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Analog Spectra Keyload Fail

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Analog Spectra Keyload Fail

Postby jckrarup » Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:38 am

Hello board,

I thought this was going to be an easy one, but i am out of ideas on how to get closer a solution.

One of my mid power VHF analog spectras (D43KXA7JA4AK) is unable to have a key loaded. Right after pressing the load on the 3011DX, it reports "fail".

I have exchanged the Front panel, Riser, Encryption Carrier and Hybrid with another Spectra just like it and the problem stays with the radio. My conclusion was that the fault had to be related to the command board - probably the 4 lines connecting the encryption hybrid with the microphone socket.

I traced the 4 keyload lines from the microphone socket to the command board 24 pin header for the encryption carrier. If pin 1 is at the upper left, then 1->10, 2->15, 3->24 and 4->11 - They are absolutely fine.

I checked the codeplug of both radios and they were identical: XL encryption enabled, Internal Securenet module, Dual hybrid disabled.

Can anyone guide me in the right direction?

Thanks for your help

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Re: Analog Spectra Keyload Fail

Postby twowaytekk » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:53 am

Have you swapped the command board? I have seen modified command boards that had traces modified for special applications.

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Re: Analog Spectra Keyload Fail

Postby spectragod » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:08 am

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Re: Analog Spectra Keyload Fail

Postby jckrarup » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:05 am

Thanks for the quick replys :-)

I haven't swapped the command board - After removing the 5 screws, I was in doubt on how to disengage the rear connector - I was afraid that I might ruin something by pulling it, since the connector inside the PA seemed not be be firmly fixated. Should I just go ahead and yank it harder ? I have tinkered a lot with sabers for the last 15 years, but this is the first time i have opened up a spectra.

Provided that I found a spare command board, I suppose that I would have to do a complete alignment ? I don't have the equipment for that, so I kind of hoped that I could bring the original board back to life, but the usual treatment with re-soldering the connector joints and plenty of contact spray did absolutely nothing.

The radio used to work and accept a key, some years ago before it went onto the shelf ;-)

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Re: Analog Spectra Keyload Fail

Postby d119 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:58 am

Bad capacitors.

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Re: Analog Spectra Keyload Fail

Postby jckrarup » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:41 am

I considered that, but dismissed it since everything else seem to be in order - tx/rx works, audio is fine.

However, following your comment and since they were probably due for retirement, I decided to exchange C456, C459, C460 and C462 - I do not have a schematic, so this is based on the article on repeaterbuilder, covering the Spectra command board.

It didn't have any effect and I am still unable to load a key. The keyloader, encryption hybrid and carrier are known good.



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Re: Analog Spectra Keyload Fail

Postby Jim202 » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:47 am

To remove the control board, you will need to take the PA off the main chassis. One of the screws is accessible from the rear of the heat sink on the dash mount radios. The second screw is behind the output filter inside the PA. To get to it, you need to remove the outer cover by taking off the 4 screws. Then pull off the press fit cover. Remove the small rectangle cover over the filter. Then you can get at the second screw.

Once the PA is separated from the rest of the radio a short distance, you can have access to the black connector at the rear of the board.

When you change the board, your going to get an error that says the serial numbers don't match. It will take lab software to be able to correct this serial number problem. Or a version of the software that will let you go in and change the information one location at a time to correct it. Generally if you have a version that lets you get to the MOFLAG settings, you will be able to correct the serial number in the service aid section.

I would also check the model number in the software and not just by the model number on the tag to see if it has encryption. If not, that may be the reason your having problems. Again you should be able to correct this through the service aid software if you have the correct version.


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