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This is why to be careful for whom you program a radio with TX.


http://www.miamiherald.com/460/story/55100.html

that happens quite often. most departments don't like to go talking about it tho because it makes them look bad. but at least they caught the people and they will get what they deserve.

It's kind of scary realizing just how much stuff these people had? While most of us here could (not should, but could) program up a radio to match police programming, the idea of the general populace having police radios still scares me. (As a side note, I wonder if Miami-Dade tried/succeeded in inhibiting the radios?)

Some of it I don't get, though. How did no one notice that the officers were being dispatched to fictitious calls? No dispatcher wondered who was stepping on their toes? If they had tight control over PTT-ID, they may have also noticed that a radio reported stolen was just used to dispatch people to a fictitious call.

While I completely agree that no one should program their radios to transmit on public safety frequencies, I think it's the least important of the issues they mention. How do 25 police assault rifles go missing?

Although it does bear a good message that's been brought up here before: get a scanner. It's interesting to note that they had undercover agents trying to nab people programming radios, though. Something to keep in the back of your head next time someone asks you to program a radio for them.

the city of atlanta has operated a system called Comnet, it's been up since 1990. aside from the fact that they never bothered to get a license for the repeater on 453.25 (FCC ULS confirms this), the channel is full of "play cops". It is supposed to be for licensed security firms to "call 911" from their UHF security radios.

It's become a haven of police impersonating security guards (many of whom aren't even licensed guards) who run tags, get into car chases, and the city of Atlanta plays right along...

keep your eyes on the Atlanta news I think it's finally going to blow up like Miami-Dade. Many of the faux cops on Comnet are former Georgia rangers (a group of convicted felons who got caught posing some years back) or former employee's of now convicted murder ex-Dekalb county sheriff Sidney Dorsey. Most recently these cop playing flashlight felons caused a car chase that ended up with a car crashing into someone's house.

Wonder who programmed their radios? Guess this will come out sooner or later...

Just goes to show you how everything all unravels after a while...

twowaytekk wrote:This is why to be careful for whom you program a radio with TX.


http://www.miamiherald.com/460/story/55100.html

Damed, this crap is frightening. What an article!

Ask me if I'm surprised anymore, though...

I think their problems are a little more deep rooted than some programmed radios.

SG

Well again, these guys were nailed because they were programming radios with TX ability. That's just asking for trouble. Does anybody know of a case where someone was arrested/charged/convicted for simply programming up a radio, RX only? Seems to me there haven't been many (if any at all) cases like that, it always seems to involve an idiot enabling TX or some such.

and people wonder why i compare a trip to the miami-dade metro area akin to being in another country....


this:

Favio Noyo, 38, was charged with dealing in stolen property. The other two, Sergio Plasencia, 21, and Ernesto Garcia, 20, allegedly self-taught on the Internet, were charged with illegally transmitting on a police transmission.

was the worst part for the audience here on bl.com


fair warning dumba$$es.... this stuff is no game anymore.





doug

that happens here in Indiana all the time wether it's a scanner, recieve only or recieve/transmit. if you are not law enforcement and you have a radio, you get arrested. they don't even like firemen having law enforcement frequencies in their portables, the only ones they let us program into fire department radios are the mobiles mounted in the rigs. if you are not law enforcement and have a radio of any kind that can recieve law enforcement you better have written permission from all the departments in that radio or have an amateur license or be employed by a firm that services the departments in that radio. even the cops that come to us to get their personal radios done we don't add any law enforcement frequencies unless they show us a badge and photo state id saying they are law enforcement. and if you get caught with that radio/scanner and have a firearm, it's more than likely going to be a felony charge. more times than i can count local detectives have brought me radios to read and tell them what is in it so they know how to charge theese people. and i get a couple a month from them. i do know that if you have one in your private home, there is nothing they can do unless you transmit on a law enforcement frequency. now i'm not a lawyer but i can read and below is Indiana's law on it and if you live here then it does apply to you. has anyone else at least had the courtesy of looking up their states laws on it? it was just last year that i move to the Indy area but when I was up towards the Gary area i also serviced Illinois area and their laws are almost identical, just worded a little different.

State Statute I.C. 35-44-3-12
IC 35-44-3-12
Sec. 12.
(a) A person who knowingly or intentionally:
(1) possesses a police radio;
(2) transmits over a frequency assigned for police emergency purposes; or
(3) possesses or uses a police radio:
(A) while committing a crime;
(B) to further the commission of a crime; or
(C) to avoid detection by a law enforcement agency;
commits unlawful use of a police radio, a Class B misdemeanor.
(b) Subsection (a)(1) and (a)(2) do not apply to:
(1) a governmental entity;
(2) a regularly employed law enforcement officer;
(3) a common carrier of persons for hire whose vehicles are used in emergency service;
(4) a public service or utility company whose vehicles are used in emergency service;
(5) a person who has written permission from the chief executive officer of a law enforcement agency to possess a police radio;
(6) a person who holds an amateur radio license issued by the Federal Communications Commission if the person is not transmitting over a frequency assigned for police emergency purposes;
(7) a person who uses a police radio only in the person's dwelling or place of business;
(8) a person:
(A) who is regularly engaged in newsgathering activities;
(B) who is employed by a newspaper qualified to receive legal advertisements
under IC 5-3-1, a wire service, or a licensed commercial or public radio or television station; and
(C) whose name is furnished by his employer to the chief executive officer of
a law enforcement agency in the county in which the employer's principal office is located;
(9) a person engaged in the business of manufacturing or selling police radios; or
(10) a person who possesses or uses a police radio during the normal course of the person's lawful business.
(c) As used in this section, "police radio" means a radio that is capable of sending or receiving signals transmitted on frequencies assigned by the Federal Communications Commission for police emergency purposes and that:
(1) can be installed, maintained, or operated in a vehicle; or
(2) can be operated while it is being carried by an individual. The term does not include a radio designed for use only in a dwelling.
As added by Acts 1977, P.L.342, SEC.1. Amended by P.L.162-1994, SEC.1.

that law has so many holes in it any rookie lawyer could make a mockery of any prosecutor that brought charges.

it basically outlaws all business band radios too since they tend to cover police splits and they only need be capable of operating on police freqs....

put the tinfoil hat away

Thats why I always ask for autorization on department letterhead for PS stuff I program...