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how is it that motorola can advertise on their talkabouts that they have a 25 mile range? i even thought it was rediculous when i saw 8 mile range on some at best buy.

Because line-of-sight, with NO obstructions and NO curvatures, it quite possibly could work 25 miles. OR, from a mountaintop to the ground, with little obstruction, they may work 25 miles.

Of course those of us who know better, well, know better.

HLA wrote:how is it that motorola can advertise on their talkabouts that they have a 25 mile range? i even thought it was rediculous when i saw 8 mile range on some at best buy.

You are not seriously asking this question are you? This is rhetorical right?

motorola logic is like female logic (no offence to any women here)

need a hint?

its an oxymoron!

Its Marketing, Motorola sytle. Havent you figured this out yet. Motorola is known for these tactics.

USGOVTECH wrote:Its Marketing, Motorola sytle. Havent you figured this out yet. Motorola is known for these tactics.

more like 99% of company style.

How many companies seriously state "real life" figures ?. got to love salesman who try to sell an electrician a $3500 xts5k radio just to communicate with his apprentice when pulling cables through houses. The sparkie (electrician) told me that the motorola sales guy said that if he did not buy a Int Safe radio he could blow components up. rofl.

I sold him a few used gp328's (ht1250) radios for a few hundred each and he has a smile from ear to ear!.

Its like buying a car stereo with 400 watts peak power.
Of course closer reading you find out that its only 100 watts per speaker peak power which equates to about 70 watts RMS.
So a 400 watt claim has gone down to a 70 watt reality.

It all marketing my friend.

Bruce1807 wrote:Its like buying a car stereo with 400 watts peak power.
Of course closer reading you find out that its only 100 watts per speaker peak power which equates to about 70 watts RMS.
So a 400 watt claim has gone down to a 70 watt reality.

It all marketing my friend.

marketing of false and misleading figures is great if you want to grab plenty of quick sales from a population of 301 million (USA). but here in Australia(20 million), You tell the truth, give the customer a no-******** sitrep and follow through with your claims, you will make plenty of $$ from both that customer and several others that they refer to you.

I really can't understand why people don't spend 1hr researching something before they buy it. my normal hour rate is $31.20p/h. spending an hr researching something will save so much $$ in the long run when you account for replacement of equipment, waisted time with it not working, stress, can't do the job it's intended for etc....

obviously I would not make a good used car salesman. My theory in life is this, you get what you pay for. Spend half the price, and you take home a transvestite with hep b. Spend the cash on a good product the first time, you get a fresh, good quality specimen that won't come back to haunt you for child support. hehe

(p.s. it's 5:18am here, time for bed )

marketing of false and misleading figures is great if you want to grab plenty of quick sales from a population of 301 million (USA). but here in Australia(20 million), You tell the truth, give the customer a no-******** sitrep and follow through with your claims, you will make plenty of $$ from both that customer and several others that they refer to you.


I couldn't agree more. When I was a 17 year old I worked for a large speciality and consumer electronics firm. (Normal consumer electronics + CB's, Ham, Marine, Shortwave and many component items). Part time while pursuing my college degree. I never over-sold or pushed something onto a customer that I didn't think fit his needs and I developed an excellent following with many referalls. After being there about 6mos. I was beating half of the Full time salesman on a regular basis on monthly sales. Just a kid but simple honesty and no pressure was beating the 'old pros' with their sidewalk dance.

cbus wrote:marketing of false and misleading figures is great if you want to grab plenty of quick sales from a population of 301 million (USA). but here in Australia(20 million), You tell the truth, give the customer a no-******** sitrep and follow through with your claims, you will make plenty of $$ from both that customer and several others that they refer to you.

Nonsense. Companies spin the same bull**** here as they do in the USA, and like the USA, the customers are none the wiser. I worked in various forms of retail for about seven years before ending up where I am now.

The only thing we have going for us is much stronger consumer protection legislation.

Part of it is marketing, but keep in mind the average consumer has no clue how radio works and will believe anything. At work, we use 800MHz simplex for operations (we used to be on a Type I system back in the day, I guess they just kept the radios). Coverage in the building is pretty terrible and there seem to be more dead spots than not. I brought in a pair of UHF radios (HT600) and was able to use them everywhere in the building. Places 800 was totally dead, UHF was full quieting.

I showed my results to management who spoke to the radio shop about it. They managed to spin it and say that the reason 800 didn't work as good was because there must have been somebody using a cellphone in the area, saying that because cellphones are also 800MHz it was making the radio less sensitive. To their credit, there IS a cell site on the roof of the building, but there's no way that's going to make a difference.

So as a result, we kept the crappy 800MHz radios and have to just deal with the spotty coverage. Why? Because the sales rep did a good job spinning it, and the customer has no idea how radio works. You see that kind of thing all the time. Look no further than the Province of Manitoba. They have a Province-wide 800MHz SmartZone OmniLink system even in extremely rural areas, you tell me if that works better than VHF or even UHF would.

Or Tasmania, the most mountainous part of the Australian continent, which has an 800MHz EDACS system. The state cops went from VHF midband (70-87.5 MHz) to the EDACS system with AEGIS, and they wonder why it doesn't work as well as the VHF system.

mr.syntrx wrote:

cbus wrote:marketing of false and misleading figures is great if you want to grab plenty of quick sales from a population of 301 million (USA). but here in Australia(20 million), You tell the truth, give the customer a no-******** sitrep and follow through with your claims, you will make plenty of $$ from both that customer and several others that they refer to you.

Nonsense. Companies spin the same bull**** here as they do in the USA, and like the USA, the customers are none the wiser. I worked in various forms of retail for about seven years before ending up where I am now.

The only thing we have going for us is much stronger consumer protection legislation.

did you actually read what I was saying ?. Of course there are cowboys here in Australia. The thing with australia is that its population is much smaller compared to places like the usa. When you have smaller communities like here, news travels pretty quick.

A good reputation is essential.

Ive been in retail and business(incl radio comms) for a lot longer than 7 years and what ive said above is from personal experience.

How can any handheld-handheld radio talk more than about 7 miles. A handheld held at 6ft high has about 3.5 miles before the horizon drops off. assuming no obstructions and another HT at 6ft could hear that singal 3.5 out, that gives you 7 miles max range. You would need to be about 100ft up to make 25 miles paths. Thats asuming you had enough signal stregnth out of your most likely 1watt max bubble pack GMRS radio.

There's a tiny decimal point between the 2 and 5 that only lawyers can see.

cbus wrote:

mr.syntrx wrote:

cbus wrote:marketing of false and misleading figures is great if you want to grab plenty of quick sales from a population of 301 million (USA). but here in Australia(20 million), You tell the truth, give the customer a no-******** sitrep and follow through with your claims, you will make plenty of $$ from both that customer and several others that they refer to you.

Nonsense. Companies spin the same bull**** here as they do in the USA, and like the USA, the customers are none the wiser. I worked in various forms of retail for about seven years before ending up where I am now.

The only thing we have going for us is much stronger consumer protection legislation.

did you actually read what I was saying ?.

Yes.

cbus wrote:Of course there are cowboys here in Australia. The thing with australia is that its population is much smaller compared to places like the usa. When you have smaller communities like here, news travels pretty quick.

No quicker than anywhere in the USA, or any other developed nation, for that matter. This is 2007, and we live in a global community. Our national population is completely irrelevant. Companies are as free to make rubbish claims without any greater risk of consumer backlash here as they are anywhere else, including the USA.

jackhackett wrote:There's a tiny decimal point between the 2 and 5 that only lawyers can see.

Really? Thats fascinating, that must be why these ad's and product advertisements in stores get to stay.

Truthfully, the bubble-pack radio companies SHOULD NOT be allowed to misconstrue and mis-advertise their products like this.

I talked on my FRS radio (Moto, of course) to some hikers using theirs over 50 miles away!! They were on Mt Shasta and I was in the mountains at about 6k ft, line-of-site !!!
..... 'course I have trouble talking to my kids on them down the block behind buildings or "foil-iage" hee hee

Truthfully, the bubble-pack radio companies SHOULD NOT be allowed to misconstrue and mis-advertise their products like this.

But if you can talk 25 miles then its not a lie or a mis advertisment.
It is simply stating in ideal conditions.


Oh and cbus I need to talk to you about a bridge I'm selling and next time I'm in oz I've a great deal on a used car for you!
I'll be in Melbourne for xmas so I'll pop you note. Bring lots of money as this car will be a steal.

gatekeep wrote:Really? Thats fascinating, that must be why these ad's and product advertisements in stores get to stay.
Truthfully, the bubble-pack radio companies SHOULD NOT be allowed to misconstrue and mis-advertise their products like this.

It isn't false advertising if it can happen. It's like all those shows you see at 3am. They all claim you can have a spectacular body in just 3 weeks. Then they say "Results are not typical, yours may vary" which probably means they've heard of one case out of 1,000 where it happens to work.

From Cobra's website:
"Extended range capability provides up to 20 Mile Range. (Range will vary depending on terrain and conditions.)" That "Range will vary" is what covers their backside. Ask anyone who uses FRS in a metro-center, you're lucky to get 1 mile, nevermind 20.

Hey I don't have that problem, don't use bubble-pack radios, my 5watt UHF gets good range...And with a repeater, the range is even better

i just think it's rediculous that they think they have to BS you on the stupid cheap things. i'd expect it more coming from sales reps trying to talk you into the newest and most expensive thing there is. not trying to rip off the typical 12 year old that would but those things. but in any case i wouldn't expect my ht1550 to do 25 miles and it's twice the power.

Bruce1807 wrote:

Truthfully, the bubble-pack radio companies SHOULD NOT be allowed to misconstrue and mis-advertise their products like this.

But if you can talk 25 miles then its not a lie or a mis advertisment.
It is simply stating in ideal conditions.


Oh and cbus I need to talk to you about a bridge I'm selling and next time I'm in oz I've a great deal on a used car for you!
I'll be in Melbourne for xmas so I'll pop you note. Bring lots of money as this car will be a steal.

Forget melbourne, the weather is crap and the women are not as hot as the ones in sydney. hehe, if you pop into sydney drop me a line and I'll meet up and say hi.

No used cars for me mate, it would prob come with a free container of snake oil in the boot rofl.

gatekeep wrote:

jackhackett wrote:There's a tiny decimal point between the 2 and 5 that only lawyers can see.

Really? Thats fascinating, that must be why these ad's and product advertisements in stores get to stay.

Truthfully, the bubble-pack radio companies SHOULD NOT be allowed to misconstrue and mis-advertise their products like this.

I can get 25 miles out of them (the 477MHz Australian version at least), if I drive up a hill in my home town, I can hit a repeater about 30 miles away.

The catch is that this was on the Hay Plains, one of the flattest places on the planet.

In a suburban environment, though, I wouldn't be able to reach someone just down the street and around the corner.

Forget melbourne, the weather is crap and the women are not as hot as the ones in sydney. hehe, if you pop into sydney drop me a line and I'll meet up and say hi.

No used cars for me mate, it would prob come with a free container of snake oil in the boot rofl.

actually from what the old man tells me the weathers great. They would love some crap weather to fill the dams.
Na lived in Sydney for 6 months couldn't wait to get out. So I moved to Bankok for 3 years.
Life was tough then.[/quote]

"downhill on a clear night with the wind behind you......"

We can't all be that shocked and in disbelief at this, can we?

Just look at all the people that think digital "works" better than analog, or that it increases coverage range, or that DSP cleans up analog audio......