HT 1000 Programming
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HT 1000 Programming
Hello, I’m kind of new to this whole Motorola programming thing so do be kind. I was told this was the place to go for any questions on motorola products. I have successfully programmed 2 HT 1000s that I have brought off of ebay. I use an aftermarket rib and everything works great. I recently brought another ht1000 for very cheep and I assumed it would be for parts if it did not work. The radio turns on (it gives the beep) but then the led light blinks red. I can’t seem to read or write to the radio. Any suggestions or help would be appreciated. Do I now have a cool looking paper weight?
well I got the radio back, don’t think he had time to look at it, got a loner instead. I took apart the radio to look at it and it seems to be fine damage wise. I also got my hands on a copy of the lab RSS for the HT 1000 and still cant read or write to the radio. I’m at a loss for words sine I don’t know all that much. I have a few other HT 1000s and they all read and write fine, I’m very confused. So as of now I have a cool looking paper weight that has a little red blinking light.
Any ideas?
(oh and the red light stops after you push the transmit button once, just a note)
Any ideas?
(oh and the red light stops after you push the transmit button once, just a note)
OK, what you got was the serial comms failure message. Typical causes:
Wrong comm port selected in PC.
Trying to read via RSS running in a "DOS Window" or from a "DOS Prompt" under any flavor of windows. (MUST use native DOS.)
Low batt on radio.
Low batt on RIB.
Non, Motorola RIB or RIB-to-Radio cable.
Internal water damage to controller board or flex ribbon cable.
Sometimes you'll find that a particular radio's connector pads on the side of the radio are dirty, worn or just enough out of alignment that serial comms fail. Try wiggling the R-to-R cable connector after snapping it on to the radio. Also, inspect the pads and clean if needed (very gently, with soft pencil eraser shaped to a point).
Wrong comm port selected in PC.
Trying to read via RSS running in a "DOS Window" or from a "DOS Prompt" under any flavor of windows. (MUST use native DOS.)
Low batt on radio.
Low batt on RIB.
Non, Motorola RIB or RIB-to-Radio cable.
Internal water damage to controller board or flex ribbon cable.
Sometimes you'll find that a particular radio's connector pads on the side of the radio are dirty, worn or just enough out of alignment that serial comms fail. Try wiggling the R-to-R cable connector after snapping it on to the radio. Also, inspect the pads and clean if needed (very gently, with soft pencil eraser shaped to a point).
Well I looked the radio over once more and don’t see anything physically wrong with it. I also took the face plat off on of my other HT 1000s and put it on to see if that would let me read the radio but no luck. This is the only radio I have problems with my others perform flawlessly. I have no problem reading or write to my other 3 radios, I’m just so confused.
RKG's right. If you're trying to run your RSS in a DOS window thru Windows 95 or newer, that's most likely the problem. Also, ensure that your RIB is getting power from a good source. And, make sure the battery is good. Those are the three biggest problems that people run into when programming a radio. Make sure all of that is good, you're using a good cable and RIB, and running a dedicated DOS computer.
HI:
I have seen this a few times.
Sometimes it is the Rib Box ! Clones may work fine
some of the time, but run accross a radio that has
a [ I / O ] Problem, and the RS-232 protocal issues
may start to show up.
Measure the Current your Rib box is using ( 5 ~ 10 ma )
in stand-by ? Thats a plus.......20 ~ 30 ma in Stand-by
( Definately a problem )
You may have a corrupted code plug as a result of
a earlier programming atempt with a clone.
Try and enter into one of the " Alighnment " modes...
make a Very Small value change [ up or down ] Exit
and then try and [ Read ] the radio.
Make sure you have a Fresh Radio Battery, and use
a External Power Supply for the clone
HT1000's / MTS2000 series radios are High Tier
devices that can easily be corrupted ( even by a
small soft pot value change )
VHF ones are more sensitive than the UHF ones. I can't
explain why.
IF all else fails, use it for a paper weight, or we can
offer you a core fee.
Monty
I have seen this a few times.
Sometimes it is the Rib Box ! Clones may work fine
some of the time, but run accross a radio that has
a [ I / O ] Problem, and the RS-232 protocal issues
may start to show up.
Measure the Current your Rib box is using ( 5 ~ 10 ma )
in stand-by ? Thats a plus.......20 ~ 30 ma in Stand-by
( Definately a problem )
You may have a corrupted code plug as a result of
a earlier programming atempt with a clone.
Try and enter into one of the " Alighnment " modes...
make a Very Small value change [ up or down ] Exit
and then try and [ Read ] the radio.
Make sure you have a Fresh Radio Battery, and use
a External Power Supply for the clone
HT1000's / MTS2000 series radios are High Tier
devices that can easily be corrupted ( even by a
small soft pot value change )
VHF ones are more sensitive than the UHF ones. I can't
explain why.
IF all else fails, use it for a paper weight, or we can
offer you a core fee.
Monty
Need help on a Program Cable or (/\/\) Rib Box ?
Contact me anytime/All availible / Free Support Info !
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PLease avoid PM's whenever possible. Box gets too full.
Contact me anytime/All availible / Free Support Info !
mail to: MSisco9939@aol.com
PLease avoid PM's whenever possible. Box gets too full.
pROGRAMMING PROBLEM
You might also try cloning it from another radio, if you have one that has the same model#. If it'll take the cloning, try reading it after that.
Well I have tryed a number of differnet things and still no luck.
"Measure the Current your Rib box is using ( 5 ~ 10 ma )
in stand-by ? Thats a plus.......20 ~ 30 ma in Stand-by
( Definately a problem ) "
I dont extaly know what I should messure here.
"You may have a corrupted code plug as a result of
a earlier programming atempt with a clone.
Try and enter into one of the " Alighnment " modes...
make a Very Small value change [ up or down ] Exit
and then try and [ Read ] the radio. "
I agree I probibly have a corrupted code plug but when trying to do my alighnment stuff I get the error becuase I cant read the radio.
I use a fresh battery whenever I try to do programing work also.
"IF all else fails, use it for a paper weight, or we can
offer you a core fee. "
Well I might being useing it as a weight here but what do you mean core fee?
Thanks for all the help guys, its nice to have a place to turn to when in need of help.
Alex
"Measure the Current your Rib box is using ( 5 ~ 10 ma )
in stand-by ? Thats a plus.......20 ~ 30 ma in Stand-by
( Definately a problem ) "
I dont extaly know what I should messure here.
"You may have a corrupted code plug as a result of
a earlier programming atempt with a clone.
Try and enter into one of the " Alighnment " modes...
make a Very Small value change [ up or down ] Exit
and then try and [ Read ] the radio. "
I agree I probibly have a corrupted code plug but when trying to do my alighnment stuff I get the error becuase I cant read the radio.
I use a fresh battery whenever I try to do programing work also.
"IF all else fails, use it for a paper weight, or we can
offer you a core fee. "
Well I might being useing it as a weight here but what do you mean core fee?
Thanks for all the help guys, its nice to have a place to turn to when in need of help.
Alex
Pop the front off of the radio (no need to disconnect the flex or disassemble any further) and look for the two contacts near the top right corner of the top board (on the antenna side of the radio, right above the antenna switch). They will look like two curved gold plated 'fingers'.
GENTLY bend them out a little so the will make good contact with the contacts inside the front cover. Be sure the mating surfaces inside the front cover are clean, pop the cover back on and clean the contacts on the outside of the radio (I use a small stiff bristle nylon brush and Isopropyl alcohol, grain is even better).
Try reading the radio. This usually works for me.
Eddie
GENTLY bend them out a little so the will make good contact with the contacts inside the front cover. Be sure the mating surfaces inside the front cover are clean, pop the cover back on and clean the contacts on the outside of the radio (I use a small stiff bristle nylon brush and Isopropyl alcohol, grain is even better).
Try reading the radio. This usually works for me.
Eddie
Somehow I don’t think that bending out and cleaning the public safety antenna switch contacts is going to help with programming the radio. Some earlier models do not even have these contacts.EddieC wrote:Pop the front off of the radio (no need to disconnect the flex or disassemble any further) and look for the two contacts near the top right corner of the top board (on the antenna side of the radio, right above the antenna switch). They will look like two curved gold plated 'fingers'.
GENTLY bend them out a little so the will make good contact with the contacts inside the front cover. Be sure the mating surfaces inside the front cover are clean, pop the cover back on and clean the contacts on the outside of the radio (I use a small stiff bristle nylon brush and Isopropyl alcohol, grain is even better).
Try reading the radio. This usually works for me.
Eddie
Cleaning the outside is good, but not likely the problem here.
Nand.
I didn't say it made sense... just that it has worked for me. A Motorola service tech taught me this. I can see no connections between P402 and data communications in the schematics. As far as that goes, when the public safety antenna switch (S101) is in it's normal condition (which it is during programming) both of the contacts mentioned have no bearing on anything, nor does the programming cable make contact with P402. I been able to get several radios to communicate by doing this... Maybe it's magic .Nand wrote:Somehow I don’t think that bending out and cleaning the public safety antenna switch contacts is going to help with programming the radio. Some earlier models do not even have these contacts.
Cleaning the outside is good, but not likely the problem here.
Nand.
Eddie
Yes, black magic maybe....sometimes just the act of taking the radio apart & putting it back together accomplishes the same thing.
Anyway, have a look at the interconnect pins between the two boards, where the small flex cable sits in the connectors. There were several bad runs of the Jedi series radio which had almost no solder on the pins, and what little amount did get put on, was poor. If the pins look flat, dull & 'cold', it could very well be your problem. This can cause any number of strange problems, including what you are seeing. If the solder on the pins appears rounded & shiny, then they're likely ok. Let us know what you find.
Todd
Anyway, have a look at the interconnect pins between the two boards, where the small flex cable sits in the connectors. There were several bad runs of the Jedi series radio which had almost no solder on the pins, and what little amount did get put on, was poor. If the pins look flat, dull & 'cold', it could very well be your problem. This can cause any number of strange problems, including what you are seeing. If the solder on the pins appears rounded & shiny, then they're likely ok. Let us know what you find.
Todd
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wow, I think we have a winner! I took it apart and found the littel flex and was lookign closely at the solder pins and sure enough a few of them look really bad (3-4 of time). So now I think I have found the problem its just what do I do now? I dont know if I should try to resolder it or what I would have to get a smaller tip for my iron.
Alex
Alex