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- Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:40 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: XTS5K audio issues with recent DSP?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 3033
Re: XTS5K audio issues with recent DSP?
Interesting.... I have the answer. The channels being listened to are 2 meter amateur channels. Hams are not required to go to narrowband. The personality those channels were assigned to had HearClear enabled. (Compander on.) I don't recall that I actually had set that parameter previously. Maybe I ...
- Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:16 am
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: XTS5K audio issues with recent DSP?
- Replies: 5
- Views: 3033
XTS5K audio issues with recent DSP?
Not too long ago I upgraded the firmware and DSP in my VHF 5K. I haven't used the radio much since I did it. Pretty much not at all. But lately I've been using it a lot on 2 meters as I'm in a new car and have not yet installed a mobile radio in it, which will be a bit of a challenge as Cadillac did...
- Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:27 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: APX6000XE Annouced
- Replies: 24
- Views: 5748
Re: APX6000XE Annouced
I have already purchased a brand new VHF APX6000, equipped with P25 CAI operation. I bought it with a 2000 mAH battery option. III model, of course. Full keypad and display. This cost 3572 dollars. It is likely that I was the first "civilian" to purchase one of these on the "white mar...
- Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:52 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: Scanning ASTRO25 systems in talkgroup scan
- Replies: 93
- Views: 38384
Re: Scanning ASTRO25 systems in talkgroup scan
Well, if I were actually to attempt such a thing, I'd do other things which I'd presume that anyone who is technically competent enough to achieve this objective would figure out on his own. But I'll be specific about it. Drop TX deviation to zero as well as TX output to zero. You can drop the RF ou...
- Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:02 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: Scanning ASTRO25 systems in talkgroup scan
- Replies: 93
- Views: 38384
Re: Scanning ASTRO25 systems in talkgroup scan
OBT is easy...that's Other Band Trunking. VHF or UHF. Once you learn the correct base freqency and offsets, you're halfway there. But, you can direct the radio to use a non-standard tx offset. This will ensure that the radio will try to affiliate or transmit, but on a frequency that isn't part of th...
- Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:21 pm
- Forum: General Motorola Solutions & Legacy Radio Discussion
- Topic: nonstandard pl/dpl
- Replies: 13
- Views: 5143
Re: nonstandard pl/dpl
I know, this is an ANCIENT topic, but there's some information here I want to share which may be of use to you. Motorola has a standard list of valid DPL tones. It's far from every possible code. Some other manufacturers allow you to use ANY three digit number as a DPL code. If this is the problem, ...
- Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:05 am
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: XTS5000 Secure Lock
- Replies: 23
- Views: 5053
Re: XTS5000 Secure Lock
This is good information. If you find yourself in possession of a CCI labelled radio, even if it does not have a Type 1 algorithm in it, and you can't provide a receipt or get repaid via Paypal or other means, your best course of action is probably to just quietly drop the radio off at your local FB...
- Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:26 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: XTS5000 Secure Lock
- Replies: 23
- Views: 5053
Re: XTS5000 Secure Lock
This may be an old thread but I have relevant info on it. When you power up an XTS that has a type 1 encryption secure module and type 1 capable vocon board in it, it automatically defaults to SECURE LOCK. Press and hold the PTT for a few seconds and the message clears and the radio operates normall...
- Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:20 pm
- Forum: General Motorola Solutions & Legacy Radio Discussion
- Topic: Astro Saber transmitting dead air (Maybe a bad RF board?)
- Replies: 16
- Views: 2851
Re: Astro Saber transmitting dead air (Maybe a bad RF board?)
I think you have an intermittent solder connection somewhere, probably right on the RF deck. If it's a component not covered by those soldered-on shields, reflowing it wouldn't be too tricky. But, if it's under those shields, it gets a bit more complicated. However, I will tell you what I have done ...
- Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:42 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: APX 7500 Mobile Photo Tour
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2163
Re: APX 7500 Mobile Photo Tour
Interesting. When you compare this to, for example, an old Micor mobile radio chassis, it's really impressive how much simpler the physical construction of a modern radio has become. And yet it can do so much more. The drawback, of course, is that serviceability takes a hit. You practically have to ...
- Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:35 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: APX7000 in Action Photos (Warning LOTS of photos)
- Replies: 12
- Views: 3177
Re: APX7000 in Action Photos (Warning LOTS of photos)
To quote Jack Nicholson, as the Joker, in the first Batman movie,
"Where does he get those wonderful toys?"
"Where does he get those wonderful toys?"
- Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:30 am
- Forum: Radio Programming
- Topic: Need a .wav recorder for XTS voice announcements
- Replies: 7
- Views: 2023
Re: Need a .wav recorder for XTS voice announcements
Noticed the date? The problem was solved 14 months ago.
But thanks for the suggestion.
Elroy
But thanks for the suggestion.
Elroy
- Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:54 pm
- Forum: Test Equipment & RF Equipment Alignment
- Topic: Does the GD R8000 actually exist?
- Replies: 22
- Views: 7354
Re: Does the GD R8000 actually exist?
The R8000 that I reviewed did have the MotoTrbo test suite in it. But having no Trbo equipment, I was not able to put it through its paces. I can not give a solid opinion on that feature for that reason. I can only note that it was present.
Elroy
Elroy
- Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:11 am
- Forum: Test Equipment & RF Equipment Alignment
- Topic: Does the GD R8000 actually exist?
- Replies: 22
- Views: 7354
Re: Does the GD R8000 actually exist?
I don't have to like it.
Elroy
Elroy
- Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:12 pm
- Forum: Test Equipment & RF Equipment Alignment
- Topic: Does the GD R8000 actually exist?
- Replies: 22
- Views: 7354
Re: Does the GD R8000 actually exist?
I have to say that I really disagree with the idea of making expensive test equipment dependent on a cheap but complicated PC operating system. The older computer-based equipment that had its own unique and application-specific operating software, such as any of your older HP spectrum analyzers, or ...
- Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:50 am
- Forum: Test Equipment & RF Equipment Alignment
- Topic: Does the GD R8000 actually exist?
- Replies: 22
- Views: 7354
Re: Does the GD R8000 actually exist?
I did a detailed review of an R-8000 several months ago. Our GD rep brought it by and asked me to review it, so I put it through its paces for a week and wrote a long critique of it. As a direct result of my input, they have made some changes to the new version, all aimed at putting the most-used op...
- Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:37 am
- Forum: General Motorola Solutions & Legacy Radio Discussion
- Topic: Saber 1 UHF pair with harsh audio?
- Replies: 2
- Views: 823
Re: Saber 1 UHF pair with harsh audio?
How's the audio processing option set? It's been a long time since I programmed a Saber but they have an audio processing feature which cuts out low frequencies at high volume settings, and it's adjustable via the RSS. When it kicks in, audio IS rather harsh but it's more clear without the lower fre...
- Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:03 pm
- Forum: Base Stations, Repeaters, General Infrastructure
- Topic: Trunk system customer loading vs. number of site repeaters
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1756
Re: Trunk system customer loading vs. number of site repeaters
The system in question would not be subject to regulation by the FCC but instead by a differnet regulatory agency as it will not be in the United States or even in North America. I also don't have any experience in specifying a trunked system before. My experience (such as it is) is almost entirely ...
- Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:11 pm
- Forum: Base Stations, Repeaters, General Infrastructure
- Topic: Trunk system customer loading vs. number of site repeaters
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1756
Re: Trunk system customer loading vs. number of site repeaters
It will be a group-based system. There will be little if any need for any private calls or other one-to-one calls. While there will be a lot of fleet<-->dispatch communications, the majority of individual radio users will have to coordinate many of their actions with each other in an extremely timel...
- Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:43 pm
- Forum: Base Stations, Repeaters, General Infrastructure
- Topic: Trunk system customer loading vs. number of site repeaters
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1756
Trunk system customer loading vs. number of site repeaters
It looks like I'm going to be tasked with designing a multi-site Icom IDAS trunking system for one of my customers. I will be responsible for almost all the design work and equipment specifications, and will be pre-assembling the entire system, one site at a time, for testing prior to shipment to th...
- Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:15 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: APX in UHF and FPP
- Replies: 17
- Views: 3769
Re: APX in UHF and FPP
Holy crap, you can top ten grand per radio! Motorola, YOU ARE INSANE. Not only that, but for all that you can't match Harris, Thales, and Racal and put VHF, UHF, and 700/800 in the SAME radio? Consider my mind offically BOGGLED. All of Motorola's competitors will have a major league field day with t...
- Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:00 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
- Replies: 60
- Views: 22483
Re: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
Going back to square one, I explored TPS first. I'm using a VHF 5K III model which has CAI enabled along with voice channel announcement and not much else. I'm making NO assumptions at all. Starting over. Forgetting what I know or THINK I know, just to avoid going down the wrong path or failing to g...
- Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:40 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
- Replies: 60
- Views: 22483
Re: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
You're right, there are no dead certainties with Motorola equipment. Particularly in the high tier public safety products, there are so many ways to configure, properly or improperly, any given radio or system that any absolute statement should only be made after extensive research. For example, Mot...
- Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:19 am
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
- Replies: 60
- Views: 22483
Re: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
Why don't you go ahead and just mention me by name? Don't hide behind veiled references or obvious ones.
I'm exploring the question. I want to be dead certain of my reply when I give it.
I'm exploring the question. I want to be dead certain of my reply when I give it.
- Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:49 am
- Forum: General Motorola Solutions & Legacy Radio Discussion
- Topic: Multi-channel DC or tone remote systems...got a suggestion?
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2120
Re: Multi-channel DC or tone remote systems...got a suggestion?
Customer requirements are for new equipment, and it has to be something we can get. That Motorola console may not be
available to us as we can only deal the Radius line of products at this time.
Elroy
available to us as we can only deal the Radius line of products at this time.
Elroy
- Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:50 am
- Forum: General Motorola Solutions & Legacy Radio Discussion
- Topic: Multi-channel DC or tone remote systems...got a suggestion?
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2120
Re: Multi-channel DC or tone remote systems...got a suggestion?
The single radio per channel and multiline remote option is the one that's planned. I've checked into some options
and it looks like our answer is with Zetron. We're a Zetron dealer anyway, so this makes for a neat and simple answer.
Elroy
and it looks like our answer is with Zetron. We're a Zetron dealer anyway, so this makes for a neat and simple answer.
Elroy
- Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:39 am
- Forum: General Motorola Solutions & Legacy Radio Discussion
- Topic: Multi-channel DC or tone remote systems...got a suggestion?
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2120
Multi-channel DC or tone remote systems...got a suggestion?
I have a customer whose needs are evolving. They're going to be going to at least six traffic channels soon and there's a need for at least one site to be able to monitor them all at once. Though there are several ways to proceed, the first one I want to investigate is DC or tone remote system optio...
- Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:31 am
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
- Replies: 60
- Views: 22483
- Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:22 am
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
- Replies: 60
- Views: 22483
Re: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
It's doubtful that I'll actually do that because I wouldn't waste my money on a 2500. I don't care for them. It's all pretty academic to me anyway. We're taking about features that aren't very useful if you aren't a NY fireman anyway. Might as well discuss the merits of MODAT. :lol: But, if I do run...
- Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:19 am
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
- Replies: 60
- Views: 22483
Re: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
The 2500 DOES have that option. The 5000 does NOT, UNLESS it's using SP software with SP code written to support it. Which is technically possible, and I guess NYFD is a big enough customer that Motorola might develop those things for them upon demand. But SP product support is limited to the custom...
- Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:46 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
- Replies: 60
- Views: 22483
Re: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
No, the FDNY toneset is not supported in the firmware for the XTS5000. You could have the development software for the radio and enable EVERY feature and it STILL would not work on a 5K. If your flashcode was FFFFFF-FFFFFF-F and you had version 14 code you still wouldn't have it. (The CPS would cras...
- Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:40 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: XTS 5K ADP and DES-XL ???
- Replies: 16
- Views: 2598
Re: XTS 5K ADP and DES-XL ???
It does allow you to have ADP enabled while that channel is able to receive and transmit in the clear in analog mode. Engage the encryption feature and you will still be able to receive in analog mode OR an ADP-encrypted signal, which is carried on a CAI framework. Though ADP is digital based, the p...
- Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:15 pm
- Forum: Test Equipment & RF Equipment Alignment
- Topic: A question for senior techs out there
- Replies: 16
- Views: 4835
Re: A question for senior techs out there
This is my second attempt to reply here. I've noted that in the past two days, two of my replies have gone missing. I suspect that one or more of the mods isn't thrilled with me. Well, the feeling might be mutual. Anyway... methinks Elroy forgot that I lead the design team on the 2975, and worked cl...
- Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:43 pm
- Forum: Test Equipment & RF Equipment Alignment
- Topic: A question for senior techs out there
- Replies: 16
- Views: 4835
Re: A question for senior techs out there
True, but such things can occasionally be licensed for a reasonable fee, if you're a good negotiator.
Elroy
Elroy
- Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:05 pm
- Forum: Test Equipment & RF Equipment Alignment
- Topic: A question for senior techs out there
- Replies: 16
- Views: 4835
Re: A question for senior techs out there
I'm a big fan of the "record, edit, playback" school of thought for something like this. Set up your first test, record it as step one, with a range of acceptable parameters displayed for the benefit of the test technician, (graphically is ideal), then set up the second test, same deal, th...
- Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:14 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
- Replies: 60
- Views: 22483
Re: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
Elroy, I think you may be confusing FDNY Emergency TX/RX Toneset with TPS Signaling. Both are SP features for FDNY. No ASTRO25 radio that I've ever seen supported the "FDNY Emergency TX/RX Toneset". There's no menu option for it. Even in a whored-out fully flashed radio. I think it's a fe...
- Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:19 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
- Replies: 60
- Views: 22483
Re: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
It's still just another pointless "roger beep" if you aren't actually USING the signalling. Sorry, but to the rest of the world, it IS lame. I'm just telling the absolute truth here, and not holding back on it.
Elroy
Elroy
- Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:00 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: XTS 5K ADP and DES-XL ???
- Replies: 16
- Views: 2598
Re: XTS 5K ADP and DES-XL ???
akardam wrote:No, that's pretty much just you.Elroy Jetson wrote:Now we're splitting hairs.
I'd expect that kind of snippy comment from you. How old are you, anyway?
Elroy
- Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:44 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
- Replies: 60
- Views: 22483
Re: TPS Signaling - FDNY type of signaling
FDNY signalling: It's the new MODAT! Your radio can make pointless noises that only a true radio geek thinks is cool. :lol: But everybody else on the channel just thinks "Why is that retard transmitting annoying tones on every transmission?" Truth. FDNY signalling and modat ARE NOT COOL to...
- Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:28 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: XTS 5K ADP and DES-XL ???
- Replies: 16
- Views: 2598
Re: XTS 5K ADP and DES-XL ???
Now we're splitting hairs. Secure transmissions (DVP, DES, DVP-XL, DES-XL) are by definition digital transmissions. They're not transmitted within the
context of a P25 CAI transmission scheme, but they are digital, nonetheless.
Elroy
context of a P25 CAI transmission scheme, but they are digital, nonetheless.
Elroy
- Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:35 am
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: XTS 5K ADP and DES-XL ???
- Replies: 16
- Views: 2598
Re: XTS 5K ADP and DES-XL ???
My understanding is that its software or hardware encryption (IIRC from CPS). If you need ADP and DES, you need the combo hardware module. ADP will also only work on a digital channel (no analog!) Not precisely true. My 5K has ADP and it is selectable on non-digital channels. The configuration: RX ...
- Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:50 am
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: Tantalizing...
- Replies: 11
- Views: 4035
Re: Tantalizing...
Yes, I've tried that and it was...interesting. But the commands are anything but in plain English. It appears that the CPS downloads the radio a block at a time, with specific commands for each block. "Download from 00000000 to 00000fff", then "download from 00001000 to 00001fff"...
- Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:33 pm
- Forum: Radio Programming
- Topic: Saber III Problems
- Replies: 7
- Views: 1644
Re: Saber III Problems
You've got a bad memory chip in that radio, I think. It might respond well to an appointment with a hot air soldering system if it's a bad solder joint, which IS possible. I'd be sure to check and maybe swap out the flex circuit between the radio and the display board. If it's bad on just one path i...
- Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:17 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: Diference between two FPP types?
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2243
Re: Diference between two FPP types?
What, no comment now that I backed up my statement? You could at least say thanks for me giving you that one.
Elroy
Elroy
- Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:52 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: Scanning ASTRO25 systems in talkgroup scan
- Replies: 93
- Views: 38384
Re: Scanning ASTRO25 systems in talkgroup scan
I did figure out the voice problem I was experiencing. It would appear that certain users are using ADP while others are not. My own experiments with ADP-enabled and non-ADP-enabled radios talking together (with the ADP-enabled radio in ADP mode) give identical results to what I'm hearing. I can't b...
- Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:31 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: Tantalizing...
- Replies: 11
- Views: 4035
Re: Tantalizing...
Oh yeah...to clarify this a little bit...I haven't yet made much progress on using HyperTerminal to explore the radio. I'm not out to tease anybody with a fragment of knowledge while holding back the rest. For me, investigating the radio with HT is a new challenge, brought about by using HT with M/A...
- Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:12 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: Diference between two FPP types?
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2243
Re: Diference between two FPP types?
Motorola Online account:
Item Number. NNTN7526A
APX7000 FPP HW KEY (DONGLE)
Unit of Measure: EA
Lead time (days) 5 Available Y List price 37.00 Your price 32.12
There ya go!
Elroy
Item Number. NNTN7526A
APX7000 FPP HW KEY (DONGLE)
Unit of Measure: EA
Lead time (days) 5 Available Y List price 37.00 Your price 32.12
There ya go!
Elroy
- Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:36 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: Diference between two FPP types?
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2243
Re: Diference between two FPP types?
More good info to keep on file. And that's not that bad a price, considering. Thanks! I'm a bit mystified, though...as I understand it, the FPP dongle for the APX7000 is about 30 bucks. I would have guessed the 5K version to be about the same. Oh well, when someone UNDERSTANDS how Motorola sets its ...
- Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:33 pm
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: Tantalizing...
- Replies: 11
- Views: 4035
Re: Tantalizing...
There are risks in every enterprise. And a 5K can always be recovered.
- Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:27 am
- Forum: Legacy Batboard Motorola ASTRO (VSELP/IMBE/AMBE) Equipment Forum
- Topic: Diference between two FPP types?
- Replies: 8
- Views: 2243
Re: Diference between two FPP types?
Cool, thank you for that info. It's much appreciated. I'm asking because I want to know which option I would be better off with when I find the radio with FPP in it that I'll buy. Since I have no need for trunking at all, particularly on VHF, either version should be just fine. The dongle is like 30...