Minitor II paging question

[hsfdchief200]

Our FD has a lot of Minitor II pagers. We have seven stations, each with a different A-B tone arrangement. There is no C tone reed in any of the pagers. Here are the tone reed frequency codes for each station and the DTMF code to access the phone patch to page:

602 *##02
612 *##12
621 *##21
631 *##31
641 *##41
651 *##51
661 *##61

We are looking at going to a single longer one-tone page, then announce which station the page is for. Our local Moto service tech. told us that we could enter the DTMF code *##11, and that would produce a 6-second one-tone page that would activate all seven different pager setups that we have. We told him that it couldn't activate the first station's pagers b/c they don't have a "1" anywhere in the frequency code. He said it still make the pager go off, which I still don't believe.

So, my question is will the *##11 code actually make the "602" pagers' alarm go off?

Will the new 6-second one-tone also make the rest of the pagers go off, too?

[n9upc]

First of all you need to find out what tones you are dealing with. Going just by a series of numbers you enter into a encoder does not mean nothing.

Our dept is set-up so you enter the persons badge/radio # and it pages them but 6275 does not go with any tone plane.

Second once you see what tone is in all of them you can then besure that the tone formats and right jumpers are in. Most M2 pagers came set-up with an A-B format. You had to specify if you wanted something else like A-B, Long B or A-B, Long C etc...

Also judging by your list I would say that you would have to add a reed to the 602 and the 612 pagers. This looks like it would be the case as the 1 is the third digit in all of them except the first two.

From what you have posted it looks like you are using codeplan 6 and the next two numbers are the A tone and the B tone.

If you get a tone chart you will see what I mean by codeplan 6 and the tones.

Open the M2's and tell us what reed tones you have in them and we can help you out further.

Remember when reading reeds hold the M2 on it's side with the reeds pointing up in the air, and have the front of the pager (speaker) facing you.

[hsfdchief200]

From what you have posted it looks like you are using codeplan 6 and the next two numbers are the A tone and the B tone.

If you get a tone chart you will see what I mean by codeplan 6 and the tones.

Correct. I have the tone chart, but I was at work when I posted that so I didn't have access to it at the time.

code A tone B tone
602 1122.5 1185.2
612 1153.4 1185.2
621 1185.2 1153.4
631 1217.8 1153.4
641 1251.4 1153.4
651 1285.8 1153.4
661 1321.2 1153.4

So, the MSS is talking about sending out a long B tone (1153.4 accessible through the repeater by using the *##11 DTMF code on the keypad radios).

So, if I understand it correctly, the only ones that the long B group call tone would work on are pager codes 621-661 after modifying the jumpers in the pagers, right?

And the for the 602 and 612 pagers, could another 1153.4 reed be installed in the C slot and set up for a long C alarm to go off the same time as the long B for the other pagers?

[57Shasta]

OK I'll jump into this although I have lost a lot of hair dealing with pager plans.

You are correct, the first two pagers will not respond to a long B becuz of the tone difference.

The only thing I can think of is add tone C to all pagers and set up M2 for A-B, long C (have you priced those tone filters yet? Boy howdy)

Less costly may be to change first two pagers reeds so B tone jives with the others..

[n9upc]

code A tone B tone
602 1122.5 1185.2
612 1153.4 1185.2
621 1185.2 1153.4
631 1217.8 1153.4
641 1251.4 1153.4
651 1285.8 1153.4
661 1321.2 1153.4

What you would need to do is add a tone reed to the pagers for 602 and 612 in slot C. Then you would have to move the jumpers on the back of the M2 so it will alert ocrrectly for A-B, Long C.

The jumper settings are on the main page under model spec iinfo and under M2.

I guess in looking at your codeplan and what you are asking are you planning on using this 1153.4 tone as a group or all call, and still page each department with the seperate tones???

But, nevertheless you would just have to add reeds to slot C on the pagers. Paging and Wireless Services are usually a good place to pick up reeds cheap.

[hsfdchief200]

If we went that route, we would use the 1153.4 tone as an all call. We are one fire district, with seven stations. When there is a structure fire or any other major incident, all seven stations are paged, which takes up too much time. If we had the one tone for emergencies, that would help things alot, not just in the amount of time it takes to page.

We'd also like to keep the current 2 tone alert option, also. This would be used for paging individual stations for meetings, events, etc.

There isn't a scan option on the M2 for the 2 different tone options, is there?

[n9upc]

Sadly no there is not a scan option.

The minitor 2 was design for three tone codes with multi-format. I think the highest you could go was A-B, A-C, Long B, Long C or something to that effect.

You are correct though in having to add the reed to the C position on what I assume would be station 1 and station 2.

Try paging and wireless service center (http://www.pwservice.com I think) or do a web search and you will find a few places that still sell tone reeds w/o going through /\/\ and paying 75 to 100 or more bucks.

Not to get to off topic but how is your repeater set-up for paging through it? I guess I mean what paging interface are you using??

[hsfdchief200]

We have 2 ways of paging: through the phone patch at the repeater, and by sending direct 2-tone encode pages. The dispatch office has a paging encoder unit (a Motorola Moden 100), and the Kenwood TK-270's we have will do the direct 2-tone encode without having to send DTMF tones to access the phone patch and repeater to page. Using DTMF keypad radios is currently our backup system for paging and answering the emergency line (still a seven-digit phone number).

Hope that answered your question - I'm not as much of an expert as you all are.

If the dispatchers don't get their act together, we're going to have to go back to doing our own dispatching through radios using the phone patch. We don't have 911 where we are, and the S.O. does our dispatching now. At least by radio dispatching, we would have better control over how it's done and, best of all, we could hear the call when it comes in.

[Gocart878]

search the web for GG comunications, he has every tone # motorola ever made on a Permacode Filter. He also does 2 for 1 trades, you give him 2 reeds u dont need, and he gives you 1 that you do need. His price is only like 18 for each reed. I quoted Pwservice the other day, they wanted 120 to convert a radio from Low-band to UHF, then 37 for crystal tuning Etc. GG's price was 52.95 includes Labor, crystal, Tuning, and Rf-Board Exchange/Conversion. GG is a way better deal.

[Vern]

Here's their URL


http://www.iinc.com/ggcomm/reeds.html


Vern