Anyone run into a problem with clone RIBs and CPS4? I tried to program up one of our XTS3000's last night with CPS 4.x and my trusty Carolina Radio's RIBs. Wouldn't work. However, the same combo with RSS 9.5 works like a charm. I have used this rib with:
X9000
MT1000
MT2000
Spectra
Saber
Astro Saber
Astro Spectra
XTS3000
And all have worked.
Its a legit copy, and being run with an up to date Win2000 Server OS. CPS 4.x will program up my Astro Spectra and Astro Sabers, but no go with the XTS.
Clone ribs, CPS 4 and XTS3000?
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Clone ribs, CPS 4 and XTS3000?
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ASTROMODAT
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Hello:
YES, you may encounter problems with many clone Rib
Boxes when addressing the High-Tier Radios ! ( period )
I have preached about this issue more than just
a few times and is the major reason I always lean
towards the Motorola Factory Rib Boxes ( B versions )
since they have been a proven performer
for so many years.
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Tech Tip:
Polaris Rib Boxes have a Major Pit Fall ! Even when they are
Brand New they ( may / maynot ) work, but one thing is
FOR SURE. The Ni-Cad Batteries in them ( Will become WEAK )
in 6 ~ 12 Months, and even after a FULL CHARGE, the
Batteries may not have enough power to make the Rib
Function properly
I have discovered Double AA ni-cads just do not live all that
long, and instead of them being a 1.5 Volt Cell, they are always
around 1.0 ~ 1.2 Volts even after a full charge.
ALWAYS make sure to be using a External
Power Source when dealing with Polaris products. NEVER rely
on the Batteries.....I have many cases where these style Ribs
have caused a radio to fail, and require reinitialization.
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I have done "Exactly" the same test with the one you have
and have seen the same problem ( and my Computer is
a super Stable T3200SX ) and I have used it to program
a very large number of radios.
Not once have I had a issue with the T3200SX or the
T4700 Series and using either a Standered Motorola Rib
or Smart Rib.
I realize Clone Ribs many times are attractive do to
the Cheaper Price, but this is a common problem with
many of them as they may work fine with a older radio
products, but may have trouble with the later model Motorola
Radio.
For what its worth, I now have a few cases where a
Cheap Clone Rib has smoked a few Laptops, hence its
not worth the Risk from my point of view.
Older Radios that are 10+ years Old, they do not require
much to Program, BUT since there are variations to styles
of Computers and the RS-232 Protocalls, Seriously, you would
be ahead of the game by just getting the original Motorola
Rib and be done with it.
If perhaps you are interested in a Motorola Original, I do
have a few left.....
Monty
YES, you may encounter problems with many clone Rib
Boxes when addressing the High-Tier Radios ! ( period )
I have preached about this issue more than just
a few times and is the major reason I always lean
towards the Motorola Factory Rib Boxes ( B versions )
since they have been a proven performer
for so many years.
*********************************************
Tech Tip:
Polaris Rib Boxes have a Major Pit Fall ! Even when they are
Brand New they ( may / maynot ) work, but one thing is
FOR SURE. The Ni-Cad Batteries in them ( Will become WEAK )
in 6 ~ 12 Months, and even after a FULL CHARGE, the
Batteries may not have enough power to make the Rib
Function properly
I have discovered Double AA ni-cads just do not live all that
long, and instead of them being a 1.5 Volt Cell, they are always
around 1.0 ~ 1.2 Volts even after a full charge.
ALWAYS make sure to be using a External
Power Source when dealing with Polaris products. NEVER rely
on the Batteries.....I have many cases where these style Ribs
have caused a radio to fail, and require reinitialization.
===========================================
I have done "Exactly" the same test with the one you have
and have seen the same problem ( and my Computer is
a super Stable T3200SX ) and I have used it to program
a very large number of radios.
Not once have I had a issue with the T3200SX or the
T4700 Series and using either a Standered Motorola Rib
or Smart Rib.
I realize Clone Ribs many times are attractive do to
the Cheaper Price, but this is a common problem with
many of them as they may work fine with a older radio
products, but may have trouble with the later model Motorola
Radio.
For what its worth, I now have a few cases where a
Cheap Clone Rib has smoked a few Laptops, hence its
not worth the Risk from my point of view.
Older Radios that are 10+ years Old, they do not require
much to Program, BUT since there are variations to styles
of Computers and the RS-232 Protocalls, Seriously, you would
be ahead of the game by just getting the original Motorola
Rib and be done with it.
If perhaps you are interested in a Motorola Original, I do
have a few left.....
Monty
Need help on a Program Cable or (/\/\) Rib Box ?
Contact me anytime/All availible / Free Support Info !
mail to: MSisco9939@aol.com
PLease avoid PM's whenever possible. Box gets too full.
Contact me anytime/All availible / Free Support Info !
mail to: MSisco9939@aol.com
PLease avoid PM's whenever possible. Box gets too full.
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ASTROMODAT:
Unfortunitely, this is not entirely correct ![/
I do not think Motorola would "Ever" miss the chance to
sell a 240.00 ~ 300.00 cable or some sort of Interface
for thier radios.
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The XTS5000 still has a Interface between the radio
and Computer, or ( Radio Interface XXX ) its just
" Incorperated " into either the " Cable " or the DB25
Shell. [ just not in a box ] , but now in a Cable Capsule.
Or what may be commonly called a RIC ( Radio Interface Cable )
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And, what is really unfortunite, is that [ $240.00 ] Cable should
ever get damaged, or ever develops a problem, you are SOL.
You have to go out, and buy Another $240.00 cable!
NO Replacement Parts being offered or availible through
Motorola.....
Sad, but true.
This is what is inside the XTS5000 USB Cable
And this is what is inside the new RS-232 Cable
So, there is a "Interface" between the Radio and the Computer and
a price to match.
As I mentioned before, we are developing a few items one
of which is a Multi-Purpose USB / RS-232 which will work with
the XTS5000 and you only will need ( 1 ) cable and it will work
with both computer platforms.
Monty
Hello:Soon, all of these problems with ribs will be academic, and fade into a walk down memory lane. Stop and think about it. Consider the current high tier Motorola front line product line-up: XTS5000, XTL5000, Quantar and the DIU 3000. NONE of these require a rib. Only the older radios.
Unfortunitely, this is not entirely correct ![/
I do not think Motorola would "Ever" miss the chance to
sell a 240.00 ~ 300.00 cable or some sort of Interface
for thier radios.
**********************************************
The XTS5000 still has a Interface between the radio
and Computer, or ( Radio Interface XXX ) its just
" Incorperated " into either the " Cable " or the DB25
Shell. [ just not in a box ] , but now in a Cable Capsule.
Or what may be commonly called a RIC ( Radio Interface Cable )
**********************************************
And, what is really unfortunite, is that [ $240.00 ] Cable should
ever get damaged, or ever develops a problem, you are SOL.
You have to go out, and buy Another $240.00 cable!
NO Replacement Parts being offered or availible through
Motorola.....
Sad, but true.
This is what is inside the XTS5000 USB Cable
And this is what is inside the new RS-232 Cable
So, there is a "Interface" between the Radio and the Computer and
a price to match.
As I mentioned before, we are developing a few items one
of which is a Multi-Purpose USB / RS-232 which will work with
the XTS5000 and you only will need ( 1 ) cable and it will work
with both computer platforms.
Monty
Need help on a Program Cable or (/\/\) Rib Box ?
Contact me anytime/All availible / Free Support Info !
mail to: MSisco9939@aol.com
PLease avoid PM's whenever possible. Box gets too full.
Contact me anytime/All availible / Free Support Info !
mail to: MSisco9939@aol.com
PLease avoid PM's whenever possible. Box gets too full.
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ASTROMODAT
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I certainly prefer the cable over the big, old-fashioned rib box approach. It’s about time we sink that battleship, what with its power requirements, etc! Keep in mind that Motorola is not making these cables for hobbyists, nor Ham radio operators. If you want a $35 programming cable, buy an ICOM ham radio.
A typical customer of these high tier radios is a large municipality, or a Gov't agency of some sort. For example, the 2-Way 800 MHz trunked Motorola system in Seattle cost $70 million for the infrastructure alone, and infrastructure investment is not yet complete (not including tens of millions of additional $'s for subscriber sets). When you look at these kinds of mega-dollars, who the heck cares if you need to buy a handful of $240 cables?! Don't forget the little upgrade cost when Seattle needs to go ASTRO IMBE in a few years. And, soon after that build out, they will need to uplift to the APCO narrow band phase, where they can look forward to replacing all of their radios. In light of these costs, no one could give a care about the price of a few cables.
If a police dept is so small that a $240 cable is a big deal, they should go with ICOM radios and $35 cables. It appears that Motorola is setting itself up to let the off-shore boys (e.g., ICOM, Kenwood, Yaesu, etc.) have these little mom-and-pop markets, while they concentrate on the huge, profitable markets.
I strongly believe that as these front line, high tier radios increase in sophistication, one of two things will happen: 1) You will need to send the radio into The Repair Depot for maintenance/repair (where even today each individual Motorola Test Station has over $2 million of specialized test gear), or 2) You throw the radio away.
In the latter case, consider cell phones. I would argue that a digital CDMA cell phone, with a built in video camera, etc. is way more sophisticated and complex than a state-of-the-art XTS5000.
When is the last time you saw a booming business handling cell phone repairs? Like color TV repair shops, they no longer exist.
Just a sign of the times. Sometimes technology changes our lives, and as humans we tend to dislike change, as it represents uncertainty in our lives (e.g., will I still have my job tomorrow as things change?). We wax nostalgic, but in the end, new technology always has, and always will, win. I recall more than one of my EE Profs bitching about the HP 35 calculator, and touting the virtues of the venerable slide rule.
I would love to have "throw away" P25 portables. The issue is when will the volume ever warrant this? Perhaps Public Safety will continue to use more and more NexTel (and the like), which eventually will have reliability that will meet, and exceed, that of $70 million Public Safety Systems. Either way, Motorola wins! OORAH!!!!
Larry
A typical customer of these high tier radios is a large municipality, or a Gov't agency of some sort. For example, the 2-Way 800 MHz trunked Motorola system in Seattle cost $70 million for the infrastructure alone, and infrastructure investment is not yet complete (not including tens of millions of additional $'s for subscriber sets). When you look at these kinds of mega-dollars, who the heck cares if you need to buy a handful of $240 cables?! Don't forget the little upgrade cost when Seattle needs to go ASTRO IMBE in a few years. And, soon after that build out, they will need to uplift to the APCO narrow band phase, where they can look forward to replacing all of their radios. In light of these costs, no one could give a care about the price of a few cables.
If a police dept is so small that a $240 cable is a big deal, they should go with ICOM radios and $35 cables. It appears that Motorola is setting itself up to let the off-shore boys (e.g., ICOM, Kenwood, Yaesu, etc.) have these little mom-and-pop markets, while they concentrate on the huge, profitable markets.
I strongly believe that as these front line, high tier radios increase in sophistication, one of two things will happen: 1) You will need to send the radio into The Repair Depot for maintenance/repair (where even today each individual Motorola Test Station has over $2 million of specialized test gear), or 2) You throw the radio away.
In the latter case, consider cell phones. I would argue that a digital CDMA cell phone, with a built in video camera, etc. is way more sophisticated and complex than a state-of-the-art XTS5000.
When is the last time you saw a booming business handling cell phone repairs? Like color TV repair shops, they no longer exist.
Just a sign of the times. Sometimes technology changes our lives, and as humans we tend to dislike change, as it represents uncertainty in our lives (e.g., will I still have my job tomorrow as things change?). We wax nostalgic, but in the end, new technology always has, and always will, win. I recall more than one of my EE Profs bitching about the HP 35 calculator, and touting the virtues of the venerable slide rule.
I would love to have "throw away" P25 portables. The issue is when will the volume ever warrant this? Perhaps Public Safety will continue to use more and more NexTel (and the like), which eventually will have reliability that will meet, and exceed, that of $70 million Public Safety Systems. Either way, Motorola wins! OORAH!!!!
Larry