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MotoTRBO. You saw it here first!!!!

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:23 pm
by mikegilbert
Hey batlabs.

I spent last night fooling around with my new Motorola XPR4550. Here are some screen (display) shots for you guys to feast on.

Oh, and here's a short video I made today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En8-lRhDoro

I did a dry fit in my car- the radio is DIN size, so I'd imagine there's a nice bracket available.


Enjoy.

-Mike


RSSI Display!!!
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Menu Structure
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Hopefully this isn't developmental FW
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TXT LOL hehe.
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Awesome!
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Size Comparison
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Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:36 pm
by escomm
saw what here first, programmed radios? we've known about trbo (and even seen the demos that fell off the truck) for months ;p

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:46 pm
by mikegilbert
No $h#t escomm- I must have been hiding under a rock or something.

We've all known about it, you are correct.

This is just to give the other 95% of batlabs (non MSS employees/IWCE attendees) a chance to see it working.

Anyway, please enjoy- I guess I'm easily entertained.

-Mike

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:22 pm
by dxon2m
SEXY stuff. I suppose the TMS on the motoTRBO is the same as the TMS on XTS5000?

Thanks for posting mike

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:25 pm
by mikegilbert
I haven't played with the TMS on the TRBO just yet, but it looks more streamlined than the Astro TMS. They're both awesome though.

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:42 pm
by wavetar
The TMS is pretty much the same as the DTR series, if you've played with them.

Hmmph...our demos, as well as the CPS & cables, aren't available to us here in Canada until sometime in March :x Placed the orders though!

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:58 pm
by mikegilbert
I'm hoping this will work with the regular CPS- it doesn't even have a motorola P/N sticker.

Does it take the XTL/PM programming cable?

-Mike

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:24 pm
by RFguy
I'm hoping this will work with the regular CPS- it doesn't even have a motorola P/N sticker.

Does it take the XTL/PM programming cable?

-Mike


Dreamer

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:47 pm
by mikegilbert
HAHA.

I'm being optimistic 8)

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:00 pm
by Johnny Galaga
How hard will it be to get the software and programming equipment ?

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:23 pm
by scanner_freak
sweet pic/vid. Im jelous :P Thanks for sharing 8)

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:36 pm
by escomm
Johnny Galaga wrote:How hard will it be to get the software and programming equipment ?

No harder than any other piece of software. The client that tracks the GPS movements goes for about $1100

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:21 pm
by tvsjr
If it wasn't for that ghey-ass commentary in the background... :lol:

Is that a real radio, or an ABC123?

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:32 pm
by mikegilbert
tvsjr wrote:If it wasn't for that ghey-ass commentary in the background... :lol:

Is that a real radio, or an ABC123?


It's not an ABC123...it's a 0000AAA hahaha.

Model No: M27QPH9LA1AN
Flashcode: 500008-000488-2

Seriously!

The only marking is the motorola label. Doesn't even say XPR!

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:47 pm
by MattSR
I wonder when 4F1E codeplugs will appear lol

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:48 pm
by dxon2m
mikegilbert wrote:Model No: M27QPH9LA1AN
Flashcode: 500008-000488-2


IMBE + SZ + ID Display...mmmmmmm :lol:

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:52 pm
by wavetar
mikegilbert wrote:I'm hoping this will work with the regular CPS- it doesn't even have a motorola P/N sticker.

Does it take the XTL/PM programming cable?

-Mike


What do you mean by "regular CPS"?? I assumed you had it since you posted the pics. The TRBO CPS is part# RVN5115. The cable part numbers are:

Portable programming/service cable – PMKN4013

Portable programming cable – PMKN4012

Mobile front programming cable – HKN6184

Repeater/mobile rear programming/service cable – PMKN4016

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:33 pm
by 60A
I have to say, I'm pretty excited. My work is getting some demo units as soon as our local dealer gets them in! :) Thanks for the video *drool*

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:01 pm
by mikegilbert
wavetar wrote:What do you mean by "regular CPS"?? I assumed you had it since you posted the pics...


Well this is a developmental radio so i don't know if the regular CPS will even talk to it.

I used the test frequencies that were already loaded in the radio for the RX check.

Thanks for the part #'s. I'll be ordering the cable shortly.

More Pictures

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:31 am
by lenny kravitz
Here are anothers pictures.
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Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:28 pm
by 60A
that is a giant microphone, yikes!

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:42 pm
by Rayjk110
Cool!

Looks like the standard full-feature XTL palm mic.

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:55 am
by 60A
Our dealer just got their demos in, and we were first on their list to try them out. I have to say I am pretty impressed. We have them programed for or analog repeater... and they sound clearer then our current ht-1250's. We also have them on a digital simplex channel and the range is pretty excellent. Yay moto!

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:51 pm
by wavetar
Anyone else run into this little 'bug' with the CPS?

I found that the factory programmed digital personality of course works. Now, try deleting the factory analog personality, and manually creating a second, third, fourth, etc, digital channel. By "manually", I mean right-click "Zone 1", and choose "new", "digital channel". It will put them in there...but they will NOT work...you just get an error tone when you attempt to transmit. Doesn't matter if you set it as a repeater channel, or a simplex channel. Also doesn't' matter which "repeater slot" you set it for. This happened with both of my demo portables, and the demo mobile.

I had to erase all but the factory digital personality, then highlight the personality, right-click it, and choose "copy". Then highlight "Zone 1", right-click it, and choose "paste". It will add it as the next channel, and it will then work!

This was with the latest "B" version of the CPS.

What a pain in the @ss...especially when I was trying to program the buggers the night before they were to be showcased at a convention.

Todd

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:46 pm
by Johnny Galaga
I've read other threads on here that it's really hard to get Motorola to sell you the CPS. Is that still true with these new radios?

Does CPS use the same old RIB box as RSS, or is there some other way you're supposed to hook it up to the computer?

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:48 pm
by wavetar
Johnny Galaga wrote:I've read other threads on here that it's really hard to get Motorola to sell you the CPS. Is that still true with these new radios?


The only CPS that people have trouble getting are the Professional Series (HT/CDM), Entry Level Professional Series (CT250/450), and Professional Trunked Series (MTX850/8250, etc) which for whatever reason have their own specific license agreement.

All other CPS/RSS falls under the "general" license agreement that anybody can sign, pay for & obtain.

That said, I don't know which one will apply to the TRBO radios...it's too new to be on the RSS spreadsheet on MOL.

Johnny Galaga wrote:Does CPS use the same old RIB box as RSS, or is there some other way you're supposed to hook it up to the computer?


All TRBO cables are USB based...no serial cables at all (so far, at least).

Todd

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:24 am
by nmfire10
So what are these things designed and intended for? Buisness? Public safety?

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:53 am
by escomm
Business yes... for public safety Motorola would much rather sell you a Quantar and some XTS/XTL radios.... 8)

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:09 am
by Rayjk110
Any idea what MSRP pricing on this stuff is? I would expect portables to be between $400-500, but that's just a rough guess. . .

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:26 am
by escomm
more like $900-1100 for the portables and $800-1000 for the mobiles

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:05 pm
by wavetar
nmfire10 wrote:So what are these things designed and intended for? Buisness? Public safety?


According to the matrix I saw at the Motorola road show in November, they envision these radios to be sort of "upper middle class" in their portfolio. They recommend them for certain types of public safety, such as small to mid-sized municipal police & fire fleets no problem. The physical build quality surpasses the HT/CDM & Commercial series stuff (IP57 & all that), so I'd have to agree. It fills in a large gap between their current platforms & the "Homeland Security" level of the Astro stuff.

I'm going to make this thread a sticky until the info can get moved to the knowledge base...so far it contains pictures, part numbers, CPS bug work arounds, etc.

Todd

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:24 pm
by RESCUE161
I guess plain old P25 IMBE is out for these things? <---- Just a guess...

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:35 pm
by escomm
RESCUE161 wrote:I guess plain old P25 IMBE is out for these things? <---- Just a guess...

Correct, they use TDMA

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:13 pm
by HumHead
...and the AMBE vocoder.

It uses the ETSI-TS102 361-1 protocol. It is an open standard, but not even remotely compatible with P25 Phase I.

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:37 pm
by Grog
Rayjk110 wrote:Any idea what MSRP pricing on this stuff is? I would expect portables to be between $400-500, but that's just a rough guess. . .


:lol: :lol: :lol:

That was a good one.....

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:10 am
by mr.syntrx
wavetar wrote:
nmfire10 wrote:So what are these things designed and intended for? Buisness? Public safety?


According to the matrix I saw at the Motorola road show in November, they envision these radios to be sort of "upper middle class" in their portfolio. They recommend them for certain types of public safety, such as small to mid-sized municipal police & fire fleets no problem. The physical build quality surpasses the HT/CDM & Commercial series stuff (IP57 & all that), so I'd have to agree. It fills in a large gap between their current platforms & the "Homeland Security" level of the Astro stuff.

I'm going to make this thread a sticky until the info can get moved to the knowledge base...so far it contains pictures, part numbers, CPS bug work arounds, etc.

Todd


So at the same sort of market tier where you'd find the MT2000 etc in the ASTRO Saber days?

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:34 am
by mr.syntrx
HumHead wrote:...and the AMBE vocoder.

It uses the ETSI-TS102 361-1 protocol. It is an open standard, but not even remotely compatible with P25 Phase I.


Yep. Different modulation scheme, different vocoder, different framing, different access method, etc.

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:45 am
by HumHead
According to the engineer that I spoke with from /\/\, they are positioning these to be the evolution / replacement for the Professional Series radios, once they are ultimately discontinued.

If I were a betting man, I would guess that we will see the pricing on the two series getting closer and closer as discontinuation of the Professional Series approaches, several years down the line.

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:24 pm
by mikegilbert
escomm wrote:more like $900-1100 for the portables and $800-1000 for the mobiles


Are you sure?

See, I only paid $60 for mine 8)

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:51 pm
by escomm
I got mine for free and I can send mine to the depot for service and will actually get it back.... :lol:

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:02 pm
by Grog
escomm wrote:I got mine for free and I can send mine to the depot for service and will actually get it back.... :lol:


Well, it's a modern /\/\, so it'll probably be needing a depot trip soon anyway :lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:05 pm
by escomm
I think it needs to go already... it doesn't do DTMF! Jk, I don't think it's capable of doing DTMF

FYI, the repeater cannot run in mixed mode, it's either analog or digital and is controllable only by the CPS... though I suppose you could put up two repeaters on the same pair and have one run digital and one run analog.

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:20 pm
by mr.syntrx
The fact that mixed mode is possible on ASTRO base stations doesn't make it a good idea anyway, except maybe on the hammy bands.

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:55 pm
by escomm
mr.syntrx wrote:The fact that mixed mode is possible on ASTRO base stations doesn't make it a good idea anyway, except maybe on the hammy bands.

Yes, but there is about a 1/2 to 3/4 second delay from the time you talk on digital and the time it comes out on everyone else's radio, and sometimes you just have to have realtime comms. So flipping to analog would be nice and convenient for times like that.

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:17 pm
by mr.syntrx
Most digital radios have that DSP lag in analog and digital modes anyway, military gear especially.

Check out the lag in FM on an MBITR sometime.

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:52 pm
by escomm
Thus the need to be able to easily switch to analog for true real time comms 8)

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:38 pm
by Josh
Yeah, use an MT500 or HT1250, or other radios with no DSP to clean up the analog audio.

-Josh

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:06 am
by wavetar
Here's the mobile accessory connector info:



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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:05 am
by Victor Xray
OK Todd, you're nominated to put together the Knowledge Base article for these radios!

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:43 pm
by giardinop
What are the prospects for the "S" bandsplit?

Can you mix TDMA and conventional channels in a Zone?

I like what these radios offer but our EX600s and CDM1250s give us a lot of interoperability (between other Gov'ts on UHF). The "R" bandsplit does not cover enough for us.