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GP300/GTX Portable/etc. quick charger NTN9630B

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:38 pm
by msa
I tried searching, didn't find anything for NTN9630 or 9630B.

I've run into a lot of these chargers sans wall warts.

The connector appears to be a standard coaxial DC power connector, probably 2.1 or 2.5mm.

Does anyone know what the wallwart for these is rated for (voltage/current)?

Thanks!

Re: GP300/GTX Portable/etc. quick charger NTN9630B

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:41 pm
by Tom in D.C.
As I recall from years of running 300s, 110s, GTXs, etc. the top-rated battery for these units is somewhere under 2 Amps, so the max current a charger would draw would be in the area of 200 ma. The input voltage could be 12 to 15VDC, which is brought to the proper charging voltage by a regulator in the charger. A wall wart with a capability of 500 mA (half an Amp) would do the job nicely.

Re: GP300/GTX Portable/etc. quick charger NTN9630B

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:40 am
by WB6DGN
Does anyone know what the wallwart for these is rated for (voltage/current)?
The recommended power supply ("use only" in Motorola speak) is 2580600E01. The rated output on the ID plate is 13.8VDC at 0.9A, center pin positive. This is the same power supply used with the newer HTN9042A IntelliCharger, so I would expect that it is still available though don't know that for sure.
Tom DGN

By the way, the original battery for this series was 9628A or B (first three letters were HNN I think). Original version was 1200 mA/h though I've seen newer versions (mostly aftermarket), as high as 1800 mA/h.

Re: GP300/GTX Portable/etc. quick charger NTN9630B

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:25 am
by RadioSouth
Those charger bases also came as part of a mobile charger (the base you have + a mounting bracket and lighter cord) so a trip to RadioShack you can at least set one up with a cheap lighter plug. The transformers are pricey, I needed a few for the Jedi's which use the same wart and I'm thinking high $30s when I looked a couple of years ago.

Re: GP300/GTX Portable/etc. quick charger NTN9630B

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:19 pm
by WB6DGN
so a trip to RadioShack you can at least set one up with a cheap lighter plug.
Be careful about doing this. I made a lighter plug cord to plug into a spare Jedi base that I had for my Chevy van. A voltage spike killed the charger base after only about a day's use. The Motorola cord must have some impulse protection to protect the charger base that I didn't account for. So...now I don't have a spare base anymore.
Tom DGN

Re: GP300/GTX Portable/etc. quick charger NTN9630B

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:51 pm
by msa
Tom in D.C. wrote:As I recall from years of running 300s, 110s, GTXs, etc. the top-rated battery for these units is somewhere under 2 Amps, so the max current a charger would draw would be in the area of 200 ma. The input voltage could be 12 to 15VDC, which is brought to the proper charging voltage by a regulator in the charger. A wall wart with a capability of 500 mA (half an Amp) would do the job nicely.
0.5A seems a little low for a quick charger for a 1.2AH battery; sure, it's a 7.2v NiCd, but as NiCds charge, they float up much higher (I wouldn't be surprised to see this float to 10V+), and you need to increase charge voltage to compensate.
WB6DGN wrote: The recommended power supply ("use only" in Motorola speak) is 2580600E01. The rated output on the ID plate is 13.8VDC at 0.9A, center pin positive. This is the same power supply used with the newer HTN9042A IntelliCharger, so I would expect that it is still available though don't know that for sure.
Tom DGN

By the way, the original battery for this series was 9628A or B (first three letters were HNN I think). Original version was 1200 mA/h though I've seen newer versions (mostly aftermarket), as high as 1800 mA/h.
I've got a few HNN9628Bs here.

The wall-wart probably is still available, but I make a point of digging through the wall-wart bin at Goodwill periodically.
As a result, I have a large stock of newer, switching type, 13.8VDC regulated wall-warts, most of which have a 2.1 or 2.5mm connector and are rated for 1.25-1.5A. Those cost $2 ea, which beats $30 (these chargers are for my personal use, not anyone else's, so I don't need to go OEM.)
WB6DGN wrote: Be careful about doing this. I made a lighter plug cord to plug into a spare Jedi base that I had for my Chevy van. A voltage spike killed the charger base after only about a day's use. The Motorola cord must have some impulse protection to protect the charger base that I didn't account for. So...now I don't have a spare base anymore.
Tom DGN
That's not a problem, I have a switching regulator in the truck for radio use. I'll just take 13.8 from there.

Thanks for the responses everyone. Based on the consensus view that these can take ~14VDC, I did a little testing this evening with a directional wattmeter.

With the bench supply set for 13.84VDC (floating with no load), and current limited at 2A, I get:
Charge phases:
- Base connected: 13.81V, 110 mA
- Discharged radio inserted, battery test: 13.80V, 200 mA
- Quick charging: 13.77V, 1.28A. 1.39A inrush current.
- End of charge float: 13.84V, 160 mA

One HNN9628B took 68 minutes to charge. Total consumption of charger: 1.754Ah

Of course, this makes me wonder if those OEM wall-warts are actually limited at 0.9A or if that's just a minimum spec and most are capable of closer to 1.5A. If someone with one could measure current during the quick charge portion of the cycle, that would be appreciated.

Re: GP300/GTX Portable/etc. quick charger NTN9630B

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:22 pm
by WB6DGN
If someone with one could measure current during the quick charge portion of the cycle, that would be appreciated.
Unfortunately I don't have any 9628 batteries at the moment that will draw enough current to make any meaningful measurements. Need to order some pretty soon but waiting to get an order together for Tessco.

Tom DGN