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<center><b><h3>Well, its TRUE !!</center></b></h3>

Motorola will be <b><h3>INCREASING</b></h3> their price for
parts and supplies by a minimum of [ 8 % ]
on ALL PArts & Supplies on/about July 2002.

Instead of these marketing morons trying to make their prices more competitive and fair by lowering the prices of already<b><h3> outrageous prices</b></h3>, they are going to make them even more unfavorable to the independent persons ( and the end user ) who is supporting their products.

I believe this has come about by some flunk out ( New Marketing Exec )that wants to make himself look good to support his annual salary.

<b><h2>We will be left with the after affects for years to come.</b></h2>

I hope persons out there will Write Motorola
and let them know they are making a horrible
mistake !!

<b><h3>If you plan to do nothing, you will have to live with the results.</b></h3>

Monty

And don't forget that the for dealers, Premier Purchasing goals have gone up as well, in some cases, in excess of 100%.

Galvin's version of supply and demand, I guess.

Do they think they'll make up for lost revenues by cranking up the price on what little they ARE selling?

You'd THINK that with about 50,000 layoffs in the past two years or so, they'd get the idea that something's already wrong with their pricing policies, to start.

I've just about given up. The Motorola that made cool products I love to play with is pretty much history. Watching them do business these days is nearly as entertaining but significantly more tragic than watching a monkey forking a football. I don't have any desire to pick up any of their new products because I'm pretty sure they're going to suck. The people that designed the great products and made the company a pleasure to do business with mostly all left in the past few years or they've been stuffed into the basement.

Elroy

Lets get those "guys" out of the room in the basement & start a radio co. called
Scortum-ola........

Sorry I could not resist.

That's just great. Cut the pagers. Cut the Radius. Cut the MT/HT1000. Cut 50,000 jobs.
Build things like the....HT/CDM, Mintitor III, M1225, XTS3000/3500- all junk.

They are doing nothing but pissing everyone off to the point that I already applied to become an ICOM dealer. Nobody is happy with this scrap they are building. Increase the prices again? What in the hell are they thinking? The HT750 is close to $100 more now than when it came out! As I keep saying, they are soon to become "2nd" best...if not there already.

We're an ICOM dealer now too, although they really don't move much since all of our customers are still Motorola all the way. It's gonna be hard to argue Motorola's case, it's all too obvious that the bottom line is far more important than a good product.

What do you guys think of ICOM (land mobile, not ham) radios?

Tony

Nobody has commented yet on the depot flat rate prices. Wasn't the rate for an XTS or Astro Saber $275.00? The 4th quarter mailing now lists them at $330.00. That is a 20% increase. Ouch!!!

Now don't overlook the price reductions on exchange boards! You can get an XTS RF board exchange for only $305.00??? Wow, if you can diagnose the problem, take the radio apart, replace the board, put it all back together, align and test the radio, etc. in less time than it takes to pack the thing up for UPS to take it to the depot, you could make a whole 25 bucks!!

Maybe Tyco/MACOM/Commnet/E/GE will force Motorola to get competitive but as of right now it doesn't look like they are too worried!

Have you looked at the accessory prices for Kenwood?
A standard palm mic for a Kenwood mobile is 50% more than a Motorola.
When you compare to other brands, the pricing is generally in line.

From our point of view, Icom, Kenwood and Vertex are all making tremendous strides in offering mid-tier ($500 - $900?) radios that are every bit as durable, feature laden and have the same performance specifications as comparable new Motorola units at lower prices. (A bit sad for the diehards out there.) We do not deal with the upper tier equipment and systems, although I believe the Saber will arguably go into radio history as one of the best portables ever manufactured. (OK Elroy, as THE best . . .)

Unless our customers are either insistent on Motorola, or are adding to an existing fleet and want to maintain common accessories, we're now first recommending the other brands.

Hey all, quick question for ya, if Motorola is declining so much, what do you all think will be the "next best" compared to Motorola (If they ever do get "beaten" Which I think they eventually will the way the company is handling itself right now)

Any thoughts?

Couldn't agree more, apparently their days of making teriffic bulletproof equipment is a thing of the past. Kenwood/Vertex/Icom all
looking a lot better now. No BS about programming software like M and my biggest issue with M is how they exported items made here and charged less in export markets than what they charged us here. Also- no software
issues in other areas of the globe. Just charging the US more more and breaking chops on top of it with there agreements and conditions.

Hey everyone, don't forget how Motorola is selling out the 800 SMR dealers with Nextel...and while they're at it they're putting the lives of public safety users in danger with the interference causing Nextel transmitters floating around.

i guess ill go back to my reliable MPA's from GE, at least i scan more than 8 channels and get all the features i need

I've been dealilng with Vertex for almost three years now and have no problems. In the last year, they really came a long way. Rumor has it that they are going to bring out a new dual band HT that's slightly bigger than the VX-10. I recently purchased the software package that does ALL portables- no license agreement to sign and it cost only $54.00 for the whole software collection! The old DOS based software works on a modern computer, too. Recently, I was programming a Vertex portable and accidentally unplugged the programming cable. OH SHOOT! No worry- the radio just reverts back to it's original programming and doesn't turn into a brick like a Motorola.
If anyone's seen the neww ICOM HT, it leaves the HT1250 in the dust with one exception- it needs MDC-1200. One call to Midian will solve that.

If any of the "three" takes over the #1 position, I think it will be ICOM.

i still like the MPA's there sturdy and can take a beating.

and im getting a ht1250 and from what i can tell it looks sweet

I start wondering why should I fight each day, trying to sell Motorola. The new GM360 sells here for ~$630 while Icom IC-F410 is about $410. Icom has a very broad product range, is cheaper, and I will earn some extra money from the service. In the past years the only servicing I've done to Mots was just to replace antennas, ant feeds and pwr cables. Also note that: If I want to go 'by the book', when a new Mot model comes, I must sell about 6 radios just to get back the money I spent for RSS and programming cables.
I think that Mot will go the IBM way: after being an industry leader, will stay a big name ,but, nobody will want to deal with...

Hello.

Remember motorola car radios?,
Moorola generator/alternators?
Motorola TV sets?
Motorola now bulds its cell phones in brazil.
?!

I've used Standard radios (GX5800t's) which support both LTR (yuck!) and Mot Type I trunking (awesome 'com port' features, discriminator tap, AF input, computer controlled channel selection, password capable RSS, etc).

Everytime I need to tinker with my radio I call up the Vertex/Standard tech support which gives me just about any information I need either over the phone or fax. In fact, when I needed the RSS, I called 'em up, told them who I was and it was emailed an hour later.

Motorola is a very different company now. Like all big semiconductor house, they bet their farm on the Internet and wireless cellular business and pretty much get rid of business they don't consider as their core. They even spin off most of their semiconductor business. I am surprise they even do radio at all.

I've been wondering lately how long it's going to be before Land Mobile gets spun out of Motorola. It seems Rotormola as a company has lost their vision in the past few years. Upper management is too concerned about how stock analysts feel they are doing compared to Nokia and they've been busy window dressing while ignoring the quality and feature set of the actual product. For the last couple of years Motorola Land Mobile has been riding on their reputation from days past, but it's evident their position as the premier land mobile radio manufacturer has all but eroded away. Don't get me wrong, they are not out of the race yet, but if things don't turn around soon, someone might just eat their lunch while they are not looking...

--z