Government Surplus Equipment

batwing99 · Post by **batwing99** » Sat Dec 22, 2001 9:33 pm

Does anyone have a contact with the Federal government for surplus equipment,

Thank you

radioEd · Post by **radioEd** » Sun Dec 23, 2001 12:47 am

I have a DOD Surplus Bidders Card...Never got around to using it! What are you after? Or just equipment in general..I may have some websites for you! post it here or send me a pvt. message? I may go to Texas & break in that surplus bidders card after the new year! have a happy!

batwing99 · Post by **batwing99** » Sun Dec 23, 2001 6:36 am

On 2001-12-23 03:47, radioEd wrote:
I have a DOD Surplus Bidders Card...Never got around to using it! What are you after? Or just equipment in general..I may have some websites for you! post it here or send me a pvt. message? I may go to Texas & break in that surplus bidders card after the new year! have a happy!

I work for a Federally funded investigative agency which operates on grant money. I would like to find some surplus equipment for out unit, i.e., Spectras with securenet, Sabers, etc. If I could find another agency with surplus, I could probably arrange them to donate some equipment to ours. I am just not certain who may have some surplus. Hoping someone here may know.

radioEd · Post by **radioEd** » Sun Dec 23, 2001 8:54 am

Well besides dropping a post on the For Sale/Wanted Forum below. Drop an email to Bob Grove (Grove Enterprises) he used to always amaze me (years ago) what he could direct you too! good luck!

Salem The Cat · Post by **Salem The Cat** » Sun Dec 23, 2001 9:23 am

On 2001-12-23 09:36, batwing99 wrote:
On 2001-12-23 03:47, radioEd wrote:
I have a DOD Surplus Bidders Card...Never got around to using it! What are you after? Or just equipment in general..I may have some websites for you! post it here or send me a pvt. message? I may go to Texas & break in that surplus bidders card after the new year! have a happy!
I work for a Federally funded investigative agency which operates on grant money. I would like to find some surplus equipment for out unit, i.e., Spectras with securenet, Sabers, etc. If I could find another agency with surplus, I could probably arrange them to donate some equipment to ours. I am just not certain who may have some surplus. Hoping someone here may know.

"federally funded investigative agency" huh?
Well I'm sure you're aware of the mandated
migration to narrowband by 2005/2007, and how
everyone is scrambling to meet that executive
order (which applies to ALL federal agencies)

As a consequence, all existing analog wide
band equipment will no doubt be making it's
way to the surplus market place eventually.
The type of equipment you're asking for will
be of NO use to you, since it's incompatible
with the narrowband digital mandate in the
federal realm.

State & Local governments deploying legacy
analog wide band commo stand to benefit from
the migration by the feds, and the surplus
analog hardware that you'll see out there
(to a certain extent it's happening already,
the old high power dual band analog/securenet
Spectras are popping up on E-bay).

It's unlikely you'll find IMBE CAI-25 radios
as " government surplus". VSELP - maybe.

Even AM aircraft band operations are slated
to a narrowband (6.25khz) frequency plan.

10-95 · Post by **10-95** » Sun Dec 23, 2001 12:17 pm

As a federal funded agency I'm sure you are already aware that federal agencys can go to the scheduled screenings at federal surplus depots and upon providing the proper I.D. and proof that you are representing a federal agency you can re-asign items your agency needs, when you do that the item or items are withdrawn from bid and the equiptment is re-asigned in the federal asset system to your agency.

That's something a person representing a federal agency should already know.

10-95

Oh yea, stay away from anything with a condition code 'H', it is probably junk.

[ This Message was edited by: 10-95 on 2001-12-23 15:18 ]

GMC · Post by **GMC** » Sun Dec 23, 2001 2:53 pm

Try this

http://www.surplusbid.com/

They have a contract to run internet auctions for military surplus.

Gary

batwing99 · Post by **batwing99** » Sun Dec 23, 2001 4:44 pm

On 2001-12-23 15:17, 10-95 wrote:
As a federal funded agency I'm sure you are already aware that federal agencys can go to the scheduled screenings at federal surplus depots and upon providing the proper I.D. and proof that you are representing a federal agency you can re-asign items your agency needs, when you do that the item or items are withdrawn from bid and the equiptment is re-asigned in the federal asset system to your agency.

That's something a person representing a federal agency should already know.

10-95

Oh yea, stay away from anything with a condition code 'H', it is probably junk.

[ This Message was edited by: 10-95 on 2001-12-23 15:18 ]

Well, that is true, I have heard of the surplus, and getting what you need, but do you know of any surplus auctions with Sabers, or Spectra. Like I said, we're Federally funded, but all our agents are State Sworn, thus not having to comply with all the Federal mandates. Although, because our funding comes from Federal grant money, we may have access to the equipment. Basically we are operating on a shoe string budget, and not much left for equipment. That is why I am posting and looking here. I was hoping someone here would direct me to one of these auctions, and then I'm sure that with I.D they would give us the equipment. After the holidays, I plan on calling all of the agencies, but thought people here might give me good direction, because of hobby.

Thank you for the post.

[ This Message was edited by: batwing99 on 2001-12-23 19:47 ]

[ This Message was edited by: batwing99 on 2001-12-23 19:49 ]

Post by **/\/\y 2 cents** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 2:14 am

in other words...you wanna buy sweet radios for cheap...I know i've sorted through 1000's of government liquidation post on the net...you can call a contact # but the person usually just knows the refrence # and what it says on the paper about the ithem up for bid..if you wanna inspect them its your own airfare...unless you are spending 100's of millions....then i'm sure the US government will comp you the airline ticket. its alot of trouble but if you really know your market you can actually get sme good deals....just dont buy a box of 50 HT440's from the army rangers for $2,000...unless you wanna sell them to a business that just wants to talk simplex and they already know exaclty what kind of radio they are getting (a brick. then you might be able to make a few hundered if the company is used to paying higher prices and just wants something reliable.

Cowthief · Post by **Cowthief** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 8:01 am

Hello.

Aircraft 108MHz to 136MHz is already narrow band, the jump from 360 "channels" to 720 was done several years ago.
Since this is AM, the bandwith of a modulated signal is around 5KHz, thus there is nothing to be gained by going any further.
225MHz to 400MHZ could go narrow band on FM, this is because the less one modulates the signal, the less it occupies in the spectrum,
HOWEVER, the military MUST maintain compatability with with what is out there, this is because of what happend in the gulf several years ago, the miitary shot down a civil jet-liner carrying passengers returning from the holy days, this caused the attack on the PanAm jet that crashed over Lockerbe Scotland.
The US retaliated, the Muslums, the US, the,,,,, September 11, 2001,,,, ALL because of some dumb economic reason, the military felt no need to keep VHF radios, this small error has cost something like 2BILLION in loss, as well as the THOUSANDS of lives lost.
Note: not that long ago, a US ship was to engage an aircraft, they could not contact this aircraft, turns out civil, military found NO working VHF on board, if it was up to me, I would order that ship scuttled, right there, making it MANDATORY that ALL US ships and aircraft have WORKING VHF AM aeroband radio.
121.5 MHz AM, aircraft emergency.

radioEd · Post by **radioEd** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 10:01 am

Not to split-hairs but, didn't I see a memmo several years ago? or a few yrs? that VHF AM Aircraft was extended to 108Mhz.-137Mhz.?
Happy Holidays People!

Salem The Cat · Post by **Salem The Cat** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 12:44 pm

On 2001-12-24 11:01, Cowthief wrote:
Hello.

Aircraft 108MHz to 136MHz is already narrow band, the jump from 360 "channels" to 720 was done several years ago.
Since this is AM, the bandwith of a modulated signal is around 5KHz, thus there is nothing to be gained by going any further.
225MHz to 400MHZ could go narrow band on FM, this is because the less one modulates the signal, the less it occupies in the spectrum,
HOWEVER, the military MUST maintain compatability with with what is out there, this is because of what happend in the gulf several years ago, the miitary shot down a civil jet-liner carrying passengers returning from the holy days, this caused the attack on the PanAm jet that crashed over Lockerbe Scotland.
The US retaliated, the Muslums, the US, the,,,,, September 11, 2001,,,, ALL because of some dumb economic reason, the military felt no need to keep VHF radios, this small error has cost something like 2BILLION in loss, as well as the THOUSANDS of lives lost.
Note: not that long ago, a US ship was to engage an aircraft, they could not contact this aircraft, turns out civil, military found NO working VHF on board, if it was up to me, I would order that ship scuttled, right there, making it MANDATORY that ALL US ships and aircraft have WORKING VHF AM aeroband radio.
121.5 MHz AM, aircraft emergency.

Your "cause and effect" statements are very
dubious and will be ignored. With respect to
aircraft comms, your information is somewhat
inaccurate.

Whom is informing you FAR Part 121 and Part
135 operators are exempt from any kind of a
MEL ? of for that matter a Part 91 operator?

The last time I checked, the MEL for entry
into Class B or Class A airspace mandated
a functional VHF radio (and a working Mode
C transponder). So the issue of emergency
commo on 121.5 / 243 is moot.

What I was addressing earlier is (my error
here), not 6.25 migration, but 8.33 Khz to
be done for flight hardware operating in
North American airspace (and European).

This is to accomodate a variety of upgrades
that will be mandated. Ranging from TAWS,
TCAS Mod 7, ADS-B, etc. Existing GPWS systems
must be replaced by TAWS by 1/2005.

In addition CPDLC technologies will require
more spectrum. Also Congress passed new laws
requiring upgraded ELT's (it does not mandate
a replacement of the 121.5/243 system), but
is intended to make new ones function on 406
Mhz. Why ? to function with SARSAT and the
Russian Glonass constellation.

121.5, 243 mhz will be phased out starting
in 2007. The new ELT will require higher rf
power and a data packet with the aircraft
registration information.

[ This Message was edited by: Salem The Cat on 2001-12-24 16:16 ]

N4UMJ · Post by **N4UMJ** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 5:06 pm

Wow!......"Salem the Cat" said a mouthful there. I work in Avionics for a Major Airline and did not realize there were so many changes abreast. You just get used to seeing the same Avionics on a day in day out basis that you don't realize how many future changes are afoot.

I went to the FAA website and found this link does alot to explain what Salem the Cat was speaking of with all those acronyms. I did run across a mention that "Ultra high frequency (UHF) service will continue for military aircraft using the airspace above FL 240."

http://www.nas-architecture.faa.gov/Doc ... ionics.htm

Sometimes you wonder how far do they need to go with all this Avionics? Will it reach the point one day that the airplane will take off and land without the aid of a pilot as President Bush said in a speech recently?

They already have an aircraft which diagnoses itself in the air and tells the ground crew what part to have on hand to repair it. They have the airlines convinced on this feature.(Thank You Airbus!)

Happy Holidays to All and I hope the year 2002 will be a prosperous one for all the users of the BatLabs Forum!

Eddie
N4UMJ
Matthews, NC

Medic-10 · Post by **Medic-10** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 8:29 pm

http:\www.surplusbid.com is the web site for government surplus

Salem The Cat · Post by **Salem The Cat** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 8:29 pm

Eddie,

I'm just a part time glorified bus driver of
corporate jets and helicopters (among other
things). The result of my career path back
in the late 60's taking me to Southeast
Asia as a "slick" driver. Ah, the good old
days....

Happy 2002 to all!

radioEd · Post by **radioEd** » Mon Dec 24, 2001 10:05 pm

On 2001-12-24 23:29, Salem The Cat wrote:
Eddie,

I'm just a part time glorified bus driver of
corporate jets and helicopters (among other
things). The result of my career path back
in the late 60's taking me to Southeast
Asia as a "slick" driver. Ah, the good old
days....

Happy 2002 to all!

I wonder if you were driven me around Southeast Asia in a UH-1H Huey? Choppers were always droping me off someplace! Happey New Year!