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Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:22 pm**

Hi all!

I kill my Maxtrac

It has been D45MQA5GB5AK (Type I / 2 System / 2 Subfleet) with HLF9122A board (Maxtrac 820???).

I blank his logic board with LAB RSS 05.30.00 with saving turning data.

After it I reinitialize it in the same LAB RSS as Maxtrac 50:

PRODUCT LINE MaxTrac
MODEL NAME MaxTrac 50
RANGE 806-870
MODEL NUMBER D45MJA7304_K
PANEL NUMBER 000
SERIAL 00000000 (my S/N here)
Modes 2
Watts 35
Features TPL and DPL
Reference # 2

After it I press F3 (program with old tune data).

After process starts, I get message "Serial number does not match radio.".

Very stranger!!! Because I enter s/n correctly - I check it 10 times. And s/n has been right - I check it in my older printings from RSS, I check package and stickers - s/n is correct!

Hmmmm.... No any way - S/N is correct and I press F2 (continue with "wrong" S/N).

Radio reboots and sounds continuously low after short high beep.

I read radio with the same LAB RSS, but receive message, that codeplug checksum error and that programming with this codeplug can make radio unusable. I press F2 (agree) and write radio. "Wrong S/N" error appears and I press F2 (agree) again. Radio has been programmed, but continuously beeps low.

I try read radio with RVN4019K (R07.02.00) and receive error 59 ("Radio Code Plug Error."). I try read radio with RVN4019J (R06.01.00c) and receive error 58 ("Radio Code Plug Error.").

Alignment menu show error "Microprocessor Configuration Register Is Corrupted. Replace Logic Board Per service Manual Procedures".

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I try other variants, like MaxTrac 100 and no positive result.

In some retry I blank board by my fail - after it I think that turning data was been lost... Therefor I try blank logic board with w/o saving turning data and try making this Maxtrac back to original:

PRODUCT LINE Trunking
MODEL NAME MaxTrac 820
RANGE 806-870
MODEL NUMBER D45MQA5GB5_K (this is completely coincide with factory model numbe)
PANEL NUMBER 000
SERIAL 00000000 (my S/N here)
Modes 0
Watts 35
Features Trunking
Reference # 2

After It I Press F8.

Now "wrong S/N" message not appears, but S/N has been the same =)

Radio reboots and now sounds continuously low after short high beep as above.

I read radio with the same LAB RSS - radio has been read w/o errors. I can read/write codeplug from the same LAB RSS, but in F4 menu (change/view codeplug) only menu F2 exist (Radio Wide configuration). And nothing more!

I try read radio with RVN4043S (R05.01.00 and other 05.07.02) and receive error "External EEPROM checksum error", "Error 53": Trunked Code Plug Checksum Error, Consult Manual For List of Error Codes and possible solutions".

I try read radio with RVN4019J (R06.01.00c) and receive error 58 ("Radio Code Plug Error.").

Alignment menu show error "Microprocessor Configuration Register Is Corrupted. Replace Logic Board Per service Manual Procedures".

I can blank and reinitialize board again and again, but I am cannot get any working radio. I try different variants in initializing board, but one result in all cases - radio sounds continuously low after short high beep.

How I can get back any working radio??? Trunking or conventional - no matter. Just working radio.

May be I doing something wrong? Or radio is completely dead?

Please help me!

Any help appreciated.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:10 pm**

I bring it to life!!!

I blank it and reinitialize with Trunking RSS (not LAB). When I try done it, RSS force me to load codeplug - I load it and radio has been successfully reinitialized! It works now, but I loose some tune data

All correct parameters of my radio are clear to understand, except Panel Number:

PRODUCT LINE Max Trk Option
MODEL NAME MaxTrac 820
MODEL NUMBER D45MQA5GB5_K
PANEL NUMBER 050
RANGE 806-870
Max Trunk Modes 02
Max Subfleets 02
Max Conv Modes 00
RF POWER 35

Why Panel Number not 000 as described in all articles about conversion??? On my head only 2 buttons/4 leds!

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Now I am interesting in procedure by making this radio conventional.

How I must set these parameters if I want to get working conventional radio?

PRODUCT LINE ???
MODEL NAME ???
RANGE 806-870
MODEL NUMBER ???
PANEL NUMBER 000 or 050 ?
SERIAL 00000000 (my S/N here)
Modes ???
Watts 35

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:13 pm**

You have to change the firmware EPROM chip to make it conventional...
Do a search here, there has been lots of discussion on it.

Posted: **Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:02 am**

Max-trac wrote:You have to change the firmware EPROM chip to make it conventional...
Do a search here, there has been lots of discussion on it.

You mean change firmware in EEPROM or change EEPROM chip?

Posted: **Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:37 am**

I try convert this radio to conventional by initializing from Conventional RSS.

I try convert to these:

Max Options | MaxTrac 50 | Reference # 2
Max Options | MaxTrac 100 | Reference # 2
Max Options | MaxTrac 100 | Reference # 4
Max Options | MaxTrac 100 | Reference # 6

Not successfull in all retries - RSS don't want to initialize radio as MaxTrac - Error # 30: Serial Number Does Not Match Radio. And no F2 (agree) button available here.

Posted: **Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:55 am**

Guys!

I also try initialize this as trunking (by using Conventional RSS).

For initialization I used all right genuine data (data identical with factory trunked radio):

PRODUCT LINE Max Trk Option
MODEL NAME MaxTrac 820
MODEL NUMBER D45MQA5GB5_K
PANEL NUMBER 050
RANGE 806-870
Max Trunk Modes 02
Max Subfleets 02
Max Conv Modes 00
RF POWER 35

This is the same as Max Trk Opt | MaxTrac 820 | Ref # 2.

Radio has been initialized w/o any errors, but beeps low.

Trunking RSS read it, but show error message - "External EEPROM checksum error", "Error 53": Trunked Code Plug Checksum Error, Consult Manual For List of Error Codes and possible solutions".

Why???

May be to get trunked radio, I must use for initializing Trunked RSS (not Conventional RSS)?

But if I use Trunked RSS, it is force me to load codeplug and just skip steps by entering initialization parameters - it is just takes from codeplug! No way to change anything in this case!

Posted: **Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:10 am**

May be I can try initialize board from Trunked RSS but with other's codeplug with enabled conventional mode(s)?

If anybody have trunked codeplug(s) from D45 Maxtrac with one ore more enabled conventional mode, please send it to me wireless.friendly # gmail.com.

Posted: **Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:41 pm**

On the logic board, under the cover, there is a plug in chip.
It is an Eprom, not EEprom. IE under the sticker there is a window that you shine UV light into to erase it, then you have to have an eprom burner to program it. THE RADIO DOES NOT PROGRAM THIS CHIP.

What does the sticker say?
There are different chips for trunking, conventional, data etc .
Did you read the proceedure in the other post???????

Posted: **Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:26 am**

Max-trac wrote:On the logic board, under the cover, there is a plug in chip. It is an Eprom, not EEprom. IE under the sticker there is a window that you shine UV light into to erase it, then you have to have an eprom burner to program it. THE RADIO DOES NOT PROGRAM THIS CHIP.

Ok.

What does the sticker say?

Will check!

There are different chips for trunking, conventional, data etc . Did you read the proceedure in the other post???????

I have read many posts. But everywhere info that trunked Maxtrac can be converted to conventional w/o changing chip - just by blanking LB and re-initializing.

I reading about changing chip, but I understood that it is necessary only when I build Smartnet Maxtrac. But I need in conventional Maxtrac or trunking Maxtrac, but with one or more conventional mode(s).

May be you can give me link where described my issue?

Are you sure that changing chip in necessary in my case?

Posted: **Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:08 am**

This is "under cover" part of my logic board:

Posted: **Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:16 am**

Max-trac

As you can see:

Sticker on board: HLN9313B, 86534, 0, 17/95
Sticker on chip: HLN9435D, V54.06, (D200) 17.95

Posted: **Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:27 am**

That is a trunking chip.
You have to initialize with trunking software.
Since you only have a 2ch head, you need to initialize with panel 000 and find a model that has ONE trunking and ONE conventional.
(you are trying to make it a full featured radio with the wrong front panel)
And if you don't have lab trunking RSS, I believe you will need a codeplug to put in it.

Or you can change the chip to conventional HLN5569, and you can have 2 conventional channels.

Posted: **Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:25 pm**

Since you only have a 2ch head

Head with 2 sys/2 fleets cannot serve radio with more than 2 channels?

And if you don't have lab trunking RSS, I believe you will need a codeplug to put in it.

Are you sure that exist special Trunking RSS version?

And why I need Trunking RSS? After all I can blank LB from any LAB RSS for MaxTrac. And as I have read on this forum, to make trunking radio Conventional RSS (not LAB!) required.

Or you can change the chip to conventional HLN5569, and you can have 2 conventional channels.

Where I can purchase it? It is still available from Motorola as part?

Posted: **Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:53 pm**

Max-Trac told you everything you need: you want this radio to be a conventional radio, you've gotta get conventional F/W. If you want more than two channels, you're gonna have to scrounge up a more advanced control head.

Posted: **Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:00 pm**

MTS2000des

You agree with Max-trac that I can made trunking radio with one conventonal mode w/o changing firmware chip?

Since you only have a 2ch head, you need to initialize with panel 000 and find a model that has ONE trunking and ONE conventional.

Which RSS I must use to re-initialize logic board? Conventional RSS (not LAB) or Trunking RSS (not LAB)?

Or ... ???

Posted: **Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:53 pm**

Dude,
This is what you need. That trunking EPROM will NEVER do what you're trying to make it do.

http://cgi.ebay.com/32-channel-Maxtrac- ... dZViewItem

To get a full functioning conventional radio, you need the above EPROM AND a full feature head. You can pick those up on Ebay as well.

Posted: **Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:07 am**

RESCUE161
MTS2000des
Max-trac

Thanks 2 all, but... anybody know, I can made trunking radio with one conventonal mode w/o changing firmware chip?

Posted: **Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:55 am**

I have seen a 2ch trunking maxtrac with one trunking ch, and one conventional, but it had the expanded 5-pin board. So it won't match your 16pin setup. And it may have been a special. I don't have a codeplug for what you need and it has been so long since I set up a trunking radio, I don't know if you can do it without a codeplug.
When you initialize with lab-trunking, look for a model number that is ONLY 2ch but has the most features.
There are really only 2 panel numbers to use, 000 for your 2ch, and 001 for the full featured head.
Make sure you have the emergency jumper on the back along with the speaker jumper.

I just sold TWO conventional 800 maxtracs on ebay for $40
They are CHEAP!
I will be listing another pair today, or you can send me yours and I will make it conventional for you.
Or you can buy the conventional chip here;
http://www.myradiomall.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi
just put HLN5569 in the search box

Posted: **Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:38 am**

any trunking maxtrac that also supports conventional also had the advanced head and different firmware than what you have.

either way its more than just banging them in and goin to town

Posted: **Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:42 pm**

Max-trac

I have seen a 2ch trunking maxtrac with one trunking ch, and one conventional, but it had the expanded 5-pin board.

If to trust MaxTrac RSS, such radio exist - model number is D45MQA5GB4_K:

Code: Select all

MaxTrac 820
Modes 1
Watts 35
Features TPL and DPL
Features Talk Around
Features Trunking

So it won't match your 16pin setup. And it may have been a special.

If to trust MaxTrac RSS, such radio also exist - model number is the same (D45MQA5GB4_K), but "Product Line" is "Max Trk Option", what means that radio have expanded logic board/16 pin ACC connector.

I don't have a codeplug for what you need and it has been so long since I set up a trunking radio, I don't know if you can do it without a codeplug.

It is pity

When you initialize with lab-trunking, look for a model number that is ONLY 2ch but has the most features.

Are you sure that I must use Trunking LAB RSS to initialize LB?

I have two different LAB RSS:

1. First have filenames such maxtrac.xxx. Banner is: "MaxTrac Mobile, R05.30.00, LAB USE".
2. Second have filenames such maxtracs.xxx. Banner is: "RSS for the MaxTrac. Restricted to FTR Use., (R05.05.00)".

I correctly understood that 1-st is Conventional LAB RSS, but 2-nd is Trunking LAB RSS?

When I try initialize from 2-nd RSS (R05.05.00), RSS force me to load codeplug (which I doesn’t have, because I doesn't have appropriate radio to get it).

When I try initialize from 1-st RSS (R05.30.00), all works ok in first look - I can read/write radio from Conventional RSS, but radio beeps low, and I cannot read/write radio from Trunking RSS (53 error - External EEPROM Checksum Error).

There are really only 2 panel numbers to use, 000 for your 2ch, and 001 for the full featured head.

I think that I must use appropriate panel number, not dully "000". See table "Panel Numbers for Lab RSS" here http://www.batlabs.com/maxrad.html. My factory panel number coincide with this table - 050 for D45MQA5GB5_K.

But I try different panel numbers - still no luck.

Make sure you have the emergency jumper on the back along with the speaker jumper.

Yes, it have.

I just sold TWO conventional 800 maxtracs on ebay for $40
They are CHEAP!
I will be listing another pair today, or you can send me yours and I will make it conventional for you.

Yes, cheap. Thanks for offer, but I want to "beat" this radio, because I have few pcs of this one.

Or you can buy the conventional chip here;
<http://www.myradiomall.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi>
just put HLN5569 in the search box

Thanks! This is variant, but if I can (???) add one conventional mode just from software, I will try done it!

This is business of principle!

Posted: **Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:58 pm**

grem467 wrote:any trunking maxtrac that also supports conventional also had the advanced head and different firmware than what you have.

You are not right.

I check "MaxTrac 800 operating manual" and find out that MaxTrac 820 has only basic head (no advanced head as calss for 820 family). Advanced head only in MaxTrac 840 family.

As I can see in RSS, few MaxTracs 820 with one conventional mode exist.

Also I see in MaxTrac 800 operating manual (on the page # 11) that "MaxTrac 820 Dual-Mode Operation" (D35MQAGB4) exist, which supports trunking and conventional. This one pictured and described with basic head. And on this basic head, signed conventional mode LED (bottom right LED).

It is mean that MaxTrac with basic head can operate in conventional. Only one mode, but it can!

Majority question to community - which chip installed in trunked MaxTrac 820 with one conventional mode support?

either way its more than just banging them in and goin to town

Not understand you. Please explain clearly.

Posted: **Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:01 pm**

Here is the codeplug and DBF file for the 2ch head, one trunking, one conventional channel. You can play around with it.
It is a D45MQA5GB4, Maxtrac 820, panel 56
I don't think it will work though, it is from a 5 pin logic board with a HLN9260C eprom firmware.

Since you want to beat your radio, and it is a matter of principle, I will experiment around later and see what I can do.

http://www.redshift.com/~1king26/a438aqy1.491
http://www.redshift.com/~1king26/maxtracs.dbf

Could someone upload this to the Codeplug SuperSite please?

Posted: **Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:25 pm**

2 Max-trac and ALL:

Maxtrac must works with GM300 and/or Waris microphones? Must be fully compatible?

Posted: **Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:29 pm**

OK, I made it work!!!
I took a 2ch radio with the same logic board and eprom that you have and;
1. Blank with conventional lab RSS, F8 extended, don't save tuning.
2. exit and run lab-trunking RSS
3. load the saved file that I posted earlier
4. go into replace logic board
5. change to your serial number if you like.
(the rest of the data should be filled in for you)
6. F8 write the radio

You will need to do a full alignment on the radio (F2 replace logic board again, this time you get the alignment screen)
I notice that the bottom button (subfleet) changes the channel.

You may not need trunking-lab, but I did not try normal RSS.

re the mics, yes, GM300, radius, and others will work, NOT Mostar, unkown on Waris....

Have fun!

Posted: **Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:59 am**

Max-trac wrote:OK, I made it work!!!
I took a 2ch radio with the same logic board and eprom that you have and;
1. Blank with conventional lab RSS, F8 extended, don't save tuning.
2. exit and run lab-trunking RSS
3. load the saved file that I posted earlier
4. go into replace logic board
5. change to your serial number if you like.
(the rest of the data should be filled in for you)
6. F8 write the radio

You will need to do a full alignment on the radio (F2 replace logic board again, this time you get the alignment screen)
I notice that the bottom button (subfleet) changes the channel.

Thanks for codeplug. I done it yesterday! It works!

But I lost extened LB functionality - programming for ACC connector not available with this codeplug. Thinks that this is because your codeplug from basic LB radio.

re the mics, yes, GM300, radius, and others will work, NOT Mostar, unkown on Waris....

Why I asking you about mics? Just my GM300 mics doesn't works. Maxtrac mics also doesn't works. I make small research and find out that no proper Positive voltage on the mic's pin # 5. Must be near +9V, but really 0.23V.

I am not sure that it is due the re-programmings. May be anybody face with similar problem? May be anywhere has Maxtrac service manual/schematics or know where it can be downloaded?

Posted: **Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:46 am**

Just my GM300 mics doesn't works. Maxtrac mics also doesn't works. I make small research and find out that no proper Positive voltage on the mic's pin # 5. Must be near +9V, but really 0.23V.

I am not sure that it is due the re-programmings. May be anybody face with similar problem? May be anywhere has Maxtrac service manual/schematics or know where it can be downloaded?

Solve it!

Just positive voltage wire on the PCB HLN5184 is parched

Posted: **Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:18 pm**

Hi guys!

What mean Max High Sig in Product Line (in board replacement procedure)?

Max - this is MaxTrac =)
Sig - mean Signaling (which exact? MDC1200?)
High - what it mean? High power? No! Because each second Max High Sig radio has D35 model number (15W power output).

Any ideas?[/b]

Posted: **Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:19 pm**

[quote="wireless.friendly"]Hi guys!

What mean Max High Sig in Product Line (in board replacement procedure)?

Max - this is MaxTrac =)
Sig - mean Signaling (which exact? MDC1200?)
High - what it mean? High power? No! Because each second Max High Sig radio has D35 model number (15W power output).

Any ideas?

Posted: **Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:19 pm**

Hi guys!

What mean Max High Sig in Product Line (in board replacement procedure)?

Max - this is MaxTrac =)
Sig - mean Signaling (which exact? MDC1200?)
High - what it mean? I think that this is NOT high power radio, because each second Max High Sig model number begins from D35 (15W), not from D45 (35W).

Any ideas?

Posted: **Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:40 pm**

That's for conventional.

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Help!!! I kill my trunking MaxTrac!

Help!!! I kill my trunking MaxTrac!