official batlabs frequencys for all ocasions would be cool

[RESCUE161]

The only problem I see with low band would be when people took their low band HT's to HAM fests with that crazy long antenna...lol On the other hand, you may just get some good deals 'cause the sellers may be afraid that you could easily inflict injury upon them... From a distance too...

j/k
I think any frequency would be great as long as it would have a another one to go with it to use for repeaters as mentioned above.

Scott

[Code3Response]

OK - so a couple of things need to be established:

1) Are we going to do voice radio or IRLP?

2)How do you want to x-fer money?

3)What bands do we want to use?

4)How do we want to keep unauthorixed users out?

5)Who will head the project?

Along with other things. Below are my ideas for these-

1) I say start out with regular radio frequencies. No IRLP, or at least not yet - not everyone is a HAM, and not everyone has broadband.

2) Transferring money should be sent via paypal. If you dont have paypal, you can mail check/money order to a specified address.

3) It seems as if UHF has been most voiced here, followed by VHF. I think if we could get a UHF and VHF Hi freq set up, it would be awesome!

4) I like the idea of MDC-1200. Thatway, alias's can be entered for batlabs USER IDs. If someone not alaised comes up, they can be checked against the sheet.

5) The PC way of this is to have a committe. A couple of board members and moderators/admins. Id be happy to be on the committee, as well as I think Alex should be ( not to put you on the spot Alex )

What do you guys think?

Also, a meeting should be held. I think that a private AIM chat would be best, as most people have AIM. How about this Saturday night at 7:00 pm pacific/10:00pm eastern? Is that too late for anyone on the east coast? You would IM someone who has started the room, and they let you in.

So... ideas, questions, comments?

[Jonathan KC8RYW]

Okay... here are the frequencies we can use that are itenerant. Please note that some of the frequencies in my first list in the previous post are NOT itenerant.

027.4900
035.0400 Base or Mobile Only
043.0400

151.5050
151.5125 11.25 KHz Max Bandwidth
151.6250 (Red Dot)
151.7000 11.25 KHz Max Bandwidth, Max 35W
151.7600 11.25 KHz Max Bandwidth, Max 35W
154.5275 Mobile Only, 11.25 KHz Max Bandwidth
158.4000
158.4075 11.25 KHz Max Bandwidth

451.8000 Base, Mobile or operational fixed. See FCC rules for specifics
451.8125 11.25 KHz Max Bandwidth, see FCC rules for specifics
456.8000 Base, Mobile or operational fixed. See FCC rules for specifics
456.8125 11.25 KHz Max Bandwidth, see FCC rules for specifics
464.5000 Max 35W (Brown Dot)
464.5500 Max 35W (Yellow Dot)
469.5000 Max 35W
469.5500 Max 35W

Here are some sections of Part 90 that might be of intrest:

Sec. 90.138 Applications for itinerant frequencies.

An application for authority to conduct an itinerant operation in
the Industrial/Business Pool must be restricted to use of itinerant
frequencies or other frequencies not designated for permanent use and
need not be accompanied by evidence of frequency coordination. Users
should be aware, however, that no protection is provided from
interference from other itinerant operations.

Sec. 90.179 Shared use of radio stations.

Licensees of radio stations authorized under this rule part may
share the use of their facilities. A station is shared when persons not
licensed for the station control the station for their own purposes
pursuant to the licensee's authorization. Shared use of a radio station
may be either on a non-profit cost shared basis or on a for-profit
private carrier basis. Shared use of an authorized station is subject to
the following conditions and limitations:
(a) Persons may share a radio station only on frequencies for which
they would be eligible for a separate authorization.
(b) The licensee of the shared radio station is responsible for
assuring that the authorized facility is used only by persons and only
for purposes consistent with the requirements of this rule part.
(c) Participants in the sharing arrangement may obtain a license for
their own mobile units (including control points and/or control stations
for control of the shared facility), or they may use mobile stations,
and control stations or control points authorized to the licensee.
(d) If the licensee shares the land station on a non-profit, cost
shared basis to the licensee, this shared use must be pursuant to a
written agreement between the licensee and each participant which sets
out (1) the method of operation, (2) the components of the system which
are covered by the sharing arrangements, (3) the method by which costs
are to be apportioned, and (4) acknowledgement that all shared
transmitter use must be subject to the licensee's control. These
agreements must be kept as part of the station records.
(e) If the land station which is being shared is interconnected with
the public switched telephone network, the provisions of Sec. 90.477 et
seq. apply.
(f) Above 800 MHz, shared use on a for-profit private carrier basis
is permitted only by SMR, Private Carrier Paging, and LMS licensees. See
subparts M, P, and S of this part.
(g) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this section, licensees
authorized to operate radio systems on Public Safety Pool frequencies
designated in Sec. 90.20 may share their facilities with Federal
Government entities on a non-profit, cost-shared basis. Such a sharing
arrangement is subject to the provisions of paragraphs (b), (d), and (e)
of this section. State governments authorized to operate radio systems
under Sec. 90.529 may share the use of their systems (for public safety
services not made commercially available to the public) with any entity
that would be eligible for licensing under Sec. 90.523 and Federal
government entities.
(h) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this section, licensees
authorized to operate radio systems on Industrial/Business Pool
frequencies designated in Sec. 90.35 may share their facilities with
Public Safety Pool entities designated in Sec. 90.20 and with Federal
Government entities on a non-profit, cost-shared basis. Such a sharing
arrangement is subject to the provisions of paragraphs (b), (d), and (e)
of this section.
(i) The provisions of this section do not apply to licensees
authorized to provide commercial mobile radio service under this part,
including licensees authorized to use channels transferred or assigned
pursuant to Sec. 90.621(e)(2).

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(j) On the Interoperability Channels in the 700 MHz Public Safety
Band (See 90.531(b)(1)), hand-held and vehicular units operated by any
licensee holding a license in the 700 MHz Public Safety Band or by any
licensee for any public safety frequency pursuant to part 90 of the
Commission's rules may communicate with or through land stations without
further authorization and without a sharing agreement.

[48 FR 26620, June 9, 1983, as amended at 51 FR 36014, Oct. 8, 1986; , Apr. 13, 1988; 54 FR 4030, Jan. 27, 1989; 54 FR 38681, Sept.
20, 1989; 57 FR 48739, Oct. 28, 1992; 59 FR 59965, Nov. 21, 1994; 60 FR 15252, Mar. 23, 1995; 65 FR 60875, Oct. 13, 2000; 65 FR 66654, Nov. 7,
2000; 66 FR 55, Jan. 2, 2001; 66 FR 10635, Feb. 16, 2001; 66 FR 21287,
Apr. 30, 2001]

Sec. 90.212 Provisions relating to the use of scrambling devices and digital voice modulation.

(a) Analog scrambling techniques may be employed at any station
authorized the use of A3E, F3E, or G3E emission, subject to the
provision of paragraph (d) of this section.
(b) The use of digital scrambling techniques or digital voice
modulation requires the specific authorization of F1E or G1E emission,
and these emissions will only be authorized subject to the provisions of
paragraph (d) of this section.
(c) The transmission of any non-voice information or data under the
authorization of F1E or G1E emission is prohibited. However, stations
authorized the use of F1E or G1E emission may also be authorized F1D,
F2D, G1D or G2D emission for non-voice communication purposes, pursuant
to paragraph (k) of Sec. 90.207.
(d) Station identification shall be transmitted in the unscrambled
analog mode (clear voice) or Morse code in accordance with the
provisions of Sec. 90.425. All digital encoding and digital modulation
shall be disabled during station identification.

[43 FR 54791, Nov. 22, 1978, as amended at 47 FR 15340, Apr. 9, 1982; 49
FR 48711, Dec. 14, 1984]

Sec. 90.247 Mobile repeater stations.

A mobile station authorized to operate on a mobile service frequency
above 25 MHz may be used as a mobile repeater to extend the
communications range of hand-carried units subject to the following:
(a) Mobile repeaters and/or associated hand-carried transmitters may
be assigned separate base/mobile frequencies for this use in addition to
the number of frequencies normally assignable to the licensee.
(b) In the Industrial/Business Pool, on frequencies below 450 MHz,
only low power frequencies (2 watts or less output power) may be
assigned for use by mobile repeaters or by hand-carried transmitters
whose communications are directed to mobile repeaters, when separate
frequencies are assigned for that purpose.
(c) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, hand-
carried transmitters whose communications will be automatically relayed
by mobile stations shall be limited to a maximum output power of 2.5
watts.
(d) In the Industrial/Business Pool, on frequencies designated with
an ``LR'' in the coordinator column of the frequency table in
Sec. 90.35(b)(3), use of mobile repeaters is on a secondary basis to the
stations of any other licensee. Hand carried units used in connection
with mobile repeaters on frequencies designated with an ``LR'' in the
coordinator column of the frequency table in Sec. 90.35(b)(3) may
operate only above 150 MHz and are limited to a maximum output power of
six watts. The frequency and maximum power shall be specified in the
station authorization.
(e) In the Industrial/Business Pool, on frequencies designated with
an ``LR'' in the coordinator column of the frequency table in
Sec. 90.35(b)(3), the output power of a mobile repeater station, when
transmitting as a repeater station on the frequency used for
communication with its associated pack-carried or hand-carried units,
shall not exceed 6 watts except when the same frequency is also used by
the same station for direct communication with vehicular mobile units or
with one or more base stations.
(f) When automatically retransmitting messages originated by or
destined for hand-carried units, each mobile station shall activate the
mobile transmitter only with a continuous coded tone, the absence of
which will de-activate the mobile transmitter. The continuous coded tone
is not required when the mobile unit is equipped with a switch that
activates the automatic mode of the mobile unit and an automatic time-delay device
that de- activates the transmitter after any uninterrupted transmission period in excess of 3 minutes.

Sec. 90.421 Operation of mobile units in vehicles not under the control of the licensee.

Mobile station transmitters may be installed in vehicles operated by
persons other than the licensee as provided in the following paragraphs
when necessary for the licensee to meet his requirements in connection
with the activities for which he is licensed. The number of units so
installed, together with units installed in vehicles operated by the
licensee, must not exceed the number of mobile units authorized to the
licensee. When an insufficient number of units is licensed to cover such
additional units, the license must be modified to add a sufficient
number of mobile units. The licensee is responsible for taking any
necessary precaution to effectively eliminate the possibility of
unauthorized operation of transmitters when not under the control of the
licensee.
(a) Public Safety Pool. (1) Mobile units licensed in the Public
Safety Pool may be installed in any vehicle which in an emergency would
require cooperation and coordination with the licensee, and in any
vehicle used in the performance, under contract, of official activities
of the licensee. This provision does not permit the installation of
radio units in non-emergency vehicles that are not performing
governmental functions under contract but with which the licensee might
wish to communicate.
(2) Additionally, units may be installed in the following:
(i) Vehicles of contractors or other persons having a direct
responsibility for official highway activities;
(ii) Vehicles of forestry cooperators, and persons having a direct
responsibility in the prevention, detection, and suppression of forest
fires; and
(iii) Mobile units licensed under Sec. 90.20(a)(2)(iii) may be
installed in a vehicle or be hand-carried for use by any person with
whom cooperation or coordinations is required for medical services
activities.
(b) Industrial/Business Pool. Mobile units licensed in the
Industrial/Business Pool may be installed in the following:
(1) Vehicles of persons furnishing under contract to the licensee
and for the duration of the contract, a facility or service directly
related to the activities of the licensee;
(2) Vehicles operated by an organization or association comprised of
interconnected electric utilities forming interconnections, power pools,
or groups;
(3) Vehicles of persons furnishing a private emergency road service
to its members pursuant to a contract with the association; and
(4) Vehicles operated by organizations providing, under contract,
facilities or service in connection with railroad operation or
maintenance including pickup, delivery, or transfer between stations of
property shipped, continued in, or destined for shipment by railroad
common carrier. Parties to

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the contract must comply with the provisions of Sec. 90.179.
(c) In addition to the above, frequencies assigned to licensees in
the Private Land Mobile Radio Services may be installed in the
facilities of those who assist the licensee in emergencies and with whom
the licensee must communicate in situations involving imminent safety to
life or property.

[43 FR 54791, Nov. 22, 1978, as amended at 44 FR 50603, Aug. 29, 1979;
47 FR 19539, May 6, 1982; 47 FR 42751, Sept. 29, 1982; 61 FR 6576, Feb.
21, 1996; 62 FR 18933, Apr. 17, 1997]

Sec. 90.431 Unattended operation.

No person is required to be in attendance at a station when
transmitting during normal rendition of service and when either:
(a) Transmitting for telemetering purposes; or,
(b) Retransmitting by self-actuating means a radio signal received
from another radio station or stations.

[fireradio]

Wow, what a response! Count me in for sure. This could be very cool!

[HumHead]

BatChat?? I'm in!!

I'm also more than happy to provide whatever help I can with finances or logistics.

If there is ultimately a move to IRLP or such I may be in a position to host a node or two.

My preferences (in order)
VHF (151 range for the reasons listed previously)
UHF
VHF-Low Lower end of the 42MHz range

I'm actually surprised that it took this group this long to start down this road.

[Cpd014]

That would be cool

[wa2zdy]

Sign me up. Uncle Fundsarelow is usually in town, but I'd get something added to the pot.

I personally can do low band, high band or UHF. But nothing digital. And do we really need that anyway? Keep it simple so the largest majority can play with minimum fuss and investment.

35.040 could be fun - while the sunspots last anyway. This cycle is fading fast . . .

Good luck to all,

[963Expert]

Okay, I'm in!

Suggestions on control issues:

1. Stop posting in public areas.
2. Decide on a money amount for dues, fees, whatever.
3. Set up a pay point.
4. Alex? Set up a web page for info, with individual passwords.
5. Once you fill out your application, then your emailed your password.
6. Just like ham bands, we "self-police" ourselves.

Just my thoughts.

Also, I'd really like to see something in every band. I've got tons of 800 equipment and with Nextel buying up so much of the band, the market is flooded with old 800 equipment. What better for short range than 800?

Kel

[Salem The Cat]

It would be quite amusing for someone to "hack" whatever access
codes that might be put into place, and then post them in a public
forum where it would be accessible to all.

After all, isn't this the same argument being used to traffic in
system key information ? ("oh, I don't want to transmit on the
system, but I have the God given right to listen - DAMN IT !)

Welcome to the world of the sysadmin trying to control access
to THEIR system (that they paid for).

How does it feel ? now that the shoe might be on the other foot.

Us professional sysadmins (who are responsible for these multi
million dollar widea area systems), are now standing by for the
hypocritical whining about restricting access information when it's
your own system, and not the guy on the tower next door.

[JAYMZ]

I'll chip in my $10-$20 for the project.

But I have a suggestion. We have all gotten very complicated at some point in time with this. For now let's try this....

Have Alex or someone with space and web knowledge to set up either a Java chat or even use MIrc again so we can get everyone together to hash out the plans.

For now let's keep it simple and at least get some frequencies set down. As far as Bands are concerned it does seem like just about everyone here is in favor of UHF follow by VHF Hi.....Once in the group why don't we collect and have someone make an Access database of what everyone has in terms of frequencies and wattage what type(Business,amateur,GMRS, whatever) Once we have a list of sorts put together of what will be out there for people to start using immediately and from there we can start looking for ways to link it all up. Also at that point ID's should be set up. If anyone has their own unique MDC ID that they prefer to use or if you want one assigned by whoever heads this project up. My vote on that is to set the repeaters or whatever is being used for MDC decode to unmute on the ID sent. If there is a way to only unmute on an ID in the call list....even better. But that becomes a lot more administrative intensive. I'm not too worried because not many people come to Sullivan County in NY...the only ones that do generally are looking to build a casino and probably have no interest in this topic at all. Sad thing is that I'm in a good location with good coverage throughout the county.....It's nice living on one of the tallest hills in the town....

So let's keep it simple for now...get everyone together in one spot, find out what we have.....and figure out what we'll have for donations and such to start putting together a network of repeaters and such. Ambition is great but you have to start practically before the grande schemes come about. So whenever everyone can decide on a meeting place and time let me know I'll be there. If I can't I'll find a way.....

[Josh]

It would be quite amusing for someone to "hack" whatever access
codes that might be put into place, and then post them in a public
forum where it would be accessible to all.

After all, isn't this the same argument being used to traffic in
system key information ? ("oh, I don't want to transmit on the
system, but I have the God given right to listen - DAMN IT !)

Welcome to the world of the sysadmin trying to control access
to THEIR system (that they paid for).

How does it feel ? now that the shoe might be on the other foot.

Us professional sysadmins (who are responsible for these multi
million dollar widea area systems), are now standing by for the
hypocritical whining about restricting access information when it's
your own system, and not the guy on the tower next door.

It still doesn't bother me any. I guess it'd be considered stealing though but because whatever decided is likely to be an itinerant frequency anyway, who cares?

Then again, there is a difference between ("oh, I don't want to transmit on the
system, but I have the God given right to listen - DAMN IT !)" and transmitting on the system isn't there. Any conventional scanner or radio (which is most of them) can handle that frequency without any special keys anyway.

-Josh

[wa2zdy]

The only problem I see with low band would be when people took their low band HT's to HAM fests with that crazy long antenna...lol On the other hand, you may just get some good deals 'cause the sellers may be afraid that you could easily inflict injury upon them... From a distance too...

LOL Scott - I DO carry a low band HT around hamfests. I have an HT200 (speaking of deadly weapons!) on 29.600 in the 10 meter ham band and I don't even have a wubba ducky for it. I use the 38 in pull out whip. It gets out too! And attracts a lot of interest until they find it's for 10m and the no-code techs can't get on 10. Oh well.

[alex]

Yes, we should have a meeting of sorts online.

I'll start poking around for some decent web based chat client/server setup.

Instant messanger works, but features are platform specific, a Java or web based client isn't.

-Alex

[Jonathan KC8RYW]

I'm all in for talking this over on AIM tonight at 10 PM EST.

Look what I found out... the GM300 is self-quieting on 158.400. Another freq bites the dust.

I think it is important to mention the importance of everyone using Part 90 approved equipment. I know some hams (me included)have radios that will go out of band. Sure, they will work on commercial freqs, but they will not be Part 90 approved. This is important, so we can avoid fines and the wrath of the FCC.

I think the first thing to do is to get some freqs and mobile repeater(s) set up for hamfests (aka: Dayton.) Even if these are simplex cross-banders.

Then, secondly, figure out a nationwide BatBoard radio network. I really don't think this will be able to be licensed as itenerant, since it is more permenant.

[Code3Response]

Ok, so as many people as possible, lets try the AIM thing at 1900 PST, 2200 EST tonight. This will be a little pre-chat, until Alex gets java or something like that setup. a little before 7, everyone IM me at Matthewmints , and Ill invite you in to the chat. After your in, you guys can invite people that you know are from batlabs in! See you guys tonight!

[kc8svs]

I'm definately in! This sounds like a good idea, especially the MDC1200 aspect.

I have absolutely no problem with chipping in money on this, I think it should be about 15-20 bucks a user. Think, seventeen bucks a user, by I'd say about 300 users, that's already $5,100.00. That's just 17 bucks.

People, who were serious abotu it, would buy own equipment, etc. I love this whole idea. Now, the thing is, what about coverage areas? Not everyone lives in a huge city, I'm 50 miles out from Dayton.

I would say a good band would be UHF. The radios are somewhat cheaper, not as hard to find as LowBand, etc. I see a hell of a lot more UHF radios on eBay more than VHF.

I will be following this!!

-Matt

[wa2zdy]

Ok, how will we find each other on AIM? Will there be a chatroom set up? What will the room be named? Batlabs?

Help me out!

I'll try to be there - with the name chrisw5atx

Later

[alex]

Nothing that I'm aware of is cut in stone. I'm talking to Jon about installing a "chat" addon for the board.

When that's working, we'll all be able to chat using the board software... if there is a meeting that takes place, hopefully someone will post where it is.

-Alex

[sglass]

I should have my gmrs repeater back up sometime this month.


Once it is up and I know how it is going to work I can put other stuff up on the tower too.

Drop me an email or a hit me on icq I'll get you the dpl and freq info if you are near me.

[vcaruso]

I missed the 19:00 chat, has this been re-scheduled?

[Josh]

I missed the 19:00 chat, has this been re-scheduled?

I probably won't be able to attend an on-line meeting as it is.

I'd like to, but, I don't know if I'll be around. It'd be nice if it were hosted in a chat-room so that everyone can view all messages being sent, etc. IMing everyone leaves a lot to be desired.

Will someone recap the gist of it in this topic?

-Josh

[alex]

As far as I know there was no meeting...

-Alex

[vcaruso]

Thanks Alex

[Code3Response]

ALex - ya there was. We had one tentatively set up for 1900 PST, 2200 EST - it hasnt happened yet! LOL. Check my last post. The chat room will be Batlabs, an AIM chat room. Please IM MATTHEWMINTS to get in. This wont be a formal meeting, just for some batboarders to come if they can and discuss this and other things. Our official meetings will be through Alex and his services. See you guys later tonight if you can make it!

[RESCUE161]

what the heck is AIM??? i have Yahoo, will that work???

[Tom in D.C.]

Hey, since all, or almost all, of us have amateur licenses, why don't we first set up VHF and UHF channels on the 2M and 70CM bands? We do, after all, have ready access to literally hundreds of channels (more if you count splinters) just lying there unused, such as 144.920 (yes, that's a simplex channel). There's even 220 if we ever need it!

That would allow most of us to communicate with little or no hassle, and for anyone lacking an amateur license there's always MURS, and THEN, if necessary, we could have people using 464.500, 151.625, etc.

Just my thoughts, in view of all the interest this thread has generated.

Tom, W2NJS
...in D.C.

[Josh]

Hey, since all, or almost all, of us have amateur licenses, why don't we first set up VHF and UHF channels on the 2M and 70CM bands? We do, after all, have ready access to literally hundreds of channels (more if you count splinters) just lying there unused, such as 144.920 (yes, that's a simplex channel). There's even 220 if we ever need it!

That would allow most of us to communicate with little or no hassle, and for anyone lacking an amateur license there's always MURS, and THEN, if necessary, we could have people using 464.500, 151.625, etc.

Just my thoughts, in view of all the interest this thread has generated.

Tom, W2NJS
...in D.C.

Yeah, we could, but what'd be the fun in that?

Not everyone has an amateur license and surely not all comms generated with this batlabs frequency would fit in with the 'Amateur Standard' of radio use.- by that, I mean business stuff and not using callsigns, etc.

I like the idea of using one or two freqeuncies country-wide (North America wide) for whatever without also needing everyone else being licensed too, using analog, digital, encryption, data, MDC, you name it as well.

-Josh

[sglass]

so why not one ham and one commercial?

[Cat_Herder]

Grand Idea! (the national batlab frequency...)...Now, here's a wild and wooly idea....VoIp added as well for those that don't have a radio, but do work in the biz...(and have decent bandwidth..) As well as this wild idea that has been proven to be relatively successful....Cross band system nationwide with VoIp access...I know the crossband stuff works...did it in a few countries overseas.... and it does work...esp. with a DTMF keypad and the city access code programmed in you could talk to Code 3 from Washington D.C. just by pressing the correct sequence. Now as regards using the Ham Splinters..that's an excellent idea as well *BUT* if one person was on them and made mention of a technical problem that was work related then the FCC would be rather upset (as the Ham bands are NOT for commercial use...)....
Company I work for has licences for the UHF and 800,900 Mhz bands but all you'd hear on them would be MSK data streams....where do I send in my $$ ? If technical assistance is required for the Northern Va. / Washington D.C. area maybe Tom in DC and I could hook up and provide local support?....

[Jonathan KC8RYW]

Over discussion on AIM, it seemed that the general consensus was for using a simplex UHF itenerant frequency at Dayton, which would be the "primary". We would also have a itenerant VHF frequency, too, though it seemed to be on a more "secondary" nature, just for folks who only have VHF gear. I discussed a simplex cross-band link between the two, so that the VHF folks wouldn't be left out from the UHF folks.

In an IM discussion between myself and Code3Response last evening, we talked about this, and other things. Here is what we talked about:

We decided that PL would be better then DPL or MDC access, since almost *any* radio can do PL.

Now, I'll move onto the simplex cross-band link. I suggested that we find someone on the board who is selling at Dayton, and borrow a small amount of their space for our link. Code3Response suggested using a mast, which has a metal plate on the bottom, that a car runs over, for stability. We discussed mast height. We came up with a height numbers between 20' and 40'. We also discussed the ability to stash the cross-band link inside of the car that is holding the antenna up. That would prevent theft, or other issues. I jokingly said that we could just turn on the car's A/C, if we talk up a storm, and could cool down the radios.

The cross-band link, itself, would consist as a "pseudo-GR300" with a VHF and a UHF radio, both with 25 watts or so. We don't have one, as of now, but I'm sure it won't be hard to buy/borrow the things needed for this.

I mentioned that I would work on licensing. I brought up the fact that we don't really have a business or organization name and address.



Please note that none of this is fixed in stone. This is still "in the air," and can be changed. If anyone has issues, ideas, suggestions, etc, then feel free to post them onto this topic, or email or PM me.

[Code3Response]

I echo what Jon said. You can see the Chat conversation with about 15 bat members at http://www.code3response.com/batlabs.htm . Be sure to check out the last 15 lines or so - KC8 couldnt figure out how to close the window!

[alex]

Quite an amusing log, wish I was avalible to join. I personally think the best quote of that whole thing was:

KC8RYW: I knew I would end up saying something stupid

-Alex

[Jonathan KC8RYW]

Be sure to check out the last 15 lines or so - KC8 couldnt figure out how to close the window!

You got me on that one, Code3Response! It was my first time using AIM, so be nice.


Also, just so everyone knows, nationwide itenerant coordination is only rubber-stamped if it is "Other:CONTINENTAL SOUTH OF LINE A US" or is 5W ERP or less for the above Line "A."
Line A is an imaginary line, that is near the USA/Canada boder.



To read an FCC order, relating to this: http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Wireless/Ord ... 010011.txt

There is good news, though. Above Line A, we can still be licensed, but only for 5W ERP. So, that would at least allow for portables.

So we could have 2 sites on the license... #1: Other:CONTINENTAL SOUTH OF LINE A US" and #2: Other:CONTINENTAL NORTH OF LINE A US" with 5W ERP limits.


Also, I think it would be wise to include some records on the license so people can use APCO-25.

Phase I—Emission designator 8K10F1E (C4FM, compatible four-level frequency modulation) in a 12.5 kHz channel

Phase II—Emission designator of 5K76G1E (CQPSK, compatible quadrature phase shift keying) in a 6.25 kHz channel.

There are some specific iternerant frequencies that are designated as 6.25 KHz. And, there are some that are 11.25 KHz, so the 8K10F1E should be okay.


Also, does anyone know if we could get away with a 20K0F3E modulation on the VHF/UHF in the license? I know the FCC is mandating new licenses on VHF/UHF to be 12.5 KHz, so it worries me that that might actually apply to us. Not all of us (me included) have Part 90 equipment that is 12.5 KHz capable. Still, I'd hate to see the license get rejected, because of this. Any one? Anyone?


I want to get as many frequencies and modulation types licensed for out use. After all, each callsign is only a $100: but there is not limit on how many frequencies and classes of stations there are in that callsign.

Even better, if we can become a 501 non-profit, the licence will only cost $50.00. What a deal.


I'll drop more licensing talk as I dig it up.

[RadShop]

*BUMP*

I realize this topic is old... and I appologize for it. It's just a neat idea that we should push to get rolling again.

I'd be willing to (attempt) to get a mutual benefit style non profit corporation running, and try to get a nationwide frequency license if there was enough push. I read through this whole thread tonight, so I'm not thinking it would be too hard, and it couldn't cost all *that* much to do right. I'm thinking 100$ or so for the non-profit corp. and then whatever licensing fees end up being.

[RadShop]

Edit: Double Post. Oops.

[alex]

This actually comes up in different discussions I have with groups of people who are members of the board.

This continues to point to "a great idea" in the sense there are a lot of people who would be interested in actually doing it, the problem is administration and responsibility.

I do not want to be responsible for someone using a callsign issued in my name 3000 miles away.

The way I would see this panning out: A group of people in a given area can go out and seek a license (probalby one covering each band - why not? ). The first person to do this, posts the frequency set, and the rest of us run out and get licneses in groups for those frequencies. This establishes "reasonable responsibility" for a given area.

I don't think there's any need to establish a company or any other entity that is therefore responsible for national usage - as that can also apply affiliation and/or responsibility beyond the scope that person(s) are willing to take on.

-Alex

[ghgmrs]

Hello there, Any batboard member is welcome on my GMRS repeater while in the Hartford, CT area....

Please call unit 9 and Identify.

462.650 pl 192.8
WQFG755.