GTX model H11WCD4CB1AN Need User Manual

Thomas Swift · Post by **Thomas Swift** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:30 pm

I need to know where I can download a user manual for this radio since motarolla dont seem to be publishing one. A freind aquired this radio from a trift store & I would like to get it to do more than beep at me. KB7CLW for ID. Any help would be apreciated.[/b]

kcbooboo · Post by **kcbooboo** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:52 am

I have the hard-copy user's manual. Not much of any use in it. I can probably tell you all you need to know about it right here.

The 8-position knob on the top is only used on trunking systems. Conventional channels are changed with the up/down arrow buttons on the keypad.

Trunking channels will be identified by numbers and letters, such as 1-A. Conventional channels will be displayed with numbers only, as in 01.

There will be something that looks like |---->| on the display when you're on a talk-around (i.e. direct) channel.

The small flat upper button on the left side turns PL/DPL decode on or off. When decode is not required on a channel, or when the button has toggled it off, a small loudspeaker symbol appears on the display.

The small ribbed button on the left side is used with the menu system. Otherwise it just beeps when you press it.

The big button on the left side is the PTT button.

On the keypad, the button in the lower left with the light bulb symbol and the asterisk will turn on the display LEDs for a few seconds. They'll go off if you leave the radio alone.

The button in the upper right with the word MENU on it gets you into the user menu. On my radio, I can select MUTE on/off, and toggle the setting using the small ribbed button on the left side of the radio. If you press MENU again, you get PAD on/off. Again, the small ribbed button on the left side will toggle it. When off, the keypad is otherwise disabled. The button in the lower right with the letters HM and the phone handset on it is used to exit the menu system.

To enable the DTMF buttons, press the HM button in the lower right corner. The display will now show PH. Pressing any numbered button will activate the transmitter and send out that digit. You can also press the PTT button, then press digits and get them to be transmitted that way. There's a delay from when you press a button until you hear the tones. Press the HM button again to turn the DTMF function off.

There are ways to pre-store called phone numbers and retrieve them, but I have never used that functionality. Similarly, there's a way to set up scanned channels, but I haven't used it.

I could scan some of the manual pages for you if you need further details, but they'll be large images.

Bob M.

EKLB · Post by **EKLB** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:24 am

kcbooboo · Post by **kcbooboo** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:03 am

The manual I have clearly states the function of the top selector switch, which they call a "mode" selector:

"To select trunking system or conventional channels, press the [up] or [down] buttons. To select trunking talkgroup use the channel selector group located on the top panel of the radio and rotate the knob to the desired location."

So the knob is only good for the talkgroup. It's completely useless on conventional channels.

It's similar on the GTX mobile: there are two large up/down buttons that select the talkgroup, but they put in two tiny buttons to select the channel, which are the only buttons that do anything on conventional channels.

I'd rather have the ability to use the top knob too, but since it's only 8-positions, we'd lose a couple of conventional channels. I've only played with the 900 MHz models.

Bob M.

Thomas Swift · Post by **Thomas Swift** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:02 am

So how do I set the channels ? Their is no external inteface thats visable. I am primarly interested in setting it up to use exsisting amiture radio repeiters if their are any. I live just outside of phoenix arizona.

Thomas Swift · Post by **Thomas Swift** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:29 am

Thomas Swift wrote:So how do I set the channels ? Their is no external inteface thats visable. I am primarly interested in setting it up to use exsisting amiture radio repeiters if their are any. I live just outside of phoenix arizona.

I am guessing so far the ID's are the repeter identifier channels. Next question where is the enter button ? LOL

EKLB · Post by **EKLB** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:35 am

Thomas Swift · Post by **Thomas Swift** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:56 am

So where do I get what I need to acomplish this task ? And is their a hack to make it into direct entree ? Im sure I can handel booting up under DOS. Not a problem.

Post by **wavetar** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:28 am

Thomas Swift wrote:So where do I get what I need to acomplish this task ? And is their a hack to make it into direct entree ? Im sure I can handel booting up under DOS. Not a problem.

Programming a Motorola radio is no simple task, to someone who's never done it & doesn't have the hardware/software to do so. Please read through this first:

http://www.batlabs.com/newbie.html

Once you've digested that, if you still want to program the radio you can purchase hardware to do so from a number of sources...both factory made & third party.

The software is a different ballgame, as it is only legally available through Motorola directly...and not cheaply as a rule ($200-$400). Please be aware you cannot ask for it here on the board (see the rules at the top of the main page).

And no...I know the GTX keypad looks like you might be able to do something with it besides have it beep at you, but you cannot program the radio with anything other than the necessary hardware & software.

Todd

Thomas Swift · Post by **Thomas Swift** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:33 am

Back to the drawing board I guess unless Ham Radio Outlet can do it. My PC isn't even compatable. Sounds to me like Motarolla needs to get up with current standards instead of living in the ice age. Do you know if their is a SDK available even ? Software Developement Kit

Post by **wavetar** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:06 pm

The info on in the newbie programming guide is good, but somewhat dated. The latest versions of RSS will run on much more modern computers, so you don't necessarily need a slow 386/486 to program the GTX...my 1.7GHz DELL laptop does them no problem.

As far as more modern programming software, all of Motorola's radio lines brought out since approx '97 are Windows programmable & can run on just about any Windows OS & computer combination. The GTX just missed the boat, as it was one of the last DOS RSS based radio lines.

Todd

EKLB · Post by **EKLB** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:18 pm

EKLB · Post by **EKLB** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:30 pm

Post by **wavetar** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:56 pm

The shift key trick does not work with the GTX. You'd need to modify the RSS to accept the frequencies.

Todd

Thomas Swift · Post by **Thomas Swift** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:22 pm

What I realy need is a 2 meter with tone capability to work NWS skywarn. I would trade this thing in a heartbeet for what I need. However I gather you all are nowhere neer phoenix arizona & dont have a clue how we would make a swap. Another thought is that the only thing I know about it is it passes the self test & will reset my computer monitor when I key it up neer it. LOL I was just hoping to get it fuctional to swap it off for a 2 meter. I guess I will explore the availabilty of people who program theise things in my area. Like I wrote before a freind of mine picked this thing up at a salvation army trift store for $5.00 because he thought it was a scanner couldnt get it to work so he gave it to me. So $25.00 is well within the execeptable rage to get it working so I can off it.

MTS2000des · Post by **MTS2000des** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:45 pm

the GTX if it is in good shape and not beat up can usually fetch an easy 100 bucks on here or more on greedbay.

they make nice 900 ham radios. if you don't want to invest in the programming hardware and getting a s/w license from motorola, you may want to contact some hams around you that are into 900. chances are they will have what you need and most would be more than willing to program it up on HAM frequencies for you.

The radio is capable of 10 conventional channels and PL, DPL, etc.
I would suggest posting a message on the 900HAM Yahoo group. I am sure you will get a response.

As far as trading there are plenty of reputable folks on here who might be interested in such an item and may have what you need. The for sale/wanted forum is a good place to start.

kcbooboo · Post by **kcbooboo** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:31 pm

There are a few people on this BBS who can program the GTX 900 for you, myself included, probably for the cost of shipping, assuming the radio is otherwise working properly.

The GTX RSS works on both mobiles and portables, 800 and 900 MHz. Release 4, at least, DOES work under Windows, although I've only used it under DOS that came with Win98.

The radios themselves do not need any modifications to work on 902-903 transmit, and 927-928 transmit and receive. They lose sensitivity below 918 and the VCO probably won't lock up to receive below 915. As long as the proper file is modified to allow 896-941 MHz, the radio will accept it.

Bob M.

EKLB · Post by **EKLB** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:22 pm

Post by **wavetar** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:37 am

kcbooboo wrote: The GTX RSS works on both mobiles and portables, 800 and 900 MHz. Release 4, at least, DOES work under Windows, although I've only used it under DOS that came with Win98.

Be aware you're taking your chances with that. Motorola did nothing specific to that version to 'enable' programming through a DOS window. I have found most of the radios which simply program via the bus & busy lines (Maxtracs, GM/GP300's, GTX, etc) are more stable in a DOS window...hell, Motorola even goes into some detail in the later Maxtrac readme files on how to try & run it that way...but it's not the recommended way of doing it.

I also found that the Win95 DOS window is even more compatible than the Win98SE DOS window, for whatever reasons.

Todd

kcbooboo · Post by **kcbooboo** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:00 pm

I don't know if my statement was confusing to some people, so let me expand it a bit.

I have run GTX R04.xx.xx on computers with Win95 or WinXP as a regular Windows program. I have not tried it in a DOS box under Windows. I have not tried programming a radio under Windows. I normally run it under stand-alone DOS.

The version of DOS I use just happens to be the one that comes out of Win98 because that one understands FAT32 filesystem and can deal with long file names that are on my hard drive. I boot to the DOS floppy but run the programs that I store on the hard drive. The underlying stuff that makes it DOS really hasn't changed much other than long file names, at least not enough to bother RSS that wants to run under it.

Bob M.

Post by **wavetar** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:34 pm

Ah, now I see what you're saying. Yes, pretty much any RSS will run under a Win55/98 DOS window. And you are correct, the later GTX RSS will run in the Win2k/WinXP command prompt window as well, whereas similar RSS such as LCS won't. I have found a DOS emulator for Win2k/WinXP which allows the LCS & others such as Spectra to run in Win2k/WinXP...works great for when I wish to view/modify a codeplug without having to reboot into another OS or dig out another computer.

As far as booting your computer with a Win98SE boot disk, that'll work fine for actual programming as you stated.

Todd

GTX model H11WCD4CB1AN Need User Manual

GTX model H11WCD4CB1AN Need User Manual

So how do I set the channels ? Their is no external inteface

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So where do I get what I need to acomplish this task ?

Re: So where do I get what I need to acomplish this task ?

Well that pretty much ends that !

Well as far as offing this thing.