Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
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Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
Hello everyone,
After investing a great deal of money into Motorola TRBO equipment I decided to look inside one of the XPR 8300 repeaters and took some photos of the inside of the repeater. I hope you all enjoy.
FRONT OF THE REPEATER
REAR OF THE REPEATER
TOP OF THE REPEATER
TRANSMITTER
RECEIVER
CONTROLLER BOARD 1
CONTROLLER BOARD 2
TRANSMITTER ANTENNA
RECEIVER ANTENNA - INTERESTING IT IS A BNC AND NOT AN N FEMALE
BATTERY BACKUP
ACCESSORY CONNECTOR
I have 2 on the air right now on my com system, and have installed 8 in Casinos in Las Vegas, they love em!!
[Turned off the disable BB Code option on the post, photos should display ok now. -Alex] Thanks Alex!!
After investing a great deal of money into Motorola TRBO equipment I decided to look inside one of the XPR 8300 repeaters and took some photos of the inside of the repeater. I hope you all enjoy.
FRONT OF THE REPEATER
REAR OF THE REPEATER
TOP OF THE REPEATER
TRANSMITTER
RECEIVER
CONTROLLER BOARD 1
CONTROLLER BOARD 2
TRANSMITTER ANTENNA
RECEIVER ANTENNA - INTERESTING IT IS A BNC AND NOT AN N FEMALE
BATTERY BACKUP
ACCESSORY CONNECTOR
I have 2 on the air right now on my com system, and have installed 8 in Casinos in Las Vegas, they love em!!
[Turned off the disable BB Code option on the post, photos should display ok now. -Alex] Thanks Alex!!
Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
Holy Schnikies! That's cool. What kind of features does it have?
Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
The repeater has the following features
403-470 Mhz
100% Continious Duty
Backup Battery Charging and Access
Single Analog PL/DPL accesss Single User
Dual Channel TDMA (Slot 1 and Slot 2) for true two channel conversations (Dual User)
Ethernet for Future features, Site Linking is one
Possible LTR, Passport, External Controller ?.
However you cant have analog and digital at the same time, the repeater is either analog or digital but not both.
This is a great radio. It will be replacing my 1225's.
403-470 Mhz
100% Continious Duty
Backup Battery Charging and Access
Single Analog PL/DPL accesss Single User
Dual Channel TDMA (Slot 1 and Slot 2) for true two channel conversations (Dual User)
Ethernet for Future features, Site Linking is one
Possible LTR, Passport, External Controller ?.
However you cant have analog and digital at the same time, the repeater is either analog or digital but not both.
This is a great radio. It will be replacing my 1225's.
Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
You've got to be [I can't read the rules] me... It's two mobiles? Jeez... Talk about cutting corners.
I'd wager that thing isn't even manufactured by Motorola, but by some contractor... That, or they've completely revamped their engineering staff and NOBODY from days of yore are left.
I'll be VERY interested to see if that thing truly can handle 100% continuous duty cycle. Put a good load on it and drop it in transmit for a week. If it still makes rated power, I'll be very surprised.
I'd wager that thing isn't even manufactured by Motorola, but by some contractor... That, or they've completely revamped their engineering staff and NOBODY from days of yore are left.
I'll be VERY interested to see if that thing truly can handle 100% continuous duty cycle. Put a good load on it and drop it in transmit for a week. If it still makes rated power, I'll be very surprised.
Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
Not necessarily. It's all about cooling, and by the looks of it, this machine moves a lot of air over the transmitter.d119 wrote:You've got to be [I can't read the rules] me... It's two mobiles? Jeez... Talk about cutting corners.
There are very busy SYNTRX repeaters out there that are still on the air now without any problems, after running for 20 years under very heavy duty cycles. They're built in a very similar manner to this.
Or they're trying to make the gear semi-affordable to small business. If you want Quantar style design, you pay Quantar prices.d119 wrote:I'd wager that thing isn't even manufactured by Motorola, but by some contractor... That, or they've completely revamped their engineering staff and NOBODY from days of yore are left.
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Well yes it lookes like two mobiles. Apparently this is going to be the package from here on out, according to Motorola. The repeater runs very cool. The large fan on the back behind the Transmitter runs faster when the PA gets warm. The repeater is made in Mylasia for Motorola and is not contracted out, everything is done in house. Hey if the CDM Mobiles work 100% duty cycle then I dont see why this radio will not do the same. I have several CDR repeaters which are used as DATA radios which are 100% keyed all of the time, and heve been keyed up for over 6 years continiously barring the PM's, Also the National Weather Service in the US uses a great deal of the CDM 750's for their NOAA weather radio transmitters without problems. I think Motorola Thought this thru and did a very good job. I did demo the equipment on one of my data channels and it worked flawless. Frequency stability was great, Receiver selectivity was great, Power output was very stable, and not to mention the receiver sensitivity is great as well .18 for 12db which was better than the advertised .3 and .22. A very hot receiver, I also use preselector filter's for all of my receivers to keep out adj channel crud. I have not tested the Motorola preselector because I allready have EMR stuff at the sites.
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At least the power supply IS made in the U.S.A. by a very good company who knows how to make a good power supply....
Looks like a TNC connector for the TX...
Looks like a TNC connector for the TX...
Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
What does the ethernet interface do?
Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
It's probably for the GPS and Messaging/Dispatch options that are available on the platform.mr.syntrx wrote:What does the ethernet interface do?
-Alex
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Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
It's a nice package and looks like it's easy to work on. I'm curious to know how the repeater holds up to heavy-duty use at full rated power.d119 wrote:You've got to be [I can't read the rules] me... It's two mobiles? Jeez... Talk about cutting corners.
I'd wager that thing isn't even manufactured by Motorola, but by some contractor... That, or they've completely revamped their engineering staff and NOBODY from days of yore are left.
I'll be VERY interested to see if that thing truly can handle 100% continuous duty cycle. Put a good load on it and drop it in transmit for a week. If it still makes rated power, I'll be very surprised.
Sanyo Denki makes the big fan and Sanyo Denki is one of the better quality fan manufacturers. It's likely a ball bearing model and should last a long time. Does this fan have a thermistor and it's own speed control circuitry? If it does, the fan speed is determined by and directly proportional to the airflow temperature. If no thermistor on the fan, it's probably controlled by circuitry somewhere on the main repeater board.
From looking at the pics, the power supply is outsourced, made by DuraComm. I've seen their stuff before and it's OK. What makes me a bit nervous about it is the cheap fan used in the power supply. It's made by SUNON and is probably a sleeve bearing fan, like other SUNON fans I've seen. The fan can last as long as a ball bearing fan, provided it's mounted vertically. If you mount the repeater in a rack that tips the box up or down so the fan operates more horizontally, the lubrication will settle to one end and can lead to premature failure. Sleeve bearing fans in general are only good in applications where they are vertically mounted, like in a PC chassis. Ball bearing fans OTOH can be safely used in any orientation without worry about accelerated bearing wear.
Nice package but I see the fans as being the least reliable parts of the system.
David Sterrett
Nashua, NH
Ham [HA] = N1DAS (2/1984)
GMRS [ZA] = KAE9013 (12/1992)
Nashua, NH
Ham [HA] = N1DAS (2/1984)
GMRS [ZA] = KAE9013 (12/1992)
Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
Also maybe Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP)?alex wrote:It's probably for the GPS and Messaging/Dispatch options that are available on the platform.mr.syntrx wrote:What does the ethernet interface do?
-Alex
David Sterrett
Nashua, NH
Ham [HA] = N1DAS (2/1984)
GMRS [ZA] = KAE9013 (12/1992)
Nashua, NH
Ham [HA] = N1DAS (2/1984)
GMRS [ZA] = KAE9013 (12/1992)
Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
Those were my thoughts too.n1das wrote:Nice package but I see the fans as being the least reliable parts of the system.
Hopefully the machine has fan, temperature, power etc alarms.
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The transmit connector is an N Female. The Ethernet is going to be used to link sites together over IP, and future enhancements, no GPS data this I know. So I am told by developers.
Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
Give it the multi-day continuous keydown test!!!!!USGOVTECH wrote:The transmit connector is an N Female. The Ethernet is going to be used to link sites together over IP, and future enhancements, no GPS data this I know. So I am told by developers.
Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
Also do the multi-day continuous keydown test in a hot environment, like in the 40C (104F) to 55C (141F) ambient temperature range. This simulates long-term operation in a *HOT* equipment room at a site where the building's A/C has failed or is nonexistent and all the equipment has heated the room up to these temps. What ambient temp range is the repeater rated for?d119 wrote:Give it the multi-day continuous keydown test!!!!!USGOVTECH wrote:The transmit connector is an N Female. The Ethernet is going to be used to link sites together over IP, and future enhancements, no GPS data this I know. So I am told by developers.
David Sterrett
Nashua, NH
Ham [HA] = N1DAS (2/1984)
GMRS [ZA] = KAE9013 (12/1992)
Nashua, NH
Ham [HA] = N1DAS (2/1984)
GMRS [ZA] = KAE9013 (12/1992)
Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
The more I look at the pics, the more I want one.
* DROOL *
* DROOL *
David Sterrett
Nashua, NH
Ham [HA] = N1DAS (2/1984)
GMRS [ZA] = KAE9013 (12/1992)
Nashua, NH
Ham [HA] = N1DAS (2/1984)
GMRS [ZA] = KAE9013 (12/1992)
Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
Uhh...the power supply says it's "Made in Taiwan" according to the label on the supply. That would explain the cheap SUNON fan used which I suspect is a cheap sleeve bearing model like what's used in many desktop PCs. The power supply company is a USA company but the supply appears to be built in Taiwan.Will wrote:At least the power supply IS made in the U.S.A. by a very good company who knows how to make a good power supply....
Looks like a TNC connector for the TX...
David Sterrett
Nashua, NH
Ham [HA] = N1DAS (2/1984)
GMRS [ZA] = KAE9013 (12/1992)
Nashua, NH
Ham [HA] = N1DAS (2/1984)
GMRS [ZA] = KAE9013 (12/1992)
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Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
Pretty neat. Maybe in 20 years I'll get to play with one
Surprised nobody noticed the model number of that power supply... PMPN4001A.
Surprised nobody noticed the model number of that power supply... PMPN4001A.
kanabecsys - short for Kanabec Systems, of course!
Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
Here's another trick to try: Simulate a failed fan condition during a multi-day continuous keydown test.n1das wrote:Also do the multi-day continuous keydown test in a hot environment, like in the 40C (104F) to 55C (141F) ambient temperature range. This simulates long-term operation in a *HOT* equipment room at a site where the building's A/C has failed or is nonexistent and all the equipment has heated the room up to these temps. What ambient temp range is the repeater rated for?d119 wrote: Give it the multi-day continuous keydown test!!!!!
1. Turn OFF power to repeater.
2. Jam a long screwdriver through the big fan between the blades to prevent the fan from turning.
3. Turn power ON again and perform a multi-day continuous keydown test.
There's no need to worry about damaging the fan in this test. The fan motor automatically shuts down to protect itself during a locked rotor condition. The protection circuitry will automaticall reset iself in a few seconds and try to start the fan up again. It will shut down again and the cycle will repeat since the rotor is still locked by the screwdriver. The fan can safely operate indefinitely in this mode because of the automatic locked rotor protection.
A failed fan test is also a test done by the product safety regulatory agencies (UL, CSA, TUV, etc.) during their lab tests for safety regulatory approvals on the repeater. The repeater *should* survive this test but with no guarantees about the RF output. The safety agencies probably don't care if the RF output dies due to overheating as they're only testing to be sure there's no product safety hazard created due to overheating because of a failed fan.
If the repeater survives a multi-day continuous keydown test in a hot ambient environment or with a dead fan, or better yet, survives in a hot environment AND with a dead fan, it *should* be reliable in the field. If it survives these torture tests, it should be reliable shouldn't die in the field due to heat buildup in normal operation.
*DROOL* I want one!
David Sterrett
Nashua, NH
Ham [HA] = N1DAS (2/1984)
GMRS [ZA] = KAE9013 (12/1992)
Nashua, NH
Ham [HA] = N1DAS (2/1984)
GMRS [ZA] = KAE9013 (12/1992)
Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
Do you have any Hi-Res pictures of the MotoTRBO portable radios?
I've yet to see any good ones.
I've yet to see any good ones.
Re: Motorola TRBO Repeater XPR 8300 Pictures
Will this be available in VHF ?