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Radio TX for power outage notification??

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:47 am
by noloflashradio
Problem: When our repeater loses power and goes to back-up power we have no way of knowing...

(I cant imagine that I am the first to think of this)
Solution:
Dedicate a radio, in the shack, that will be connected to a trigger relay and timer to signal, say, every 15 minutes, when the main power goes out. (I would need to build this unless it's out there) . The radio would be set to signal on TX so we would be notified and would run on the backup power supply.

Any ideas of existing products or discussion related to this idea would be greatly apreciated!
Thanks!

Re: Radio TX for power outage notification??

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:09 am
by Bigfella237
I'm no repeater expert but I thought most had options to notify over-the-air if they're running on backup?

I know our old local FD repeater (back when we were conventional) used to superimpose a damn annoying beep-beep-beep over the Tx audio when the mains power failed.

Andrew

Re: Radio TX for power outage notification??

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:47 am
by Bill_G
The higher tier products (Quantar, MTR, MSF, MSR) had alarm over the air, but it just beeps. All you knew was something broke.

Ritron makes a cheap little box called The Quick Talk Wireless Monitor that has four inputs, and about 30 secs of recording memory - just enough to say "AC power fail at Mountain Site". It has an integrated 2W UHF or VHF radio you program for your repeater input (or output), and a variety of setup choices for the messages and inputs. It works just fine, and now everyone knows what is broken before they call you.

Re: Radio TX for power outage notification??

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:43 am
by escomm
Bill_G wrote:The higher tier products (Quantar, MTR, MSF, MSR) had alarm over the air, but it just beeps. All you knew was something broke.
Note that the MTR3000 does not provide any such functionality. The MTR2000, of course, did. Just another small example of how the MTR3000 is NOT a replacement for the MTR2000 (Motorola's own words) :lol:

Re: Radio TX for power outage notification??

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:01 pm
by noloflashradio
The repeater in question is an Icom IC-FR4000...
I was going to connect an HT1250 to a relay and homemade timer to signal (13 pins don't have PTT/on-off....so I would have to pull to contacts off the PTT lapel mic...better ideas?)

Re: Radio TX for power outage notification??

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:59 pm
by Bill_G
escomm wrote:
Bill_G wrote:The higher tier products (Quantar, MTR, MSF, MSR) had alarm over the air, but it just beeps. All you knew was something broke.
Note that the MTR3000 does not provide any such functionality. The MTR2000, of course, did. Just another small example of how the MTR3000 is NOT a replacement for the MTR2000 (Motorola's own words) :lol:
They are following in Microsoft's footsteps where the next generation product is not necessarily an improvement.

Re: Radio TX for power outage notification??

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:14 pm
by KG4LHQ
Bill_G wrote:The higher tier products (Quantar, MTR, MSF, MSR) had alarm over the air, but it just beeps. All you knew was something broke.

Ritron makes a cheap little box called The Quick Talk Wireless Monitor that has four inputs, and about 30 secs of recording memory - just enough to say "AC power fail at Mountain Site". It has an integrated 2W UHF or VHF radio you program for your repeater input (or output), and a variety of setup choices for the messages and inputs. It works just fine, and now everyone knows what is broken before they call you.
Will this work on ham?

Re: Radio TX for power outage notification??

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:53 am
by Bill_G
KG4LHQ wrote:
Bill_G wrote:The higher tier products (Quantar, MTR, MSF, MSR) had alarm over the air, but it just beeps. All you knew was something broke.

Ritron makes a cheap little box called The Quick Talk Wireless Monitor that has four inputs, and about 30 secs of recording memory - just enough to say "AC power fail at Mountain Site". It has an integrated 2W UHF or VHF radio you program for your repeater input (or output), and a variety of setup choices for the messages and inputs. It works just fine, and now everyone knows what is broken before they call you.
Will this work on ham?
According to the specs listed at their web site, no.

Re: Radio TX for power outage notification??

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:42 pm
by KG4LHQ
I seen the specs didnt know if it still would or not lol.

Re: Radio TX for power outage notification??

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:53 pm
by abbylind
There is an aftermarket repeater controller that does just that. We have one that announces that the main power is out or the DC power has dropped to X volts every 15 minutes I cant recall what the make is though. I'll research it

Re: Radio TX for power outage notification??

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:02 pm
by abbylind
See if this fills the bill

http://www.catauto.com/cat200.html

Re: Radio TX for power outage notification??

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:47 pm
by KG4LHQ
Hey Abbylind,

I have a Cat 300 DX Repeater Controller currently on my TKR-851. Any idea how to make it do that?

Re: Radio TX for power outage notification??

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:00 pm
by abbylind
Im not familiar with the 300 series but from the 200 website info...

Logic Inputs
Four logic inputs activated by a voltage change from other equipment at the repeater site, causes the CAT-200B to activate voice messages as alarms or announcements. Information about the repeater site will be instantly available.


The the AC line voltge could be added to the logic input

Re: Radio TX for power outage notification??

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:28 pm
by noloflashradio
Abbylind,
Thanks for the info....have to learn more about how to make it do the powerout notification with an IC FR3000