Ham bands? I'm interested in finding models that are economical. I've been pointed toward Sabers... but everyone I've seen has been VERY expensive!!

So, I guess I'm looking for cheap Motorolas for Ham bands, HTs and mobiles. Thanks.

Well you get what u pay for. If u want a cheap plastic toy, get a Yeasu. If you don't want to spend alot of money and have a brick of a radio that will survive anything short if a nuclear blast, MT1000's can be had for less than 200 dollars (for 8 or 16 channel models) or a little more than that for one with 99 channels. Just be sure you get one in the correct bandsplit (146-174 is the preffered one...these older radios won't stretch down that much) or 438-470 for UHF. If you get a UHF one that was on 450/460 band freq's, you'll have to adjust the rx window for rated sensitivity. But they are great radios, built like a tank, cheap accessories, plenty of parts, and they are VERY serviceable. They are also a breeze to program RSS wise.

You want something newer (and more wideband) go with a GP300/P110. Less durable, but many more features (larger scanlists, built-in signalling, etc). They are also easy to come by.

The next step would be a Jedi (HT1000/MT2000) but these are also more expensive as they are current products. But a VHF will cover 136-174 and UHF comes in two splits, 403-470 and 450-512. I have had no problem using UHF R2 splits in the 440 ham band merely by holding the "shift" key down in RSS. The HT1000 is avaiable in 16 channel varieties, and the MT2000 can be had with up to 255 modes (PAIN TO PROGRAM).

I personally AVOID SABERS. For as old as they are, people want too much for them. Parts are OUTRAGEOUSLY PRICED, and they can be a ROYAL PAIN to program. They won't do the full VHF band without degredation, and I personally think if your gonna spend that kind of bucks, an MT2000 is a better radio. Wider bandsplit, more features (better display) cheaper parts and accessories, and I think they look better anyway.

my 2 cents.

[jim]

Oh, why must we always bash Yaesu (or others)? I've used them for years and they have 100 times the functions as any Motorola radio does in terms of amateur radio use. I own "M" radios and the last thing I do is use them for ham. It's a waste of a radio. Besides, if you are out and need something in the radio that's not there, chances are you don't have a RIB and a laptop with you. With a Yaesu or Icom, you enter in what you need and that's that. How many Motorola HTs will crossband repeat UHF/VHF by pressing 3 keys? My old 530 will.
Most ham HT's today have the SAME MIL-SPEC ratings as any commercial radio available. I lost count of how many times I dropped mine and it works yet.
As for a Saber...persoanlly, I don't know why everyone is in love with these things.I think everone got brainwahed that these are the best radios 'cause LAPD and NYPD used them. I guess that really mean that Vertex (Yaesu) is one of the best??? NYPD ordered something like 35,000 of these. They must smoke crack.
Sabers might have been the "thing" in their day, but come on, really...it's 2001! They are 20 years out of date. You might as well attach a GP300 to a brick with duct tape and hang it in your belt- it would weigh the same! You can get used HT1250s cheaper than Sabers today. I see them on eBay occasionally for $250-$300.

....sorry if I offended you Saber lovers.

my 2 cents (and I get change back)

[Bob]

I have found that when working the ham bands, it's nice to have a radio that displays something more meaningful than just a channel number. For taht reason and that reason alone, I'm a fan of the MT2000 portable and Spectra mobile. The Spectra itself is capable of 128 channels, direct channel entry, (go directly to a channel without having to scroll up or down) and it's generally fairly forgiving in terms of the band limits. Depending on the head you get, it'll have either an 8 or 11 character alpha display or a two character LED display. That will allow you to put in all of your simplex frequencies and label them accordingly. The MT2000 is nice as far as a portable goes. Same basic featureset as the Spectra, but a little smaller and lighter than a Saber. The Radius and Genesis lines (GP300/P110 and HT600/MT1000) are great radios too, but don't have displays and are seldom capable of more than 16 channels.

Just my 2 cents.

[EngineerZ]

There are a lot of nice Motorola radios out there for hams that don't require mods to operate in the ham bands. As a rule of thumb though, if it has an LCD or VF display, it will be much more expensive, many times overpriced IMHO. If you're on a budget (a ham tradition) and want Motorola you may have to forego the fancy display. This really doesn't bother me but others can't get past it. If you want a display go to Icom, Kenwood, and Yeasu; if you want rf and audio performance go to Motorola.

Here are some good options for the ham:

The Maxtrac line are very nice mobiles, especially if you can pick up a clean one with 16-pin accessory port. You'd probably want at least 16 channels, but even the two channel version can be useful. (I have a two-channel Maxtrac 100 I leave on 144.39 MHz for APRS; it works wonderfully...)

If you want the good ol' fashioned high-power Motorola trunk-mount mobile, Maratracs are good. The high band version goes down to 146 MHz by factory default and with the extra 1 MHz leeway the RSS allows, you can get all of the 2-meter FM channels without even having to hack the codeplug! IMHO, This is the high-power trunk-mount to go with if you can't afford a Spectra or Syntor X9000.

Saber Is (even the 136-150.8 MHz)can be found at reasonable (under $200) prices these days, but you are limited to 12 channels. This works for me but may not be enough for others. If you can work within the confines of 6 channels (reprogramming when necessary), the HT600 seems to be the best deal going right now, even if you have to buy a copy of the RSS for $70. (...and let's not start that thread again

I hear the JEDI radios make good ham HTs, especially since it's possible to reprogram some of them via the keypad... I don't have any experience with them though, so I will defer to others on those...

If you want to start hacking on the radio internals, consider looking at some of the older synthesized units like MX300-S, Syntor (original or X), etc. They have their issues (especially when it comes to programming) but they are documented fairly well on the Internet and they can get so cheap you don't worry about blowing one up... Just throw it away and move on to the next one!

As for not having a display to know what channel you're on... When I program a radio I make up a cheat sheet with the laser printer. For mobiles I print it out on a piece of paper and stick it next to the control head. For portables I print it on an Avery sticker and slap it on the back of the radio. (Don't worry, "Goo-Gone" usually gets it off without leaving stuff on the radio...) Given how small you can get laser printers (even ink-jets for that matter) to print legibly, you can usually print the sheets/stickers small enough that they're not that big of a hassle... Again, with my radio budget, I've gone this route because I'd rather have a lot of radios without displays rather than a few with them...

--z

[Jim70563]

On 2001-11-16 13:43, EngineerZ wrote:
Again, with my radio budget, I've gone this route because I'd rather have a lot of radios without displays rather than a few with them...

--z
Amen to that! Could not agree more

[/\/\y 2 cents]

I personally would get an export ht1250 (PRO7150) on VHF 136-174 Mhz. They only cost like $342.00ea brand new in box and come with rapid rate charger, MDC encode AND Decode(called ID) 128 channels, pretty much all the bells and whistles as far as features are concerned (more than a MT2000)for alot less money! What you dont get is the same durability as the MT2000 and an FCC ID # (which means its technically not legal in the states because it didnt get approved by the FCC, whom motorola is paying off anyways.) But its like a Porsche 959, it's emissions are not legal in the states either, but that doesn't make it a bad car. For overall value, I think that would take the cake, you are getting a new portable with more innovative features, same as their newer portables, for half the cost. For the average consumer (NOT business I stress to you)Its a good deal. Just dont go selling them to your local police department!

[Tony Soprano]

That one has been batted around here quite a bit in the past. The PRO7150 and other imports are a good deal, but who's going to program them? The RSS is not available in the US, they don't use the standard CPS. And forget about repairs, no Motorola shop will touch them.

Tony

[/\/\y 2 cents]

Tony, Obviously you've never been to Miami. The land where every Motorola Dealer Sells more of these things than domestic, and they will gladly fix (for 45$ an hour), or program the radio for you. Those spanish techs are very good too. They have people bringing in radios from all over south america, just to be fixed in america. If you want it, I can get it for you. Also, they sell the software No problem. $325.00 for a licesend 3 year subscription. All you have to do is sign the affidavits that it is for export use, so they are no longer responsible.

[1 Adam 12]

I agree. Figure out what you need, how many channels etc, how often would you have to change it etc. If you are traveling all over then a higher end- higher channel radio, MTS/ Saber /MT1000. If you just have to have Motorola, check, they use to sell an Amateur model that looked like a GP68- in both 2 meter and 440. Probably still available, and more importantly front face programmable. Was around 225. As to the other brands, I have seen decent Yaseus and Kenwoods out there, its like icecream... everyone has their flavor. Just remeber this, that is you are working dual-band, you will need to superglue two sabers, MTS or anything else together from Motorola , unless you go backpack and find a Proteus, cause they don't make a dual bander. PS... look at Bendix King/ RACAL for a front face program, w/TA radio.

[Tony Soprano]

Well, you're right, I've never been to Miami, but in the market I serve (midwest) I have tried to deal with the subject with Motorola, and found the best approach was hands-off. And for most people the same applies. But I respect everyone's opinion, whatever works for them is fine.

Tony

[jim]

I forgot all about the GP68! Now that sounds like a good idea for ham use. Another one would be the JT series with the key.

I agree that a Maratrac is a VERY good radio for ham. They are cheap enough and powerful, unlike most mobile ham rigs. These are very good radios for packet/SSTV use.
I've actually been looking for an old Mitrek that will go on 6 meters. I use this band on only one frequency and this would be an ideal unit for me.

[/\/\y 2 cents]

tony, anywhere else in the united states its hard to deal with the service and support oflatin american radios, but in south florida, the sears and roebuck company is using pro3150's (same as US CT250 teal blue color.)Its crazy, its like companies dont even care, they just want the low price. I think its bad for a company, but for an individual its not a bad I dea if your short on cash, just make sure you keep the place down there's name and phone number so you can send it to them to be fixed. They are authorized motorola dealers and export distributors

[radioEd]

Somesay Florida may change its policy " sign
the affidavits that it is for export use, so they are no longer responsible..Tony has a point! Since its also done down here in AZ. But "M" is not just sitting there!
http://www.motorola.com/LMPS/pressrelea ... S9959.html
As you may see by the Link above! Now look at your post ($45. an hour) what if it runs into 2 hours? Scroll all the way up! & lets now hear from BrianBr! How much do you want to spend????? Lets look at "jim's post. another good one would be the JT "with the key." which goes out of my shop for $1075. new! just for the radio...Key is seperate! "M"s price is appx $86. just for the key! (for what a jt1000) part number for key #NTN7841A. Again the first post. amateur radio, the man is in San Diego! We have alot of good posts above! Now BrianBr has to sort this all out! last: Tony has a point on the GP68...what if he is in the midwest mobile & needs service on the radio? comments guys? (lets keep it friendly!!!!) Ed

[N4UMJ]

I have several ICOM's HT's(W32A) and several Saber HT's(Saber I,IE, & III)

Things I miss on the Saber's that are on my ICOM Amateur W32A are:

S-meter, Manual Squelch adjustment, BNC connector for external antenna, backlit keypad,simultaneous Freq. and Channel indicator on LCD, light weight, programming and scanning flexibility without computer aid.

Things I like about the Saber:

Durability, Extremely clear-loud and low distortion receive audio, servicability (modular design),intermod in my Saber is non-existant. If you hang around one repeater and don't do much scanning this may be the radio that is perfect for you. The scan is quite complicated and I am still figuring that out. I found a majority of the features in the Saber are designed for users other than Hams so you may be disappointed here unless you have a need for these.

The Saber has additional costs to be considered if you are going to be programming it yourself(software(RSS),radio interface box (RIB), Sl-o-o-o-o-o-w 386 Computer,radio interface cable.)These additional items add up $$$.$$

These really had me question this whole Motorola deal before I bought. Being a Ham, you will, most likely,not want to rely on a second party for programming since your freqs, tones etc. may change from time to time.

I am still evaluating my decision and so far am happy with the things that the Saber does.

I think each radio has it strong points and I have yet to find it all in one radio. This is similar to that quest for the perfect Scanner radio but that is a entirely different topic!

I am still keeping my W32A to use in conjunction with the Sabers.

Good Luck on your decision,
Eddie N4UMJ

[BrianBr]

Well, I am certainly not looking to replace my Yaesu radios. I started in with the Motorolas for the 902-928 Mhz band, and I've really been impressed with the quality of the radios. In many respects, the Motorola is better for field use. Aside from the technical features, the lack of field accessable bells and whistles is a good thing when all that is needed are a certain set of repeater and simplex frequencies. But, I would say that for my money, for what I am using them for... I would rather spend $500+ on a Kenwood 742 Tri-band mobile. The $100 I spent for a 900 Mhz GTX was *well* worth the money!

[Pj]

Well, this is almost a HAM vs Motorola thing again! Gotta love it.

It comes down to use. Many people would love to get their hands on Motorola gear because local law enforcement, or fire departments use it. Simple, yet powerful radios.

However many people don't do their homework on what they can actually do or not do.

You really cannot compare HAM and Motorola radios without some sort of bias towards one or another. Really two different animals.

NOW, with that out of the way, lets proceed.

If you are just using for HAM use, I would personally stick with an ICOM, Kenwood etc. They are flexible, handy and will do everything that you may need it to do. Programming is easy, and the newer ones are just as durable as commerical radios. One drawback is you can lose one in your shirt pocket with some of the sizes out there.

If you have a real need to TRANSMIT on commerical or public safety bands (IE firefighter or police officer that is a ham, but wants a personal work radio) you NEED a commerical radio, according to the FCC. You cannot legally use a ham radio on any other band.

I bought my ICOM W32A when I got into EMS and HAM, which was about the same time. Yes I modded my HT to work on public safety, but I found that it just didn't perform as well those cool Motorola's. Hence my quest started.

I currently own and use the following:

1 Syntor X9000 Low Band - Coveres 25-54Mhz
1 Syntor X9000 UHF - in a dual radio setup
1 Syntor X9000 VHF - in a dual radio setup
1 ICOM 2800H mobile (with the cool color screen)
1 ICOM W32A HT
1 Astro Saber 3 VHF
1 Astro Saber 3 UHF

I use the mot gear mostly for the FD/PD/EMS, and some HAM use. I mostly use the HAM stuff when I go out of the area and don't feel like reprogramming the radios. That where the HAM gear comes in very handy.

As for buying a Mot radio and using it for HAM, you will want to buy a more current radio. Most of the newer stuff is designed with the wider bandsplits and allows direct programming without having to modify anything. The down side is buying the programming gear, and LEGALLY buying the RSS. But, once thats out of the way, your all good.

[hycheng]

I used a Saber II with R housing in 430-470 split for 70cm ham and GMRS. It works great. I did a search on 70cm repeaters in my local area, pick the best repeaters (long distance, back up power etc) and program the rest in GMRS. I use it for hikings and airsoft games also. Got the military feel.

[/\/\y 2 cents]

hycheng, thats a pimp ass radio. Any saber R radios get respect in my book. I wish they'd carry on the tradition, but I've heard only so-so things about the XTS3500R. How much could I get a Saber II R for UHF 440-470

[jim]

Pimp ass radio???

Word up, home!

[Tony Soprano]

Thanks for the vote Ed, I have that release somewhere in my files. That alone is enough to keep me away from them, I have hundreds of legit HT's on the street anyway.

"Pimp ass radio"? Does Kid Rock know you're stealing his tag lines? Just some friendly ball-breaking, I couldn't resist.

Tony

[/\/\y 2 cents]

Thats pretty much what you could call me...the Kid Rock of the radio industry. Im shakin things up in the world of 2 way in a big way. for shizel my nizzel

[Tony Soprano]

Schizel Nizzel? Hell man I ain't that old and I don't know what it means. I'll have to knock back a few more PBR's in my double-wide and think about it.

I like your style, later pimp daddy.

Tony

[/\/\y 2 cents]

Pabst Blue Ribbon is the shiznit. Thats what YOU mean by PBR's right? Cause thats what I call em'