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I just obtained a Syntor X and need to reprogram it.

I opened it up and found the EEPROM holder with the orange
sticker on it. However, no where on the EEPROM does it say it is a
2816A chip.

Do all of the SYNTOR Xs have 2816A EEPROMs? Should it say 2816A on
the chip?

The label on the plastic EEPROM cover says 483HMW1501A.
When I take the EEPROM out of the plastic module it has a sticker on
it that also says 483HMW1501A. Underneath this sticker on the chip
itself it says SeeQ 14B01 8738.
On the back of the chip it says Silicon Signature TM, DiTrace TM,
B5516D CP15712X, Korea 8724. There are also two other stickers on
the plastic EEPROM holder that say: HLN4580A and 7132.

I am trying to figure out which EEPROM burner to buy. Can anyone make
heads or tails of this? Which EEPROM do I have, and what EEPROM
burner should I buy?

Any sugestions?

Thanks,
Mike

I can't answer your questions about the current module in your SyntorX, but I'll offer you an alternative that works great. It's a lot cheaper to get your SyntorX programmed and you can use a modern computer to do it.

Check out these Piexx Modules. Programming software is included. And here's a PDF description sheet.

I've been using two of these for the past 5 years or so and I'll vouch for their ease of use and total reliability.

MB wrote: When I take the EEPROM out of the plastic module it has a sticker on
it that also says 483HMW1501A. Underneath this sticker on the chip
itself it says SeeQ 14B01 8738.

Thanks,
Mike

The 14B01 is the last 5 digits of the Motorola part number. IIRC the complete number was 5190014B01 or else 5180014B01. The 8738 is the date code for the chip (1987 38th week).

Would that be a 2816A chip? Is there any parts listing out there for the Syntor X so I can cross reference the numbers? I looked on Motorola Online with no luck.

https://businessonline.motorola.com/Log ... efault.asp

DJP126 wrote:

MB wrote: When I take the EEPROM out of the plastic module it has a sticker on
it that also says 483HMW1501A. Underneath this sticker on the chip
itself it says SeeQ 14B01 8738.

Thanks,
Mike

The 14B01 is the last 5 digits of the Motorola part number. IIRC the complete number was 5190014B01 or else 5180014B01. The 8738 is the date code for the chip (1987 38th week).

I've heard that it's also possible to make a SyntorX into a SyntorX9000 and thus be software programmable. I think I saw it outlined somewhere on Mike's Syntor site:

http://www.open.org/%7Eblenderm/index.html

I haven't actually tried to do this, but I have a low band SyntorX and high band X9000 with a fried PA deck to use to obtain the appropriate parts for the conversion.

I am new to EEPROM programming and I am trying to get as much information as I can.

I need to program a few Syntor Xs' and I believe they all have the "orange lable" SEEQ 6816 EEPROM.

Does anyone have expirence with this Willem EPROM Programmer Pro Version, PCB ver 5.5 PIC? Are the Willem programmers any good?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Willem-EPROM-Progra ... dZViewItem

Or should I spend more money and buy something like this:

TOP2004 USB Universal Programmer Eprom MPU PIC PLD Flash

http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-Universal-Progr ... dZViewItem

Thanks for any help,

Mike

I've got some experience with the older pcb 3.0 Willem burner. Its not for the faint of heart, or the technically inept, but it does a great job, especially for the price. Has an impressive list of supported chips, too. I've yet to have it fail to program anything or botch the job.

Well someone on one of the Yahoo groups thinks I have a SeeQ 5516 chip. I have did tons of research on the internet, and only the expensive (>$300)programmers list the 5516 in their device list.

I will only use the programmer to program this one chip. I don't think I would ever need to program another EEPROM the rest of my life.

I would like to get a programmer for less then $100. A few are listed on ebay. Should I take a chance and try to program it with one that has the 2816 listed in its device list? Think it would work?

Why don't you ask if someone here can program it for you? I would think that somebody still has the old R1801 with the Syntor X program.

Good idea, but I would like the ability to change the programming whenever I wish. Plus a few of my friends also have these radios and I would like to program theirs also..

I need to know if this is actually a 5516 chip and if a 2816 programmer would still program it?

Anyone??

DJP126 wrote:Why don't you ask if someone here can program it for you? I would think that somebody still has the old R1801 with the Syntor X program.

The Seeq eeprom is a direct replacement for the 2816A.

As far as a programmer you get what you pay for. I use an ARLABS AR-32 programmer daily, it runs around $300.00 or so.

I use a program called SPROG to generate the EEPROM image (look at the batwing labs model specific info for Syntor X). I think the original SPROG runs in DOS and the newer SPROG II in windows. There are limitations on the frequencies you can program with SPROG II, depending on how much you pay for it.

After generating the image, I use a Willem programmer to program the 2816. I did not buy the Willem just to program 2816s; it also comes in handy for programming EPROMs that are used in other radios. There are a few different versions of the Willem software, and at least two versions of the PCB. It takes a little time to sort all of this out, and it is somewhat manual (dip switch and jumper settings, etc.). A more sophisticated programmer will set everything up automatically when you tell it what kind of chip you are using, but it is hard to beat the price. Willem uses the parallel port, and the software works on my XP computer.

That USB programmer looks pretty good, too, but I have no experience with it.

I have the Willems programmer and it would not read the SEEQ 5516 EEPROMS. I bought some 2816's off Ebay and those write/read just fine. I used Sprog to generate the files, burned the EEPROMS with the WIllems and the radios work great. There was some trial and error though.

I don't have any experience with the Willems programmer, but for grins and giggles I pulled one of the SeeQ eeproms and tried it in my ARLABS programmer, it read it fine and programmed it fine when selected as a 2816A. The date on the SeeQ chip was 8644.

As mentioned above, buy some 2816A eeproms and you can use most any programmer.

I've programmed several Syntor X modules with my Willem. A few had Seeq chips in them, but I don't know for sure what number was on them. I didn't look. I just popped them in my Willem with it set up for a 2816, and they all programmed fine. As has already been said, you can't beat them for the money. As long as you don't mind setting up all the jumpers and such that more expensive models don't have.

Thanks for the help guys. So I guess I am going to try to locate some 2816s on ebay.

Is this what I should buy?

http://cgi.ebay.com/EEPROM-Seeq-2816-DQ ... dZViewItem

http://www.sunmark.com/datasheets/2816.pdf

It says it is a EEPROM Seeq 2816 DQ2816 DIP package BRAND NEW - DQ2816A. It says it is a 24 pin DIP package. Is this what I should get?