MCS2000 190-235 MHz VHF radio, prog issue

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I've searched for a related post and can't find one, so here goes.

I'm trying to read an MCS2000 Model I radio and having problems. When I click "read", the radio display goes to "CSQ" and CPS says "Reading Device". Then the MCS2000 splash screen comes up showing CPS version, etc, adn then I get an error msg stating "Error reading from image when attempting to unpack block Radio Wide Unpack failed."

I've tried to read the radio multiple times with the same result each time.

CPS version R02.02.00
radio model # M01MHL9PW4AN

Looks like the radio manufacture date was around 2000, according to some stickers.

I was hoping this would make a good 220 MHz amateur unit, but I haven't been able to read it yet. Any thoughts out there.

Thx.
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I've never heard of that band split for an MCS 2000. Is this a US or EU/etc radio?
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I think it's one of the Indonesian MCS's showing up on e-bay.

Your probably using U.S. MCS software, good luck trying to track down the correct version.

They look like nice radios for 220 ham use but I stayed away from them for this reason.

Always check required software and availability before buying anything on e-bay, but of course it's too late now.


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incorrect software, either it's the wrong cps region code or your software is too old for the codeplug. but if it was too old it would probablly tell you that so you are probablly SOL since you won't be able to buy that cps around here
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So it's part of the MOF230 line or what?

Try the European MCS series software... Not sure what it's called.

I'd pick one of these up, but $60 shipping? They aren't that heavy.

I'll stick with my CDM.
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I guess you already tried DOS RSS? It can sometimes be more forgiving of codeplug errors and it definitely doesn't care about "regions."

I took the plunge on one of these radios too.. will update when it gets to me.
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Well I'll buy one if you guys figure out the mystery... PLEASE keep us posted!
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Got mine today. Here's what I've found so far:
-This is definitely a different creature. There is no FCC ID (not surprising) on the serial tag and under "Mfg Code" where the flashcode would be, it just says "NONE."
-Nothing in the MCS family will read these guys. The error thrown out by CPS is because it doesn't recognize the model number, and DOS RSS thinks it's an uninitialized radio.
-You can read out s-records and unpacked archives with MTSX Lab. Trying to open an unpacked archive with regular RSS results in "Codeplug too new.." and Windows CPS throws out the original error.
-Wookie will read and unpack it, but won't write back because, again, the model number isn't in its repertoire. Also it displays the frequencies as 100 MHz low (and doesn't recognize the model I control head) so not too terribly useful anyway. However, the features and settings line up with what Wookie expects to see which leads me to believe these radios have more in common with their European counterparts.
-You can't flash one into a MC2100 with the Batlabs method because those radios were only made in midband, VHF, and UHF versions, and only with model II or III control heads.

I also poked around in the codeplug structure. The serial, model number, and displayed mode names are all in plain text, but the frequencies aren't.. and they're not coded with any method we're familiar with.
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...MOF230 software? That's the only thing I can think of that might work on these things.
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motorola_otaku wrote: The serial, model number, and displayed mode names are all in plain text, but the frequencies aren't.. and they're not coded with any method we're familiar with.
The only thing I can thing of is to look for 713FB300, 0B532B80, 0121EAC0, 8C122780, 0E01D0C0, 016694E0, 4A38, or 5BCC in or near the usual places, especially if they're next to each other. If those don't come up, then I'll have to generate another set of numbers.
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Supposedly, this is the part# for the RSS... SDVN4326D

Any ideas??
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A long shot, but anyone have Indonesian region "Radio Shop" contacts? They might be able to point you in the right direction of what exact software this needs.
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motorola_otaku wrote:Got mine today. Here's what I've found so far:
-This is definitely a different creature. There is no FCC ID (not surprising) on the serial tag and under "Mfg Code" where the flashcode would be, it just says "NONE."
-Nothing in the MCS family will read these guys. The error thrown out by CPS is because it doesn't recognize the model number, and DOS RSS thinks it's an uninitialized radio.
-You can read out s-records and unpacked archives with MTSX Lab. Trying to open an unpacked archive with regular RSS results in "Codeplug too new.." and Windows CPS throws out the original error.
-Wookie will read and unpack it, but won't write back because, again, the model number isn't in its repertoire. Also it displays the frequencies as 100 MHz low (and doesn't recognize the model I control head) so not too terribly useful anyway. However, the features and settings line up with what Wookie expects to see which leads me to believe these radios have more in common with their European counterparts.
-You can't flash one into a MC2100 with the Batlabs method because those radios were only made in midband, VHF, and UHF versions, and only with model II or III control heads.

I also poked around in the codeplug structure. The serial, model number, and displayed mode names are all in plain text, but the frequencies aren't.. and they're not coded with any method we're familiar with.
Hey Otaku,

What revision of Wookie did you try?

The seller replied to a question saying they would program with Wookie R02.01

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kj6ko wrote:Supposedly, this is the part# for the RSS... SDVN4326D

Any ideas??
Has anyone tried to order the RSS/CPS yet? Has anyone in the us tried to order non-US software? Escomm, can you get it as a dealer?
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I saw one of these on ebay also...thouth it would be a nice and rare addition to the collection. I asked the seller about programming it and they offered me a copy of the correct cps for $125.00 additional.
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The software they have works. They will sell a copy for 125.00... I bought a few radios from them. Plan to buils a 220 machine and have a radio for the car and the house. One has an issue. When receiving if I turn the volume up it developes a feedback type sound. I am new to this series radio and have not yet searched the forums for similar issues...
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That's good to know about the software working. Does your problem radio feedback through the internal speaker or an external speaker. If external what kind and what model, is it amplified?
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It is the internal speaker, I did not think to try and external speaker on it. I will give that a whirl this afternoon. Also, the issue seems to develope at about 1/3 volume.
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If putting an external speaker on it solves the problem it's almost certainly a microphonics issue. Pop the cover off and make sure all of the Torx screws are snug, then make sure the top metal shield snaps firmly in place when you put it back together. If that doesn't fix it then you probably have cold solder on one or more of the shield cans on the main board.

Something tells me our Southeast Asian brothers didn't get the same level of QC as the domestic product lines get. :lol:
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Thanks for the tips... This is my first go around with MCS 2000 series anything. I assume I can use the tool that I got with one of the remote head kits for a CDM to pop it apart?
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Thats what I use.
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I didn't have good luck with a 403-470 MHz MCS2000 UHF as a 441 MHz link radio. Went back to the trusty GM300 after several audio issues.

I kept the MCS as a backup UHF mobile, and it's always worked good for that. Interested to hear if you're successful making a 220 MHz repeater from 2 MCS2000s.

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I just finished a quicky repeater setup and it works pretty good...

I used the Assy Connector Pinout from the BatLabs MCS page and experimented with the I/O pins and fortunately they were configured with the basic functions I needed.

My hook up is as follows:
RX RADIO -- TX RADIO
10 ANALOG GND -- 10 ANALOG GND
11 FIL AUD OUT -- 24 AUX TX IN2
20 I/O 4 (COS) -- 21 I/O 3 (PTT)

I need to hook up a controller so I have AUDIO LVL control etc... I am going to take my first plunge into ALLStar for this repeater.

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Hi guys. I won't get specific, but it appears the same seller is now offering 220MHz MTS 2000 portables. Maybe folks can get a bit further with these?
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Same software for both...
I picked one of those up as well...
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Well, figured I would post the results of my repeater project to date here since this is where the 220 MCS topic got going...

I used a RLC-1 controller I had laying around and everything is working great. I turned the medium power level down to 12 watts and am using that level for testing. I have a Sinclair duplexer that is giving me 96 db of isolation and 1.25 db of insertion loss. Audio sounds good. I need to play with the de-emphasis settings a little but it is already better than alot of the stuff I hear on the air..

Not bad.

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Got my handheld in yesterday. The MTS2000 label is an obvious fake, and I'm pretty sure the antenna he included is a Chinese knockoff. Kinda makes me wonder what's under the hood. I suspect it will end up requiring realignment since the internal serial number doesn't match the tag.

The software required by these beasts is indeed MOF230 RSS (CPS? it is a Windows product) but it itself is a Wookie variant. It's.. different. Get used to completely rethinking how you program a Jedi radio, because it has nothing in common with normal MCS/MTS RSS or CPS. If you have to create a codeplug from scratch, use the "Internal codeplug from Radio" option under Radio ID or you'll lose your tuning values.

So far there does not appear to be a talkaround option at all, and although you can make the scan list user-editable there doesn't appear to be any option to edit the scan list via a button, switch, or menu item. Oh, and the handheld throws a hissy fit and goes into a self-test loop if you take Squelch off of the ABC switch. Doesn't look like they'll do DPL at all either.. but you CAN do Select-V signalling for hamsexual annoyance purposes.

On the whole, these are some neat and unique radios but at this point I'd have to say I prefer the Waris 220 radios.
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Thanks for posting your experience with the MTS portable. I made a reasonable offer for one, but the counteroffer had me paying $200 total including shipping. No more than I use 220 MHz on a portable, I'll stick with my Kenwood F6A.

You're right about the Wookie and MCS. Definitely a different animal.

Glad to see this thread has been beneficial.
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I'd love to see some pics of the fake label that you are talking about...I assume you mean the one with the model # on it? Just to keep the rest of us on the lookout for crap like that.

I have to agree, the Waris stuff is playing well on 220 MHz.

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motorola_otaku wrote:Got my handheld in yesterday. The MTS2000 label is an obvious fake, and I'm pretty sure the antenna he included is a Chinese knockoff. Kinda makes me wonder what's under the hood. I suspect it will end up requiring realignment since the internal serial number doesn't match the tag.
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Jay wrote:I'd love to see some pics of the fake label that you are talking about...I assume you mean the one with the model # on it? Just to keep the rest of us on the lookout for crap like that.
Not the model/serial tag, no.. the "MTS2000" decal on the front.

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Comparison shot. Guy on the left has a legit decal.
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And while I am happy to report that it contains legitimate Motorola-made guts, it is deaf as a fencepost across most of the band; .32 mV or worse even after completely realigning the receive preselector. Transmit power, audio, and oscillator warp were good, however.
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Hmmm. Thats certainly not the label I am used to. Sorry to hear that the portable isn't quite up to the job.

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Otaku,

Try programming in some other receive frequencies across the radios entire receive range just to see if it receives fine somewhere else.

Not being familiar with the Indonesian MOF individual freq ranges, if there were any, it could have a narrow receive SAW filter that's not even close to 222-225MHz, although at ~.32mV sens it sounds more like a dud preamp, especially since you do have preseslector softpot control.
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mike m wrote:Otaku,

Try programming in some other receive frequencies across the radios entire receive range just to see if it receives fine somewhere else.
The best sensitivity was down around the bottom of the band (210-215 MHz) where it almost worked to spec. The rated bandsplit on the handheld and the MCS mobile is 210-260 MHz.
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Do they say "IMOF" when you turn them on?
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The handheld did. The mobile said " WORKSH". Both are editable in the software.
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So the MTS doesn't WORKSH so well in the amateur band, eh?
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has anyone played with the the MCS-2000 ( 220 Radio ) on the ham band? If so how well does it work? I don't need an HT on 220 I have a GP280 asian radio ( looks like a GP300 ) that works fine after I worked on the mdf but I would be interested in a MSC2000

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n2rld wrote:has anyone played with the the MCS-2000 ( 220 Radio ) on the ham band? If so how well does it work? I don't need an HT on 220 I have a GP280 asian radio ( looks like a GP300 ) that works fine after I worked on the mdf but I would be interested in a MSC2000

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Thanks otaku

All the info was helpfull and i did Decide to get one from the Indonesia ebay seller. now here is my problem, when i read the radio i get two channels and one zone CH1 is 119.0000 RX and TX and CH2 is 121.8800 RX and TX and when i change change CH1 to 224.820 and tab the the next field I see in the Freq of -102.86000 I can't seem to get anything above 200.000 in the the software I think i may have the wrong software but it is Ver 2.01

I am using

Wookie Field programmer

Field programmer for MOBIUS
radio series (Skywalker)

Version beta 2.01
1994

any help would be Appreciated
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n2rld wrote:I am using

Wookie Field programmer

Field programmer for MOBIUS
radio series (Skywalker)

Version beta 2.01
1994
Wrong software. You need the MOF230-specific version of Wookie. The version you have now doesn't recognize the 220 range, which is why your channels are showing up in the VHF range.
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thanks guys

I really hoped the Version i had would work. sense I don't have that version of Wooki.
I guiess I will have to put this radio on the table next year at Dayton.

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Thanks again for all the help
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Just my two cents.
motorola_otaku wrote:
n2rld wrote:I am using

Wookie Field programmer

Field programmer for MOBIUS
radio series (Skywalker)

Version beta 2.01
1994
Wrong software. You need the MOF230-specific version of Wookie. The version you have now doesn't recognize the 220 range, which is why your channels are showing up in the VHF range.
Yes, but Wookie software pack has enough tools to create new
hardware profile.
Read RLC.doc in ..\wookie folder, edit MODEL.rlc in ..\wookie\lib
folder, run RLC.exe. Now you has your model in File>New list.
The main problem is codeplug, but if you has radio you may read
codeplug from radio with CPR.exe (in ..\wookie\lib
folder) and use it as default.
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motorola_otaku said:
Mine tested good on the bench for receive (.19 - .21) but seems a little deaf in the vehicle.. easily overcome with a 5/8-wave base load antenna. If you're planning on running a quarter-wave, though, I'd have to recommend the CDM1550. Transmit is fine. Beware the lack of user-selectable talkaround or low-power or user-editable scan lists though. Also mine seems to ignore the mic hangup clip setting and always stays in carrier squelch receive.
According to specifications, the CDM1550 doesn't go as high as the 222 ham band. What sensitivity values do you come up with with the CDM1550? Will it program that high?
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Stepnjump wrote:
motorola_otaku said:
Mine tested good on the bench for receive (.19 - .21) but seems a little deaf in the vehicle.. easily overcome with a 5/8-wave base load antenna. If you're planning on running a quarter-wave, though, I'd have to recommend the CDM1550. Transmit is fine. Beware the lack of user-selectable talkaround or low-power or user-editable scan lists though. Also mine seems to ignore the mic hangup clip setting and always stays in carrier squelch receive.
According to specifications, the CDM1550 doesn't go as high as the 222 ham band. What sensitivity values do you come up with with the CDM1550? Will it program that high?
220MHz CDM1550 works just fine in the amateur bands, but only in narrowband mode (12.5kHz deviation).
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220MHz CDM1550 works just fine in the amateur bands, but only in narrowband mode (12.5kHz deviation).
What do you mean? Isn't the standard deviation for hams on that band +/- 5 kHz? 5x2=10. 12.5 is a tidy bit more. Why do you call 12.5 kHz narrow deviation?
Sorry, I don't understand. What is the deviation used in commercial bands normally?
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Stepnjump wrote:
220MHz CDM1550 works just fine in the amateur bands, but only in narrowband mode (12.5kHz deviation).
What do you mean? Isn't the standard deviation for hams on that band +/- 5 kHz? 5x2=10. 12.5 is a tidy bit more. Why do you call 12.5 kHz narrow deviation?
Sorry, I don't understand. What is the deviation used in commercial bands normally?
In the US, normal deviation on 220MHz commercial frequencies is 2.5kHz (12.5kHz narrowband channels). On the amateur band, it is 5kHz (25kHz wideband channels).

What I'm saying is that you are forced to run in narrowband mode on the amateur channels using the CDM1550 because there is no software or hardware to support operation in 5kHz mode.

Doesn't seem to affect it much though.
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Oh ok.. I understand. Thank you very much.
I guess the audio sounds more muffled..
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Nothing like bringing back a good thread from the dead....Guess that is what batboard is good for - years of information.

I have a couple of MOF 230 mobiles that have been sitting on the shelf and are as clean as it gets so I would like to try to put them on the air. Like many I have never been able to resolve programming. IMOF wookie won't read or write at all on XP/98/95. 2.01 SKY will read it but doesn't know enough about it to let you write anything back to it (like change the one frequency that is programmed in it!).

I've read the post above about adding the model to wookie by using RLC and believe that I did that properly as well, because it then knows that it is the proper split, model # etc. But still not able to write. Anyone else have any pearls of wisdom to shed on this situation?

Jay
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