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Replacement internal organs in Saber R
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:46 pm
by wireless.friendly
I have a SecureNet Saber II-R (not Astro). It is having unnecessary frequency band split. I want replace all required electronics to got Saber II-R for wanted band split.
Which Sabers I can use as electronics donor?
1. Saber II? If possible, usual or R only?
2. Systems Saber II? If possible, usual or R only?
3. Astro Saber II? If possible, usual or R only?
???
And may be any others?
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:07 am
by RESCUE161
Here is a VERY good post by K4WTF:
http://www.batlounge.us/showthread.php?t=206
Also check here:
http://www.repeater-builder.com/motorol ... index.html
You are not going to be able to use Astro modules in a non-Astro radio and vice versa.
VHF to UHF and vice versa is also not going to work.
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:48 am
by AEC
Saber 'R' series is the same as the standard analog Saber....I, II, III.
UHF and VHF parts will retrofit in the respective radios...UHF to UH and VHF to VHF ONLY!
You can't swap UHF with VHF modules or vice-versa.
Proper RSS is also a requirement!
The 'R' series is just a 'normal' Saber in a ruggedized housing, that's all.
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:18 am
by wireless.friendly
AEC wrote:Saber 'R' series is the same as the standard analog Saber....I, II, III.
UHF and VHF parts will retrofit in the respective radios...UHF to UH and VHF to VHF ONLY!
You can't swap UHF with VHF modules or vice-versa.
Proper RSS is also a requirement!
The 'R' series is just a 'normal' Saber in a ruggedized housing, that's all.
Many thanks!
You can't swap UHF with VHF modules or vice-versa.
But why? It has a different size or ???
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:27 am
by wireless.friendly
And what about module from Systems Saber II? It will fit to the Saber II-R case?
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:11 am
by RESCUE161
There is no different, only with the cases.
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:17 am
by wireless.friendly
RESCUE161 wrote:There is no different, only with the cases.
You mean that I can install module from Systems Saber to usual Saber and vice versa?
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:18 am
by RESCUE161
Yes.
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:25 am
by wireless.friendly
RESCUE161
Thanks!
And I correctly understood, that module from Astro Saber cannot be insalled to usual Saber or Systems Saber?
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:28 am
by RESCUE161
There are no modules in an Astro Saber, just two circuit boards (rf and vocon).
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:34 am
by wireless.friendly
RESCUE161 wrote:There are no modules in an Astro Saber, just two circuit boards (rf and vocon).
Ok! They of course cannot be used in usual Saber or Systems Saber?
Saber questions...
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:59 am
by Tom in D.C.
If you open up a regular Saber and then open up an
Astro Saber and put them side by side it will be apparent
that they are two completely different animals, rather like
comparing a tractor and a taxicab. Saber has many small
modules; Astro Saber has two circuit boards plus a shield,
that's all. Even the control knobs and shafts are different.
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:28 am
by wireless.friendly
Tom in D.C.
Thanks for info! Just no way look to any Saber in this moment
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:30 am
by AEC
VHF Saber modules are not the same(programming-wise) as the UHF Sabers, also, the receiver modules not only look different, but are designed differently as well, the VHF ones are square in appearance and the UHF ones have a 'tang' and mounts to the board with different screw locations as well, the VHF one has the screws in line with each other and top to bottom ....> 0 0<....
The remainder of the modules are also different as they are designed solely for use at UHF and can not be retrofitted in ANY VHF radio, same goes for the P.A module, the pin configurations are different as well, plus there are no 2-pole filters in a UHF Saber like there are in VHF ones.
Many of the modules may look the same, but they are not.
The main controller boards are also different, and can not be swapped from band to band, they MUST be used in their appropriate band.
VHF to VHF.......UHF to UHF only.
The front shield/memory CAN be used on ANY standard Saber...be it a model I, II or III, but standard models only, they can NOT be used with ANY Systems models of any configuration...I, II or III.
NEVER attempt to program a Systems Saber with Saber RSS, you'll brick the radio!
Pretty much the same for a standard Saber programmed with systems RSS....but it is recoverable with the standard models, but the same does not hold true for the systems models.
Programming cables for standard Sabers will work on all of the following radios:
Saber I
Saber II
Saber III
Systems Sabers...ALL models.
Saber 'R' series....ALL models...( same as standard Sabers )
Anything 'ASTRO' labeled will NOT work on ANY saber, Systems, standard or 'R' series....DO NOT EVEN TRY!
Same goes for the RSS.....NO!