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Short/stubby VHF antenna question
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:07 am
by sjxts3000
I have an XTS 3000 VHF and I was hoping to find a short or stubby antenna that can Tx/Rx on the 147 MHz range, yet still Rx good on the 151-155 Mhz range (just receive only on that range).
Any ideas on a good antenna that seats firmly on the XTS 3000 body without easily backing off the threads?
Thanks for the help!
Re: Short/stubby VHF antenna question
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:44 am
by resqguy911
Stubby or just shorter than factory? The Visar VHF antenna is widely used on the XTS for this purpose.
http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76284
Re: Short/stubby VHF antenna question
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:05 am
by sjxts3000
Thanks for the info. I actually have an OEM Visar VHF antenna on it already. Though the Visar's bottom end if 150 MHz, it seems to work (for the most part) OK for 147 MHz which is the main ham frequency I'm transmitting on. I was just wondering if there was anything "shorter" than the Visar yet not compromising antenna performance in the 147 to 155 MHz range.
Re: Short/stubby VHF antenna question
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:07 am
by RadioSouth
I'd second the Visar antenna use low split to get your 147. I believe is cut for 136-150.8 and should work just fine for your higher Rx freq's. The only other low profile that Motorola makes is a 151-159 stubby whick you'd be better off not using for Tx past those limits.
Re: Short/stubby VHF antenna question
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:55 pm
by Jim202
sjxts3000 wrote:I have an XTS 3000 VHF and I was hoping to find a short or stubby antenna that can Tx/Rx on the 147 MHz range, yet still Rx good on the 151-155 Mhz range (just receive only on that range).
Any ideas on a good antenna that seats firmly on the XTS 3000 body without easily backing off the threads?
Thanks for the help!
Why does everyone want a stubby antenna? They have real poor performance. I always stuff them in the group with a wet noodle. The only thing they are good for is to please those that don't want to get the antenna hung up on their coat or the seat belt of a vehicle.
There have been a number of studies and real life test done with stubby antennas on just about all the bands you would ever use. The conclusion was they stink on performance. No matter how you look at it, unless your in close to the radio your trying to talk to, that's all your going to accomplish. Try is the key word word here.
Jim
Re: Short/stubby VHF antenna question
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:30 pm
by AEC
I must second Jim on this.
Stubby means short on performance.
I had Visars in highband and UHF, the UHF version was far superior to the VHF version.
Nothing like a compromise whip to make one relish a good whip.
Not to add to the fact that the Visar frame is NOT even an electrical 1/4 wave at 450, let alone an 1/8 wave or worse at ANY VHF frequency.
You limit the radio's range and talk-out when you select poor antennas. Fabricate a collapsible version that is usable in both extended and collapsed configurations.
I use only full length anennas, and have the monster wide band gain antenna on my highband portables. I am always in a fringe zone and need gain, as well as a need and desire to be heard without needing to use high power and shorten my radio's battery life.
Try Centurion or Laird. There is always something available for everybody.
I also wish ALL departments would NEVER allow ANY speaker mics for Fire/med use! Body loading with the damn antenna pressed against the midsection is a POOR method to radiate any signal.
Clip the radio to the lapel, and toss away the speaker/mic.
I have told people hundreds of times WHY they are not heard on direct or repeater, is BECAUSE they have the radio poking into their midsection and the loss is preventing the radio to create a good signal...Absorption by the body mass causes extreme loss as well as a mismatch in transmit due to the body capacitance.