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Need help tying remote to Syntor Consolette

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:28 pm
by Equinox
I need to control a Syntor consolette that was a hand-me-down from US Customs and have no manual for this particular model. Model# is L63KX871?AMSP09 (as good as I could read it- some numbers were scratched/smudged). It has two boards underneath the RF pack. The bottom board is # 84D80177P02 T1. Top board (attached to bottom of RF pack) is # 84D80056R01 P1. I assume one of these is a tone or DC board. The unit has a single 10-contact terminal strip (TB1) as well as a DB25 port (TB2).

Here's the thing. They have their 911 recorder tied to TB1- TX to 1&2, and RX to 4&5. Along with two wires on 7&8, going to a transformer inside the unit, there were no other internal leads connected to TB1. Normally I would assume 1&2, 4&5 would be the contacts for 4 wire control. Problem is, when poking around I measured DC voltage on the + side of both pairs, and being highly paranoid about other people's expensive equipment, I didn't want to simply tie in to those same points. Help?

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:58 pm
by Dan562
L Syntor Consolette
6 75 Watts Output
3 162 MHz ~ 174 MHZ Possibly 166 MHz ~ 171 MHz
K
X DVP or DES
B
7 Programmable Tone PL or Digital PL
1
0
7 ?? Maybe should indicate a "6" for Tone Remote Control
A First Version Station
M Standard Accessories Shipped With Station
This next designator is very important

S SPECIALTY PRODUCTS - "CUSTOM MODIFICATION PER U.S. CUSTOMS REQUEST"
P
0
9 Infrastructure's Engineering Job Number Assignment. Could be nothing more than the interface to the 911 Recorder or something to do with the additional PC Boards in the bottom of the Consolette for Encryption / Decryption for the Recorder.

I suspect the Terminals # 7 & # 8 in conjunction with the 600 OHM transformer is where the TRC 2-W connections are located.

BTW, the 84 Number designation only denotes an unstuff or lack of components Printed Circuit Board. Look a little closer at these "PCBs" for either TLN or QRN with 4-Digit numbers stamped in Black ink on the boards.

Dan

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:00 pm
by Equinox
Dan562 wrote:L Syntor Consolette
6 75 Watts Output
3 162 MHz ~ 174 MHZ Possibly 166 MHz ~ 171 MHz
K
X DVP or DES
B
7 Programmable Tone PL or Digital PL
1
0
7 ?? Maybe should indicate a "6" for Tone Remote Control
A First Version Station
M Standard Accessories Shipped With Station
This next designator is very important

S SPECIALTY PRODUCTS - "CUSTOM MODIFICATION PER U.S. CUSTOMS REQUEST"
P
0
9 Infrastructure's Engineering Job Number Assignment. Could be nothing more than the interface to the 911 Recorder or something to do with the additional PC Boards in the bottom of the Consolette for Encryption / Decryption for the Recorder.

I suspect the Terminals # 7 & # 8 in conjunction with the 600 OHM transformer is where the TRC 2-W connections are located.

BTW, the 84 Number designation only denotes an unstuff or lack of components Printed Circuit Board. Look a little closer at these "PCBs" for either TLN or QRN with 4-Digit numbers stamped in Black ink on the boards.

Dan
Thanks for the advice Dan. I really should have had my trusty old tone test remote with me before I went on this deal. Live and learn. Bad thing about all this is, in a couple of months I'll be going back to tie the console to a brand new radio that SHOULD be more or less plug and play (famous last words) via the digital junction box.

Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 8:55 pm
by Equinox
The latest-

First, come to find out these guys don't even want the Commandstar Lite console. It is being forced on them by the Homeland security grant money thing. They would have preferred to upgrade all their mobiles and portables first. (I posted a rant about this a few weeks ago, wondering why do salespeople sell 8 channel consoles to someone with a single radio? Now I know) :-?

But, they were told it had to be installed by May 15th, so I installed the beast today. Pins 7 & 8 on the back of the Consolette did not work. Pins 4 & 5 wound up being the two that worked for 2 wire half duplex, which is what I thought should work to begin with (I was thinking it would be just like the back of a Micor station- 1&2 are Line 1, 3 is a ground, 4&5 are Line 2, if I'm not mistaken, so one pair or the other should have worked). Soooooooooo, I get everything tied together and tucked in, and discover a loud buzz on TX audio. Poke around and discover that when my laptop is connected, the buzz goes away. First thought is, it doesn't have a ground and is getting it through the laptop, but wait- the laptop is not plugged in to the wall, but is on battery. Hmmm.....to make a long story short, finally determined the little RCA jack for the gooseneck mic is undoubtedly messed up, as it felt real loose when I first plugged it in (it's not mounted to the chassis at all, but rather just by the solder leads). Switching to internal mic, it works fine. Switch back to gooseneck, wiggle the jack, buzz gets louder. I'm thinking maybe I can repair it myself, but if it is a broken jack, will I find an exact replacement locally? Not likely. I'm 3 hours away from our shop, in a town of 600 people, 30 miles from the Mexican border. Plus, what a pain to try and completely disassemble a console on top of some deputy's tiny, cluttered desk. So I call MOTO to get an RA. I figure if I have to COMPLETELY disassemble the console, I might as well let them repair or replace the board. So, the sherrif's office is back to dispatching "old-school" for now. Just a day in the life of a shade-tree technician in Bordertown, Texas. :wink:

I don't know, I'm thinking I might see if I can repair the sucker myself now that I can get at it in our shop. I'm wondering if I could just change the plug on the gooseneck and plug it into the internal mic jack, and to heck with the Depot...... :o

Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 9:31 pm
by escomm
Well at least if it went in for service it would be a hop skip and a jump to El Paxico :evil: