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systems saber program need help
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:41 pm
by bule
Hello all
I have a SYSTEMS SABER I VHF(H43YUN5170CN) and trying to program with SYSSTEMS SABER RSS VER:r04.00.02.The radio version is con 6.Tx and Rx is ok in 146~162,but can't work in 136~150. When I push the PTT it warned,then I tryed RSS ,R03.00.2 (to lab use),the program can't read radio codeplug, but always display "Serial Bus Communication Error. Could not acquire busy line.Turn RADIO OFF THE ON ,to try again".
My programming cable is ok,and my pc is mmx166.
Who can help me?
Any help is much appreciated!
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:43 pm
by sglass
you need to run lab on a 286 or 386
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:28 pm
by williamh
computer is too fast . sglass is correct , 386 computer max
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:42 pm
by bule
sglass wrote:you need to run lab on a 286 or 386
oh ,my god.Find P4 PC is easy in my city, find a 286 or 386 is difficulty.
I used Slowdown.com with my pc.This's nullification?
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:14 am
by DJP126
I have a SYSTEMS SABER I VHF(H43YUN5170CN) and trying to program with SYSSTEMS SABER RSS VER:r04.00.02.The radio version is con 6.Tx and Rx is ok in 146~162,but can't work in 136~150. When I push the PTT it warned,
The different ranges require different modules (VCO, PA, RCVR Amp, etc) in the radio. That's why you got the "out of lock" beep.
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:04 pm
by bule
THANKS sglass ，williamh and DJP126
I find IBM 386PC with my friend's carprot.
The parts I have are:
NLD8210B Hybrid IC Synth146~174,
NLD8773A VHF Hi Pwr PA 146~174, and
NLD8180A Hybrid Receiver F/E 136~178
maybe the sys saber only 146~174
How can I do ?
Best Regards
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:22 pm
by sglass
just use the lab to program it
it wil do 2 meters just fine
I never tried below 144.69 though
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:06 am
by bule
Thanks for your help sglass.
Can you tell me the LAB's version ？
MY LAB‘S version IS R03.00.2.The VCO is 146~174,it's working fine with 136~150?
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:19 am
by GlennD
I have lots of 136 Mhz module sets that I have pulled out of working radios. They came out of gov surplus saber 1's that I salvaged the main boards. They are useless to me since they do not cover our frequencies.If you want a set you can have them for the shipping. PM me.
Re: systems saber program need help
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:21 pm
by oh2glg
bule wrote:I tryed RSS ,R03.00.2 (to lab use),the program can't read radio codeplug, but always display "Serial Bus Communication Error. Could not acquire busy line.Turn RADIO OFF THE ON ,to try again".
My programming cable is ok,and my pc is mmx166.
I had same problem as well. I figured that this must be something what others have seen before. I browsed archives until I found one possible reason:
kb0nly wrote:On sun, Nov 7 2004 kb0nly wrote:
Check your cable between the computer and the RIB. I just went through this grief on my HT600's and it was the serial cable. I bought a plain old 9pin to 25pin serial modem cable and it ended up not having a wire from pin9 to pin22 which is the busy in line.
Well, this was a bullseye-class tip. I found that the straight D9-D25 serial cable which is between PC and RIB, did not have any connection between D9 pin 9 to D25 pin 22. This cheap Chinese cable was bought from computer store.
I learned one thing: To make sure all your cables are correct (especially when working with Motorola) you really should make all cables by yourself - unless you have bought original Motorola cables
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:20 pm
by bule
System Saber Programming Error
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:47 pm
by RFI-EMI-GUY
bule
Some time ago you posted a problem with System Saber: RSS:
RSS: ERROR: Could Not Acquire Busy Line, turn radio off then on to try again.
I am having same problem, I have two UHF radios with CON 6 and am using R03.00.2 version which is supposedly a "lab" versiojn.
I think my hardware is OK as I can read and write a SABER with versions 4 and 7. The computer is a genuine IBM 486slc 25/50 MHz. Not sure if its running 25 or 50 MHz, but this system has been bulletproof on SABER, STX, MARATRAC and SPECTRA. I am using DOS 6.22.
I have tried a different RIB box with same results, when I tst the serial port it is sucessful and shows the radios as having CON 6. Could it be that this 1992 software is too old to read these 1995 vintage radios? I have no other System Saber software to try so I am stumped.
How did you work it out?
Joe
Re: System Saber Programming Error
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:51 pm
by AEC
RFI-EMI-GUY wrote:bule
Some time ago you posted a problem with System Saber: RSS:
RSS: ERROR: Could Not Acquire Busy Line, turn radio off then on to try again.
I am having same problem, I have two UHF radios with CON 6 and am using R03.00.2 version which is supposedly a "lab" versiojn.
I think my hardware is OK as I can read and write a SABER with versions 4 and 7. The computer is a genuine IBM 486slc 25/50 MHz. Not sure if its running 25 or 50 MHz, but this system has been bulletproof on SABER, STX, MARATRAC and SPECTRA. I am using DOS 6.22.
I have tried a different RIB box with same results, when I tst the serial port it is sucessful and shows the radios as having CON 6. Could it be that this 1992 software is too old to read these 1995 vintage radios? I have no other System Saber software to try so I am stumped.
How did you work it out?
Joe
Joe:
Your version 'may' be incorrect as the radio may have also been read and programmed with Ver. 4.02.
Caching in the CPU has caused grief for me as well when programming these, not to mention they need to be programmed on a slow machine, and usually below 40 Mhz.
My DX4, 486 runs at 100 Mhz and will not, under any circumstance, program Systems Sabers, even though DOS is the ONLY system on the machine.
If I run it on my 360CSE which runs at 33 Mhz, then NO troubles whatsoever.
The NLD8180A will cover the entire VHF band split as it is designed to do so, aside from the 5-Pole filter that is attatched to it underneath, and via two bronze clips; once removed, there will be a red rubber isolation pad and once you lift that off, you'll see the numbers: NFD6091 OR the NFD6092 which covers 136-150.8 and 146-174 Mhz. respectively.
Systems Sabers are finicky and will puke faster then standard Sabers due to the trunking capabilities as well as signalling and more, it's far easier to brick a systems model than a standard Saber, there's just more to go wrong with programming a systems model.
