XTS3000

RMW · Post by **RMW** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:53 am

Hello,

I'm looking into buying a XTS3000. I've found a model I-R.
Following info is available:
Codeplug: 000C
Firmware: 07.06.01.00
DSP software: A07.03.19
System package: H35
Flashcode: 000001-002000-5

H35/G48 Conventional Operation
Q241 ASTRO Ready (Analog Operation ONLY)

I've found that it's a very "basic" flash, no digital

But what is the radio capable of (MDC, trunking, scan...)

Also, does the R model uses a special battery?

BTW. I've read the newbie topic and it's very helpful. Thanks!

Regards,
Robert.

Post by **alex** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:54 am

Your going to have to reflash the radio for digital.

The A in front of the DSP means that it has analog only firmware.

With this in mind, you'd need to reflash the radio to get it to perform in a digital environment.

Some people will tell you that it is worth replacing the controler (VOCON) in order to achieve this.

-Alex

RMW · Post by **RMW** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:22 am

Hi Alex,

Thanks for your response.

I think reflashing it is not an option because of the $$$. And the fact that there is no digital in my area. But I figured it would be nice to have a go at the digital stuff.

But that's no problem. As long as I can do analog conventional it's ok with me.

Any idea what would be a reasonable price for it?

Regards,
Robert.

Post by Pj » Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:08 am

Last I heard, it was about $635 to flash the radio to IMBE. If the controller was VSLEP, it was a little cheaper.

Seeing that the radio is rugged verison, $500 would be the price...I would say, with battery. It does use a modified battery to keep its water tight rating.

Basically, its an advanced MTS2000, since this XTS is neutered

ASTROMODAT · Post by **ASTROMODAT** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:14 am

The current Motorola price book (August, 2004) shows that the IMBE FLASHport uplift is $775 for a T5776 Kit for a Conventional XTS 3000 radio, or an ASTRO Saber radio.

The underlying firmware must also be freshened in order to apply the IMBE uplift, which entails the Q324 refresh at $75. This refresh is mandatory, and it must be ordered with the Q808 IMBE uplift. Otherwise, Motorola Order Edit will reject the order.

The IMBE piece involves Q808 at $700. This brings the total price for an IMBE uplift to a conventional ASTRO Ready XTS, or ASTRO Saber, to $775 ($700 + $75 = $775).

The customer will receive a diskette that bundles Q808 and Q324. They are loaded as a single uplift, as the software refresh is deeply integrated with the IMBE firmware.

There is no way to avoid having to buy Q324 when you order Q808. Part of the cost of the required Q324 covers the Motorola Admin Tec’s labor to do the "research" on the particular radio (to add the necessary customization of Q324) so that the Q808 (IMBE) will load properly.

The price book states that there is no discount on FLASHport. However, I have seen very large Gov't Agencies write sales contracts for new radios that have a small discount for a future FLASHport upgrade (such as to IMBE), but then they are locked into a mandatory upgrade within an agreed to timeframe in the original radio sales contract.

BTW, these IMBE FLASHport orders must be placed as an FO, as they are not available from Motorola Parts, so you need a Motorola Sales person to write up a complete STIC-1, and create a formal, full-blown FO.

Larry

apco25 · Post by **apco25** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:24 am

with that being said what's required to get H14 digital ID display and or update to newest host/dsp/firmware?

ASTROMODAT · Post by **ASTROMODAT** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:32 am

H14 is only $75, plus another $75 for the refresh.

Keep in mind that they tend to get a little dicey if you ask your sales guy to write a STIC-1 (and create an FO) for just a $75 refresh (unless, of course, its across a ton of radios, so there is a threshold amount of $ associated with the order to make it worthwhile for them to process the order overhead costs). The cost of opening up an FO is a lot more than $75! Depends a lot on your relationship with your rep, and it's ususally best to piggy back something like this on a bigger order. Alternatively, if you are ordering something like an IMBE uplift that is $700, there's enough $ involved that adding the $75 refresh is no big deal.

Larry

apco25 · Post by **apco25** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:46 am

Hmm great. so basically for one portable its not worth it then? That's the only thing I need and neither of the systems I'm on use XTS3000's like I carry personally.

If it was MACOM I could get it done through the county.

ASTROMODAT · Post by **ASTROMODAT** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:19 pm

If you are in tight with your Moto sales guy, then he might be willing to write an order for the H14 for just one radio. Otherwise, they get a bit dicey about the overhead, as they have Bosses who get torqued off about opening up an FO for a $75 order ( I think it costs around $200 to open up an FO, so it's not like they are being jerks about it, etc.).

Larry

Post by Pj » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:58 pm

Alex,

My local shop now has the authority or whatnot to order flashupgrades and do them... give me a PM with your radio details and lemme see what I get for a price. If they don't want to do it, my area M rep seemed to be receptive to doing it.

ASTROMODAT · Post by **ASTROMODAT** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:30 pm

Is this Alex's radio? Anyway, it's not a matter of having the "authority," etc. It's the fact that Motorola Sales has to generate an equipment order, as FLASHport is not handled by National Parts. Perhaps your shop has an Inside Sales person in Motorola who they work with. In any event, it will be list price, as there is no discount on FLASHport.

Larry

apco25 · Post by **apco25** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:02 pm

No, its mine the other Alex. I took great pains to find a legit xts, but kinda miss the ID display feature.

Post by Pj » Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:19 pm

Apparently our MSS is one of the few truley "full service" shops in exisitance. From what they told me, Motorola is selecting certain high performance shops (and ones that use to be M owned at one time) as an experiment. They no longer have to go thru the senior sales reps for anything, and they can do things directly. This may help some of us out in the end, and cut out one more middleman.

ASTROMODAT · Post by **ASTROMODAT** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:31 pm

That would/will be outstanding, PJ. Sure would be nice if they would take it one step further and let folks order all Motorola radios and accessories, etc. via MOL. As it stands, there are several tiers to MOL, and the high end ASTRO radios can't be ordered via MOL, even if you are at the top of the heap. Seems like Motorola should let folks take money from their pockets and give it to them, even if they are coming through MOL!

Larry