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5k-XTVA question

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5k-XTVA question

Postby N9LLO » Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:11 am

I drug out my ntn8560E XTVA to use with my XTS5000,s And have a couple of questions. The FPP menu button on the mic doesn't work. You get backlight with keypress but no FPP. One 5K is rev 19.5 and one Rev 20. Codeplug version 23.

Second question. This thing does crazy things with a ntn6034A li-ion impress battery. Is there a fix to get it to work with this battery?

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Re: 5k-XTVA question

Postby spectragod » Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:54 am

FPP won't work with the xtva. I don't believe you are supposed to use lithium's with that unit.
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Re: 5k-XTVA question

Postby N9LLO » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:05 am

10-4 on the FPP. I can live with that but the battery issue might be a deal breaker. I like my 6034 li-ion batteries does anyone know if there is an SRN or other information to get this battery to work?

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5k-XTVA Question

Postby Jim1348 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:30 am

I have been contemplating another battery for my XTS5000. Is the Li-ion better? If so, how so? I can still use the Impress charger, I assume, for the li-ion? I assume that they are more expensive. If so, how much more expensive?

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Re: 5k-XTVA question

Postby Majorkc » Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:01 am

1) The FFP is proprietary to the radio so the XTVA does not have the ability to write to the radio. (If it did i would be on an xts 5k ASAP)

2) The XTVA is an Tri chemistry charger and does work. I've tested it today with one my xts 3k with the Li-ion both the 4100mah NNTN6034A and the Slim 2750mah NNTN4437B batteries . Now with the Slim li Ion battery my xtva does not like to charge and does not detect the status of the charge state.

What Version and Revision of XTVA do you have ?

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Re: 5k-XTVA question

Postby N9LLO » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:07 pm

Well the dude at Motorola parts ID says the XTVA and li-ion batteries dont mix. The XTVA literature makes mention of li-ion compatability. I am thinking it must be the non impress li-ion batteries they used to make. It definitely does not work with the impress li-ions. If anybody has a non impress li-ion battery could you measure the resistance between fhe charging contacts on the left, side looking at the back of the battery contacts down. This tells the charger the battery chemistry. I know 5k is ni-cad and 10k is nimh. The impress li-ion seems to have a diode across those two contacts. Throws the XTVA in a tizzy.

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Re: 5k-XTVA question

Postby fineshot1 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:47 pm

N9LLO wrote:10-4 on the FPP. I can live with that but the battery issue might be a deal breaker. I like my 6034 li-ion batteries does anyone know if there is an SRN or other information to get this battery to work?


According to the XTVA user guide 68P81088C76-B(2002) the xtva is designed to operate with the below motorola batteries. - hope that helps.
NTN8294 Ultra-High Capacity NiCad
NTN8295 Ultra-High Capacity NiCad
NTN8297 Ultra-High Capacity NiCad
NTN8923 Ultra-High Capacity NiMH
NTN8299 Ultra-High Capacity NiMH
RNN4006 Ultra-High Capacity NiMH
RNN4007 Ultra-High Capacity NiMH
HNN9031 Ultra-High Capacity NiCD (Impres)
HNN9032 Ultra-High Capacity NiCD (Impres)
NNTN4435 Ultra-High Capacity NiMH (Impres)
NNTN4437 Ultra-High Capacity NiMH (Impres) or
NTN9862 Ultra-High Capacity Li-ion (Impres)
NOTE: The RNN4006 and RNN4007 Ultra-High Capacity NiMH batteries may not charge to full capacity when in the XTVA.
The XTVA can also charge compatible Lithium-ion batteries. The use of batteries not made by Motorola is not recommended.
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Re: 5k-XTVA question

Postby N9LLO » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:42 pm

MY XTVA is an NTN8560E My batteries are NNTN6034A. With The three batteries I have on 2 XTS5k's when inserted I get both yellow led flashing repeatedly. When I power on the radio they go out and stay out. My old nimh battery works OK. I tried the 6034A on my XTS3000 and I got one yellow flash then nothing.

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Re: 5k-XTVA question

Postby Majorkc » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:37 pm

That is odd im running an XTVA model NTN8560F and no problems with the NNTN6034A battles, I do have an older video on youtube showing me using it and the li ion battery. If only it was not so cold i would make an more current one. Have you tried re-initialize the microprocessor?
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Re: 5k-XTVA question

Postby fineshot1 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:02 am

N9LLO wrote:MY XTVA is an NTN8560E My batteries are NNTN6034A. With The three batteries I have on 2 XTS5k's when inserted I get both yellow led flashing repeatedly. When I power on the radio they go out and stay out. My old nimh battery works OK. I tried the 6034A on my XTS3000 and I got one yellow flash then nothing.

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Chris - per the xtva user guide i sited above on page 5 there are two LED's on the holder unit and the charging LED is the
one closest to the xtva radio pocket. Continuous Red = Charging condition, Radio in xtva. Continuous Green = Fully charged
condition, radio in xtva. Flashing Red = A charging fault condition exists, check radio battery and its charging contacts. If this
condition continues contact your local motorola rep for assistance. Continuous Orange = Radio Battery temperature out of range.
Allow time for the battery to cool down or warm up. No reference to yellow exists for the charging LED. The other LED is the
Radio Mode LED. LED not lit = Standby, Continuous Red = Radio in Transmit Mode, Flashing Red = Radio in channel-busy (conventional mode),
Flashing Green = Private Call Received.
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Re: 5k-XTVA question

Postby fineshot1 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:06 am

fineshot1 wrote:
N9LLO wrote:MY XTVA is an NTN8560E My batteries are NNTN6034A. With The three batteries I have on 2 XTS5k's when inserted I get both yellow led flashing repeatedly. When I power on the radio they go out and stay out. My old nimh battery works OK. I tried the 6034A on my XTS3000 and I got one yellow flash then nothing.

Chris
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Chris - per the xtva user guide i sited above on page 5 there are two LED's on the holder unit and the charging LED is the
one closest to the xtva radio pocket. Continuous Red = Charging condition, Radio in xtva. Continuous Green = Fully charged
condition, radio in xtva. Flashing Red = A charging fault condition exists, check radio battery and its charging contacts. If this
condition continues contact your local motorola rep for assistance. Continuous Orange = Radio Battery temperature out of range.
Allow time for the battery to cool down or warm up. No reference to yellow exists for the charging LED. The other LED is the
Radio Mode LED. LED not lit = Standby, Continuous Red = Radio in Transmit Mode, Flashing Red = Radio in channel-busy (conventional mode),
Flashing Green = Private Call Received. I suspect your battery model did not exist at the time of the 2002 printing of this B version
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Re: 5k-XTVA question

Postby N9LLO » Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:02 am

I guess its orange not yellow that I'm seeing. When you first put the radio in they both flash once fast then charging begins (if the charger recognizes the battery. I am thinking I may need the 8560F version for this to work but I sure would like to see some documentation or other users success story before I source an F version XTVA

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Re: 5k-XTVA question

Postby N9LLO » Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:39 pm

I just bought an ntn8560F on ebay for $45. I will let you all know how it goes in a couple of days


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Re: 5k-XTVA question

Postby wx4cbh » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:12 pm

It's my understanding that F models and up are OK with the Li-ion, and E models and below are not. My F model woks fine with the Li-ion, and the D model I have does not like them.
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Re: 5k-XTVA question

Postby abbylind » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:38 pm

Had a converta com (dating myself) It would flash on charge until you pushed the PTT on the mike then it charged normally...sounds silly but have you tried that?
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Re: 5k-XTVA question

Postby N9LLO » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:58 pm

Just got my F version and it works fine on the Impress Li-ion. I think the older versions would only work on the non impress li-ions

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Re: 5k-XTVA question

Postby Gadget826 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:01 am

Quick question for everyone on this- I am currently wracking my brain troubleshooting why my XTS5000R w/ FPP stopped charging in my newly installed XTVA recently. Ironically the radio works, I have the HHC display mic & it shows the correct information and the radio shows "Remote" in the display when it is in the dock. However, the battery charge lights do not come on at all, the display in the HHC mic does not light up & the audio comes out of the radio, not the external powered speaker. I tried one of my XTS3000 non-display radios & aside from the expected "key fail" in the display everything works fine. Reading everyone's input on this thread leads me to believe I may have a battery issue but my question: are the symptoms I described the same thing everyone else experienced with this problem? Thanks in advance- only thing I haven't tried is swapping the betteries between the 3000 & the 5000 to see if the problem moves with it.
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