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XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:05 pm
by NSPD
I have a friend asking me how to set up and XTS5000 to do Talk Permit tone on conventional channels. I found a video on youtube shouwing it done, but I can't figure out how to set it up in the CPS.

Also i'm having trouble decoding MDC ID's on my radio. It will not display decoded MDC ID's and it has the proper flash. Any ideas?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJrBkRVoWns

Thanks!

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:25 pm
by Mfire39
What is the flashcode and firmware version of the 5K in question?

-Marc

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:30 pm
by NSPD
Host/DSP 9.00.00

Flash 540008-000482-4
Q806/G806 IMBE / APCO-25 Digital Operation
H14/G114 Digital ID Display
H868/W969 Multikey Operation
H38/G51 Smartzone Operation
Q173/G173 Smartzone OmniLink Operation
Q361/G361 Digital APCO-25 IMBE Trunking (9600kb Control)
1B2 Future System Enhancement

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:23 pm
by dxon2m
Boy if this is true, the hamsexiness of XTS5000 will definitely move up one big notch! :D

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:01 pm
by tvsjr
Considering Mike is a member here on the board, I'd suggest asking him directly...

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:56 am
by Hightower
I have text messaging setup on the 5K, per akerdam instructions.

Notice in the video, talk permit tone only was heard in p-25 mode?

Enable DVRS
Now that allows talk permit tone to be checked
now check "TA when no DVRS comms"

You must disable scan on these p-25 channels you want talk permit - otherwise there will be invalid fields. There are a few other invalid fields that need correcting - can't remember what these are right now :(

The talk permit tone does not sound like the video, but rather fail soft talk permit tone. Probably because it only works when the TA when no DVRS comms is check. I haven't gone any further, time for bed

This is just a start, we seen it work in the video..........

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:01 am
by N4DES
I followed your directions in the codeplug for an xts1500 model 1.5 and the only error that I saw was for the scan list.
I'm going to try to program it in tonight to see what happens, but it sounds pretty straight forward.

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:31 pm
by RADIO43
I used "Hightower" instructions and also get the Failsafe Talk permit tone when TX'ing. I hope Mike gives us the full explanation on this and how to get the correct Permit to Tone tone. This will be very valuable with my "clowns" I work with, that just have to start talking as soon as the button is keyed. Even the "Tx clear alert tone" is not good with some of them.
radio43

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:58 pm
by mikegilbert
It's 97 degrees in Seattle and I need to get to bed. I'll reveal the 'secret' tomorrow morning... first post in 3 months to boot!

Here's a teaser:

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Oh, and the kids say hi!

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Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:08 pm
by RADIO43
Mike,

Looking forward to it and thanks Mike....

Radio43

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:20 am
by alex
mikegilbert wrote:Image
Ha! I know what those key caps are for. It's been a while since I have seen one of those keyboards, but it's a really nice piece of software.

-Alex

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:32 am
by tvsjr
I *have* one of those keyboards. :P I'm surprised no one else has figured the secret out yet... :lol:

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:02 am
by mikegilbert
tvsjr wrote:I *have* one of those keyboards. :P I'm surprised no one else has figured the secret out yet... :lol:
I'll give the board 'till noon- just enough time for some sleuthing haha...

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:03 am
by caprice96
The suspense is killing me :D

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:16 am
by escomm
Shenanigans

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:40 am
by Conundrum
Gotta love Post Production Magic...

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:02 pm
by RADIO43
Mike,

I am foaming at the mouth waiting to see this.....

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:20 pm
by kt2728
Mike,

what is the model for the mobile radio in your pic? i havent seen one like that yet.

thanks
kt

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:55 pm
by Conundrum
kt2728 wrote:Mike,

what is the model for the mobile radio in your pic? i havent seen one like that yet.

thanks
kt
That would be a MotoTRBO radio

Read Here: http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=66192

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:36 pm
by Batwings21
escomm wrote:Shenanigans
I agree, those keys are a conversion for your keyboard to make video editing easier I believe.

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:49 pm
by libuff
so, you edited in the sounds? thats kinda a let-down...

but... can it really be done? not the video editing, the talk permit tones instead of the long PTT tone... what makes the radio think that it needs to send the long tone, rather than the TPT? is that codeplug, is that radio based (i am sure it is)... it is accessable?

i really want that after seing it!

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:20 pm
by mikegilbert
Eh, you guys get an A+ for the sleuthing.

The connect tone is actually my HT1000 set up for the 900hz Sidetone option for DTMF. The first set of PTT tones were done live, the second set were dubbed in (but recorded by me)

Sorry for the let-down, but hightower seems to have found a pretty good work-around.
escomm wrote:Shenanigans
What is a fictional casual dining restaurant used in the Movie "Waiting"

I'll take Good Eats for $1000 Alex.

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:21 pm
by Conundrum
mikegilbert wrote:...
escomm wrote:Shenanigans
What is a fictional casual dining restaurant used in the Movie "Waiting"...
what about Super Troopers...
So help me, I'm going to pistolwhip the next person who says "shenanigans."

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:01 am
by RADIO43
Damn, I should have know.....

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:15 pm
by Rayjk110
Sorry to bring up an old thread.


I was using this with a 440 quantar in town, and when the radio trys to "affiliate" with the quantar - it works!! You actually get the real sounding PTT tone.

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:07 am
by DES-AJ
What type of affiliation? Is it a HAM repeater? Trunking sites make a similar noise but a tad slower.

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:59 am
by Rayjk110
It's a stand-alone Quantar on Ham. It seems like when the radio trys to affiliate with the Quantar, and hears it come back, it thinks it's the DVRS module is my assumption.

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:02 am
by Rayjk110
One thing I've noticed, tho, is after I enable DVRS, it will TX Astro on any channel, reguardless if it's analog or not - and tries to "affiliate" (if that's what it's even doing; it seems to send 5 short Astro data packets whenever you change channels or switch from T/A)

I think it may have something to do with personalities that are analog having Mixed-Mode RX set - using Astro System 1 (Which has DVRS enabled). I'll have to check it out after I get home. FWIW, it's CPS 10.

Re: XTS5000 Talk Permit tone on P25 conventional

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:24 am
by RADIO43
Got it going on my 5k as well using R09.01.02 CPS and Firm 09.00.03. The only down fall to this is not being able to assign the personality a Scan List.