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APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

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APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby RADIO43 » Sun May 01, 2011 5:51 pm

Group,

When looking at the Basic Service Manual for a Full Keypad Dual sided APX7000, it makes reference of a "Optional Board Assembly" (Sec 1:8-14 and Sec 1: 8-36) . The board is mounted just above the "Expansion Board Assembly" (Part # MHLN6977_). Is the "Optional Board Assembly" the Bluetooth Board (Part # NNTN8160AS)? I could not find anywhere in the Basic or Detailed Service Manual that states this.

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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby spectragod » Sun May 01, 2011 5:58 pm

IIRC, the bluetooth assembly is supposed to be built in to the speaker assembly/flex in some fashion, supposedly not field upgradeable.
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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby RADIO43 » Sun May 01, 2011 6:02 pm

This board is right behind the speaker.

Description on Mol is "Item Number. NNTN8160AS APX PORTABLE OPTION BOARD SVC KIT"
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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby kotaguchi » Sun May 01, 2011 6:08 pm

From what I have heard,Motorola wants$155.00 for the part,the Bluetooh module.

Then another $400.00 for the flash upgrade to support the bluetooh option and the labor to install the bluetooh daughter board.

It has to be sent back to Moto for the module installation and the flash code option to be flashed.
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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby RADIO43 » Mon May 02, 2011 11:22 am

Would having the radio flashed for Bluetooth and no Bluetooth Board installed in radio generate a "Hardware board absent" when powering on the radio up?
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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby Pj » Mon May 02, 2011 12:37 pm

I believe the APX6000 (xe?) is coming with the BT board. What is also curious is that those boards are also showing with encyption boards.

My source has that in June or July NNTN8160A (not the AS part) will be the bluetooth board for the existing APX7000's. If it will be a depot only item or not, I do not know.
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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby Pj » Mon May 02, 2011 12:49 pm

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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby jmr061 » Mon May 02, 2011 4:04 pm

I have been told this is more than likely the case. The service manual says it needs to be sent to the depot for this issue. My guess is to replace the bad board or to turn the feature off with depot software.

From what I have been told this is a new error coming up with newer firmware, not sure if that is right or not. It looks like the BT option can be ordered and installed yourself. Personally I don't need the BT option so I will live with the error.

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RADIO43 wrote:Would having the radio flashed for Bluetooth and no Bluetooth Board installed in radio generate a "Hardware board absent" when powering on the radio up?

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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby escomm » Mon May 02, 2011 5:07 pm

BT module part number is MNUK6000BS and was briefly orderable but has been reflagged as depot/factory only and can't be ordered. Radios with BT in the flashcode and enabled in the CP will lead to an option board not present error message on radio bootup but doesn't affect operation. The board is certainly able to be installed in the field.

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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby jmr061 » Mon May 02, 2011 5:23 pm

Isn't NNTN8160AS the part number for the board?

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escomm wrote:BT module part number is MNUK6000BS and was briefly orderable but has been reflagged as depot/factory only and can't be ordered. Radios with BT in the flashcode and enabled in the CP will lead to an option board not present error message on radio bootup but doesn't affect operation. The board is certainly able to be installed in the field.

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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby tvsjr » Mon May 02, 2011 5:32 pm

NNTN8160AS shows APX PORTABLE OPTION BOARD SVC KIT ($200 list) - 3 days, not available currently - but it is orderable.
MNUK6000BS doesn't show up as orderable...

So, is the NNTN8160 everything you need (with the exception of the flash option) to add BT?

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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby Pj » Mon May 02, 2011 5:41 pm

I was told NNTN8160A (not the AS thats is currenty listed). Should be setup in June
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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby jmr061 » Mon May 02, 2011 5:44 pm

Not sure....is BT a flashcode option or somehow else encoded in the radio. I don't think mine has that in the flashcode but I still show the error.

Hell if Jeff wants to try to order it I will be the guinea pig.

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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby escomm » Tue May 03, 2011 7:17 am

I am speaking to the MNUK6000BS part number from experience, it's sitting in my radio but I have been too lazy to mate it with the ruggedized mission critical earpiece, the thing makes my ear hurt and weighs too much anyway. I don't know anything about the service board but I'd be surprised if it ended up supporting bluetooth out of the box. Maybe it's a blank option board or something.

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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby RADIO43 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:38 am

Took a chance on the NNTN8160AS Board.... Will be here tomorrow, will let you know the results!
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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby rc50won » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:12 am

Apparently the NNTN8160AS BT board will only mate with Motorola Bluetooth earpieces. The link between the radio and earpiece is encrypted. I have been trying to mate my APX with various non Motorola bluetooth devices with no luck. One of the factories I work with is Plantronics, so I am pretty sure I know how to do this.

On the APX you will also need this firmware option added:
QA00583 Enable Bluetooth Operation

In CPS under Radio Wide/Bluetooth the Pairing Type option is hard set to LF MPP. If this function were unlocked, my guess is that non Motorola BT devices could be mated.

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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby escomm » Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:05 am

Correct, the APX line uses near field comms and a 128 bit AES link, pretty sure no consumer earpieces will support that. The TRBO unit uses standard BT "encryption." Good to know the NNTN8160 is the correct part number I will need to order some up.

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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby RADIO43 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:44 am

Okay.. Got my NNTN8160AS today and when opened up the box, the Manual that came with the board says its the "Bluetooth Option Board (MNUK6000A) Installation. After installing, I have the Bluetooth Icon on the screen but nowhere can I find a place in the CPS Menu to enable the Bluetooth Options. I am guessing this is due to the radio not being flashed for Bluetooth or my vision is going... Hahaha

Also under Option/Expansion Board in CPS:

Board Name - Bluetooth
Board Tpe - OB01
Board Firmware Version - R01.00.00
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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby rc50won » Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:14 am

Yes you need the option:
QA00583 Enable Bluetooth Operation flash

I now have the wackiest looking radio flash:
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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby jmr061 » Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:03 am

Does adding the board add the option to the flash or is that an upgrade as well?

Mine is not flashed for any option board but yet it comes up with the error looking for one.

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rc50won wrote:Yes you need the option:
QA00583 Enable Bluetooth Operation flash

I now have the wackiest looking radio flash:
9S42P8-011692-5

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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby rc50won » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:08 am

The flash option upgrade is separate. I think the non contract cost is $400.00. Someone please correct me if I am wrong on that.

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KB9KST wrote:Does adding the board add the option to the flash or is that an upgrade as well?

Mine is not flashed for any option board but yet it comes up with the error looking for one.

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rc50won wrote:Yes you need the option:
QA00583 Enable Bluetooth Operation flash

I now have the wackiest looking radio flash:
9S42P8-011692-5

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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby jmr061 » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:44 am

So if I don't have anything in my flash that says I should have it, back to why do I get the error saying it is missing?

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rc50won wrote:The flash option upgrade is separate. I think the non contract cost is $400.00. Someone please correct me if I am wrong on that.

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KB9KST wrote:Does adding the board add the option to the flash or is that an upgrade as well?

Mine is not flashed for any option board but yet it comes up with the error looking for one.

Jason

rc50won wrote:Yes you need the option:
QA00583 Enable Bluetooth Operation flash

I now have the wackiest looking radio flash:
9S42P8-011692-5

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Re: APX7000 "Optional Board Assembly"?

Postby rc50won » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:26 pm

Without the flash optionyou can't get this screen in CPS:

Radio Wide/Bluetooth/
Enable-Tones-Pairing Type-RePair Timer-Drop Timer.

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[quote="KB9KST"]So if I don't have anything in my flash that says I should have it, back to why do I get the error saying it is missing?

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