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Positive Ground Systems

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:01 am
by phoyer
I'm working on a Fire Truck, a rather old one, that has a positive ground system. We are trying to install lights sirens and radio. We have an old Q-siren from Federal Signal a CDM-750 radio and a huge LED light package to install. I can't seem to find a converter that can handle even the amperage involved in the light system alone. Can anybody help me out here?

Positive Ground

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:41 am
by KB2ZTX
Well ... you might have a battle with this one. Most lights and stuff will work either way, but the radio might be tricky. We use junk astron convertors for radios, but then have to also isolatethe antenna. We've never had good luck with this.

On a couple of vehicles we actually switched the whole truckt to neg ground...a mess...

jas

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:23 am
by phoyer
Yea I'm trying to see what it's going to take to switch the truck. I'm not sure it's a viable option yet.

Re: Positive Ground Systems

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:03 pm
by spareparts
phoyer wrote:I'm working on a Fire Truck, a rather old one, that has a positive ground system. We are trying to install lights sirens and radio. We have an old Q-siren from Federal Signal a CDM-750 radio and a huge LED light package to install. I can't seem to find a converter that can handle even the amperage involved in the light system alone. Can anybody help me out here?
Newmar makes several isolated convertors. An isolated convertor eliminates the radio antenna ground issue. However, the biggest I've seen is 40 amps output @ 13.8 VDC. That would easily take care of the CDM and any reasonable LED package you could install.

However, There's little chance you will find a convertor for the Q. Best bet is bite the bullet, and rewire the truck for 12 volt negative ground.

What make is the truck? The worst thing in a conversion is usually the starter, followed by the ignition system.

Martin

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:05 pm
by MassFD
Did you try the Q on Pos ground, I do not think it cares as it has wound field coils. The only differance should be how the solinoid and switch are wired.

If it was a later permenent magnet field motor it would run backward but no damage would be done, give it a try.

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:03 pm
by Tech225
MassFD wrote:Did you try the Q on Pos ground, I do not think it cares as it has wound field coils. The only differance should be how the solinoid and switch are wired.

If it was a later permenent magnet field motor it would run backward but no damage would be done, give it a try.
If you were to run a Q backwards, wouldn't it just suck in everything in the universe like a black hole?

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:04 am
by joe1234
Sell the truck and run while you can........................................

Thanks

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:25 pm
by phoyer
Thanks for the info folks. It is an FWD fire truck. We think we have found someone to convert the truck so that's probably what we'll do.

Fed Q

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:01 pm
by Mike in CT
Yep, In the great cosmic scheme of things, if you run a Federal Q backwards, it takes in ALL the sound of the universe, and sends it down the wires into nothingness.

So you wont hear a thing coming out of it, and slowly, but surely, all the sounds around you will go away. neat!


faaaaaaar out sireeeeeen, the Q...

time for my meds...

Mike in CT
KM1R