Those Panter88 XTS-2500s??

[Grog]

Years ago I had to use radios that would make me wish I had egay scraps to use


The main thing I can't stand about the 2500s (well besides they are not $100) is the way they look with the hump-backed battery.





I can deal with a humpback woman, but not my radio

[mikegilbert]

That made me laugh...and made my signature

That's my gripe with the 2500; that battery is just too thick. If I end up with another 2500 it will have a waris slim-line on it.

[Grog]

That made me laugh...and made my signature

[Ford]

yes but Motorola's action should be against the company they contract to dispose of said items, not a purchaser acting in good faith. If the item isn't reported stolen, it isn't contraband and Motorola can go FOAD as far as I'm concerned. If they don't want these "second rate" scrap radios on the market, don't sell them to persons who clearly are disposing them as complete product. As Spectragod pointed out, Motorola obviously knows that these units are being resold. They also have the option to not support them and that is their right, but to accuse persons of illegal activity or being parties to illegal activity is pure bat squeeze.

I wouldn't put anything bought off Ebay second hand in a life safety situation, unless it was purchased from an authorized dealer/established business with a warranty. But that's just me. YMMV.

Absolutely. The end consumers shouldn't be the one to suffer, but that's also unfortunately how the legal system is. If you purchase a stolen good, you lose the money you invested in it unless you can recoup from the seller. Maybe the best way to address it is by offering someone the option to buy a new radio at half price, that way the end consumer isn't penalized more than they should be (which really shouldn't be at all). It would probably never happen because of purchasing arrangements most likely, but it's a thought nontheless. I never would use it in a life-threatening situation either, but the way I realistically view it is that most of the radios aren't being modified to work in the amateur band.

[PeterGV]

The main thing I can't stand about the 2500s (well besides they are not $100) is the way they look with the hump-backed battery.

I look at the back of the radio with the battery and wonder "who designed THIS?"

At best, it's a very inelegant design. Homely, even. Make me wish for an XTS-5000 -- Wonder if Panter88 has any in 123ABC1234 :-)

I never would use it in a life-threatening situation either, but the way I realistically view it is that most of the radios aren't being modified to work in the amateur band.

Just FYI: You don't MODIFY these radios to work in the amateur band. You just program the frequencies in. The 2M amateur band is within the bandwidth supported by the radio.

Peter
K1PGV

[Ford]

Just FYI: You don't MODIFY these radios to work in the amateur band. You just program the frequencies in. The 2M amateur band is within the bandwidth supported by the radio.

I consider hex editing modifying. =) If you're being really crazy, you play with the VCO.

I've never really liked the looks of the 2500s, though I think they fit a little better in the hand than the 5000s.

[PeterGV]

I consider hex editing modifying. =) If you're being really crazy, you play with the VCO.

Read and learn: The VHF XTS-2500 covers from 136MHz to 174MHz... Just like any other Astro25 radio (and the XTS-3000, and the Astro Saber).

The amateur 2M band in the United States is from 144.000 to 148.000.

That puts the ham 2M band right in the middle of the designed and supported frequency range of the XTS-2500 (and the Astro Saber, and the XTS-3000, and the XTS-5000).

So, yeah... I'd say a LOT of hams are using these radios on the ham bands. You, quite literally, just program in the frequencies with CPS.

No hex editing necessary. No VFO tricks required. No modding needed.

Peter
K1PGV

[Batwings21]

Frequency range for VHF xts2500 = 136-174
2 Meter Amateur (Ham) Band = 144.000-148.000

[Grog]

Absolutely. The end consumers shouldn't be the one to suffer, but that's also unfortunately how the legal system is. If you purchase a stolen good, you lose the money you invested in it unless you can recoup from the seller.

You know, you keep talking about stolen goods, these radios are not stolen!!!!


Plus, full 136-174 coverage goes back to the Jedi series, and if you believe some ebay sellers, analog sabers too

[W8RW]

but that's also unfortunately how the legal system is

and there isn't a legal system involved here, either, only a company that randomly decides when to apply its own brand of justice

[Ford]

I think people need to relax a bit. You will have to hex edit if you're trying for the low end of the 900 band, and if you're really feeling frisky you'll try to replace the VCO to get it to do the whole band. If you get a Range 1 UHF, you wouldn't have to modify the radio for amateur bands (though some frequencies aren't allowed). If you get a Range 2 UHF, you would have to modify it to get the amateur bands.

If the radios were taken from Motorola, they were still Motorola property. If the radios were taken from the salvage company (rogue employee), they were the property of the salvage company. These are definite cases where the radios are stolen, and are really the most likely of circumstances. If the salvage company as a whole was making an effort to resell them, then there is a breach of contract (and I would be surprised if there wasn't a clause which "licenses" the radios which would default the radios back to Motorola).

I've never accused anyone of stealing anything. What I said was that I would regard anything with an internal serial number to be stolen (until proven otherwise). This isn't that unreasonable. I would feel the same way towards any company, not just Motorola.

[Hightower]

Ford, Panter88 has been selling tons of these type radios 123abc1234 for a long time. Motorola took down one auction on aBay for a different sellers XTS2500, which was 100% legit. That tells me Motorola is active on aBay, looking for illegal products. As far as I know, Motorola has never pulled panter88's radios from eBay as of yet. What does that tell ya?

[n7maq]

Ford, Panter88 has been selling tons of these type radios 123abc1234 for a long time. Motorola took down one auction on aBay for a different sellers XTS2500, which was 100% legit. That tells me Motorola is active on aBay, looking for illegal products. As far as I know, Motorola has never pulled panter88's radios from eBay as of yet. What does that tell ya?

Motorola did at one time go after Panter88. His radios were all pulled from eBay and he told me that had to deal with some issues on his end, but he was found to be doing nothing wrong. None of his 123ABCxxxx radios were not on eBay during this time. This info can directly from Panter88 himself.




Jim

[spectragod]

Wow, you really need to get off the pipe. The radio's are not stolen, that serial # is given to every radio that is in inventory @ the warehouse at M. Are they all stolen?? NO!

Nobody even mentioned the fact of where they came from.... except you. If you have an issue with them, don't buy one, the radio's are legit, they came from M, end of story.

You also obviously don't know a whole lot about these as well, as you are not aware of the bandsplit spread(s).

So..... being as how your new, and don't really have a grasp on these things, how about quit trying to get people on the board jacked up with your posts?

Oh..... welcome to the board.

SG

I think people need to relax a bit. You will have to hex edit if you're trying for the low end of the 900 band, and if you're really feeling frisky you'll try to replace the VCO to get it to do the whole band. If you get a Range 1 UHF, you wouldn't have to modify the radio for amateur bands (though some frequencies aren't allowed). If you get a Range 2 UHF, you would have to modify it to get the amateur bands.

If the radios were taken from Motorola, they were still Motorola property. If the radios were taken from the salvage company (rogue employee), they were the property of the salvage company. These are definite cases where the radios are stolen, and are really the most likely of circumstances. If the salvage company as a whole was making an effort to resell them, then there is a breach of contract (and I would be surprised if there wasn't a clause which "licenses" the radios which would default the radios back to Motorola).

I've never accused anyone of stealing anything. What I said was that I would regard anything with an internal serial number to be stolen (until proven otherwise). This isn't that unreasonable. I would feel the same way towards any company, not just Motorola.

[tvsjr]

I think we've more than covered the ups and downs of Panter88's 123ABC radios.