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i am really radio stupid but i love the tings so much...i need to know somthing...i have all the freqs for the radio and the DPL's and PL's but i don;t know how to get the funny sounds to get my radio to hit the repeater?...i think i am asking right....because i listen to my scanner and i listen to my portable and i can hear the sounds the radios make when they press the PTT button....can anyone help me out...is there a certian code i need to hit the repeater?.....please PM me or email me if you can help......

Can you elaborate on the "funny sounds" and what repeater "the repeater" is? What kind of radio is this and what is it for?

Sounds like you'tr trying to access a repeater system to which you do not know the correct PL/DPL codes.

If you're authorised to use the system, which I presume you are since you're trying to gain access to it, ask the person whom takes care of the programming of the radios on this system. He/She should have the nhecessary information and may even program the unit for you.

Good luck!

I have the DPL's and the PL's...i am a VFF in my town and i want to hook into the twon system...they all have GP350's...i have an HT1000...it is 16 channel UHF 450-520mhz...most of our freqs are in the 452-462mhz....we have 16 main fore depts and 4 VFD's and ithink what i was trying to day was that there is a sound omitted when the radio is transmitting...like i know the GP350's that we have omitt a 2 tone sound before you can talk back to anthor radio...it is like one long and one short beep....Kerri the programmer said she had never delt with an HT1000 before....and that i need to consult someone who knows more than she.....i think that is more specific....i think that should help a little more......

Sounds like you mean MDC 1200 or 600.

frank

Sorry if I am understandingyour post wrong here, but if "Kerry" does not know the PL for your agency's system, and she programms the radios thanyou have a serious problem.

But in the odd chance that you're an authorised user, which I have to ask, Are yOU?
Then we'll get you going one way or another. Let's start with the above though, ok?

Cool....

She knows the pl's and the DPL"S but not the thing i am asking.....i can assure you i am an authorized user...i can supply the proof if needed....she her self can email you or contact you and tell you the issue at hand if there is a doubt of belife.....her and i have the DPL's and the PL's...just not the knowing of hoe to get the tone's...she does more of the GP350's than the HT1000's nad she has said i need to consult to you people.......

I believe the sounds you hear on your receiver when others transmit into the repeater is their Unit ID, coded by a system known as MDC. In most cases, MDC IDs are not necessary for access to the repeater; they are used by the console to identify who is pressing the button. It is possible to program some repeaters to deny access except to those sending an MDC code, but this is rarely done. Therefore, if you are having trouble accessing a repeater, I strongly believe it is for other reasons than lack of MDC.

On the other hand, if your problem is that you lack a valid MDC ID for your radio, you have to talk to the system administrator for the repeater, who will assign you an ID and show you how to program it in your radio.

While the RSS screens are laid out differently for the radios you've identified, the basic parameters (freqs, PLs, etc.) are the same, and anyone competent to program one radio should be competent to program the other.

thanks....i have asked her about the MDC just a couple of minutes ago and she said just program the PL"S and DPL's into the radio....she asked the administrator in the next town over and he said the repeater had been down for the last 2 days because we lost all power....but.....he told her that the repeater should cue up when i pressd the PTT button if the power still exist after today...we had a big ice storm and eveything was on the fritz....but we used a mobile repeater and a repeater extender in a supervisor vehical for the last 2 days...our power is restored and thigs should be all right now with the Repeater....thanks for all you help sir.....

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the main ones we use are the following 2 freqs....

1.452.3250 pl-192.8
2.462.9750 pl-167.9
3.462.9500 pl-131.8

the first is the main dispacth freq....the others are c-med north and c-med southwest.....for those of you who know...c-med connects you to the X-pacth in the hospital....i am not a radio tech and i am not a prorammer...i just know the freqs and the PL's and the dPL's.....that is all i know....what is the other freq that you mentioned?....i know when i look on the freq page in my scanner book there is usally this for example.....

460.1000 pl-114.8
465.1000 pl-

there is no pl listed for the other freq...but what is the other freq?....i don't get it.....there is the 460mhz freq...so why do they show the 465mhz freq.....

I too would think maybe your offset is incorrect. Do you know what the +/- offset would be? The repeater must have an offset frequency, as the repeater itself cannot recieve and transmit on the same frequency simultaneously... there has to be a seperate Tx frequency to access the repeater, and then is retransmitted on the Rx frequency. If you are going by a scanner directory, it isn't likely that the offset will be posted (Usually only the repeater Rx frequencies are supplied). Why wouldn't the Kerry, who appears to be the sys. admin., not have the PL's for you?? Also, one way to find the PL/DPL, does your scanner have Tone Search on it? If so, wait for dispatch to key up, and run a tone search on the frequency. As far as your Pre-MDC sidetone is concerned, that shouldn't affect you getting into the repeater, and if the system is composed of GP350's, it should much matter to anyone but the dispatcher as no one else can decode the ID.

Tommy:

The last couple of posts seem to say that you might not realize that the transmit and receive frequencies are different by a spread of 5 mHz. You receive on 460.xxx but you must transmit 5 mHz higher, on, for instance 465.xxx, with the xxx in both cases being the same number. This applies to repeater operation. For direct, sometimes called simplex, and sometimes called "Fireground" operations you might not be using a repeater and then you would be using the same frequency for transmit AND receive.

If your adviser in the dept. doesn't know the PL/DPL codes then he/she is not the right person to talk to. Get the name of the radio shop that works on your radios and either get the info from them or get them to set up the radio; if the shop is doing your department's radios it will take them all of fifteen minutes to do the job for you. If you're not a radio person you will just get more frustrated with the whole question and you'll end up really spinning your wheels. Find the right people to help you and the problem will get resolved quickly.

Regards,

Tom Donohoe, W2NJS
...Washington DC

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This whole thing sounds shakey to me.

The folks who should know, don't know. This Kerri person sounds like she's underqualified for the job she apparently has. All adds up to weird.

Sorry, my $.02 worth.

Quick Call II any one????
Perhaps their setup is to transmit QCII ?

I'm with Tom and W5ATX...
I think you are talking to the wrong person. So I would do as Tom said and find out who the actual programmers are and have them help you. It will save a whole lot of headaches, especially if they are using RAC and QCII.
Scott

it all seems funny to me....because kerri tells me that she does not know about HT1000's but i hear it is all the same...like i said i have the PL and DPL's and so codes she,......but i think i will go to motorola and spend the $200.00 and get it done right...i don't want to be cut out in an emergancy...it won't fly...i need to get it done...by someone who knows what he/she is doing...she can't do the job so why have it.....

$200???? The local dealer here only charges like $25 to set up a 16 ch radio.

Although a cute name, I think this entire thing sounds shakey.

I think that possibly Monty could provide you with a contact for your area of a competent radio shop to have your radio programmed correctly at. You will likely be requested by the radio shop, to bring, or rather have your agency send via mail, on the official lettehead, the ok for you to have the radio put on the system(s) you require.

They will/should do it without that letter, but with RX only.
Although some shops might put anything you want into the radio, their best interest would be to go by the book.

Hope you make out well in your mission.
Good luck

I was lost after the first sentence of the first post... Why is his name VHFRADIO if he uses UHF??

Confused in Mass...

Tony

I am thinking troll alert myself. Wallingford has a nice radio system, but its a simple UHF repeater system using MDC. I could make some phone calls, but its not worth my time. 99% of vol depts (especially CT and in that area) do not allow rank and file members to have personal radios. In my dept (and most of the other depts in town) just the officers have take home radios. In my dept, only I and one other member have personal radios, and they are only used for EMS work.

Hey there Tommy, I'll take care of you. Check your Email!

~Chad

i thank chad for all the help.....because he is the only one by my side...i can have the proof given to anyone who needs it...it shouldn't be a matter of disbelife....i was only asking for help...i really apprecaite it alot that you all are trying to help me...but it is getting kinda tired of everyone telling me that i am not in my dept and i am not an authorized user....because i can assure anyone that i am an authorized user...for every freq i am asking about...i have a no code liscense and i have a fcc operators licsense for 155.3250...if theres a doubt...then please don;t try to tell me like that....all i am trying to say..is that i really don't need the side comments...all i was asking is for the help....i really really am thankful for all the replies but i just need the help not the riducul.....thanks for all the help chad....i really appreicate.......

Tommy

What is that 155.325 one for? Just curious.

To VHFRADIO:

Well, here is the issue's that I had/have.

When someone is asking about how to put their radio on a public safety system, they can create a danger to many people, including myself. It is well documented that unauthorized users can gain complete access with realitive ease. All they have to do is ask some some basic questions.

For many of us here at Batlabs, when you posted that a person who is taking care of radio's is unfamilar with how to program your radio, that raises a red flag. Also, with this person unable to put the proper repeater offset in, that's another. On certain radio bands, there is a standard offset, and your freq's fell into one of those standards. Yet another red flag is when you told us that she was unfamilar with the HT1000.

Here is another thing, she told you to consult with us:

...she does more of the GP350's than the HT1000's nad she has said i need to consult to you people.......

Also in one post you state

...she does more of the GP350's than the HT1000's

then you write

....Kerri the programmer said she had never delt with an HT1000 before....

If anyone has had any experience in programming Motorola radios via RSS, the setup is fairly identical for different lines of radios (Spectra, X9000, Saber, Astro Series, MT/HT1000 etc). All it takes is about 2 minutes or less to figure out the new software. Its done that way on purpose.

Many of us work directly with public safety communications, we have had our share unauthorized users. It does nothing but put people's lives in danger, and we like to keep those "trolls" to an absoulte minimum. As recently as last year (maybe two years ago) someone with a ham radio was creating havoc for East Hartford PD, Rocky Hill Fire, Wethersfield Fire, Newington and the such. He was keying up the repeaters at first, then started to play music, make false calls for help etc. I'll be dammed if I am calling for help in a burning building and my radio is being downed out because someone wants to play. Like wise if a cop is in the fight of his life and his emergency tone can't make it to the repeater.

Right now, I can play back audio tapes of people screwing around on a inter-agency police repeater up my way while pursuits are taking place or hot information is being exchanged. That's just wrong, and its dangerous. Central 150 can attest to this (even though some of the transmissions are rather comical)

At no point did I call you a liar or imply that you were. The facts are that in the State of Connecticut, line firefighters in paid or volunteer departments are usually not issued or authorized to have their own personal use radios. Its just been that way, and most Chief's prefer it. There are execptions, and its not the rule. As a matter of safety, I do not give out any information about my radio systems unless I know the person and they have a need.

In no way am I picking on you, or implying anything else. This subject comes up every so often and you need to understand the bigger picture. It just the way that many of us feel.

Trust me.
Pj

CT Firefighter II - 7 years
EMT/First Responder - 5 years
Police/Fire/EMS/911 dispatcher - 4 years
Radio guy for 2 agencies - 4 years

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According to the FCC, 155.3250 is licensed in the State of Connecticut to:

AMERICAN MEDICAL RESPONSE - KCH682/WPJV386
HOSPITAL OF ST RAPHAEL - WNWA384
WINDHAM MEMORIAL HOSPITAL - WPBV829
LAWRENCE & MEMORIAL HOSPITAL - KYU482
ROCKVILLE GENERAL HOSPITAL - WPVZ223

VHFRADIO wrote: ..because i can assure anyone that i am an authorized user...for every freq i am asking about...i have a no code liscense and i have a fcc operators licsense for 155.3250...if theres a doubt... Tommy

Ok Tommy, I'm going to call this one out. Do I know if you're a liar? Not for sure. Do I care? No, because you CAN'T get onto MY work system and endanger MY life.

Here's the deal. You say you have a no code license. Do you mean a ham license? If so, that has naught to do with the public safety frequencies you're asking about. And, if your name is indeed Tommy Sherman, then you ARE a liar, because nobody by that name has a ham license in Connecticut.

As for having an FCC operators' license for 155.325, you struck out on that one too. There's no such thing. The government agency has a station license to use that frequency. You as an individual do not, and there are no operators' licenses involved.

Personally, I think you're just trying to get info so you can cause trouble. Or you're a cop wanna-be who wants to parade around downtown with your "official looking" radio blaring out the police dispatcher. (By the way, it doesn't impress the girls, so why bother?) True or not, again, I don't know. But I hope others on this board will stop trying to help you. If you are authorised for what you seek, you would have all the help you need. Your inability to get help from authorised persons tells me you yourself are not authorised.

Bottom line, I will not help you in any way.

VHFRADIO-

I agree with PJ and W5ATX.

I think there is enough evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that you are up to no good.

I will strongly advise you not to pursue this topic of discussion any further.

Ladies and Gentleman, I think we have at minimum we are dealing with a middle/high school student with no good agenda.

If the topic is perused further by this person, I'll be forced to activate the Batboard North East Enforcement Division to pursue this matter further.

-Alex
Administrator

I looked that 155.325 up on the FCC to before I even asked. I was hoping he would reply and see what his answer was before someone else posted it. Damn it, my plan was foiled!! I kinda was leaning more on his side until I started searching around the FCC. The no-code license thing is also a little fishie.

PJ, you have a nice big vehicle now right? We can use it a mobile command unit for N.E.E.D.

N.E.E.D is on stadby Alex...

Or should it be no need?

All I find in CT for 155.325 is AMR (ambulance) and a few Hospitals… I agree, something is not quite right here. I don’t think you want to mess around with Med Comms, they will get upset fast!

Hey, Matt.. I has to go to Whelen first for the "outfitting". Maybe I can take out the third seat and install a shock therepy cage...

Of course. Just make sure you have a few extra outlets on the power supplies and but some EKG stickies on the ends instead of strobes

Pj wrote:Hey, Matt.. I has to go to Whelen first for the "outfitting". Maybe I can take out the third seat and install a shock therepy cage...

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo you guys are hurting ME now heh heh heh. OUCH.

I thought about letting him dig his hole deeper, but I've had my suspicions since his first post (see my earlier post on this thread.) Oh well, I think we all understand now.

Later,

Do I see the need for one of the local Newspaper reporter Chevy Tahoe with 5 Spectras in it, 2 scanners and 3 portables in it to be outfitted with one of those cages?

Matt wrote:Do I see the need for one of the local Newspaper reporter Chevy Tahoe with 5 Spectras in it, 2 scanners and 3 portables in it to be outfitted with one of those cages?

You don't need a cage. You can just put the patient on your roof between all the antennas. Then simply give each one of us a microphone and we all key up at once:)

What will he ask for next? How to get that cool sound in a radio that the FBI uses? lol But, I almost forgot, my radio programmer has never seen a radio, or RSS before lol

Sorry, I just HAD to add to this post

PJ - Reguarding East Hartford PD - In Manchester last year, I was listening to my radio, and for about 5 minutes someone keyed the repeater and spanish music was playing in the backround. Another policeman wanna bee.

PJ,

When u get that cage put into your Tahoe, take me for a ride because I need a good shocking!!! And yes, I can confirm that a certian common radio frequency of every police dept. in the Pioneer Valley, and Northern CT., does get some, ok, alot, espically on the midnight shift, of extra chatter. I think it's mostly the people that are "authorized" to use the channel are the one's making the chatter. Most of it is funny. I can remember certian nights rolling on the floor laughing... But, when there is a serious situation over the channel, it should be left alone. I have noticed that the channel has had alot less extra chatter...

Tony

Geeze you guys are harsh. I dont want you guys comming down on me, but just so you know, ( and a little on VHFRADIO's defense I guess. ) I have been dealing a little with this guy via Email.

He says hes a paramedic, that may explain the AMR frequency he's reffering to in VHF. When he says that he has a "license" on that frequency......you and I know it dosen't work that way. What I do know is, that I, myself have a FCC "Restricted Radiotelephone Operators Permit" that I got back in 1989 when I was a member of the Civil Air Patrol. Maybe if he works for AMR, they reqiured him to get a permit like that or something. He could mistakenly think it's for that specific frequency. (The dispatch frequency at "work".)

I don't know who this "Kerri" person is, but he did mention something in an Email to me about the "radio tech" being out of town for the month. Maybe "Kerri" could be someone from that part of the office, and feeding VHFRADIO a line of B.S. because she really don't want to program his radio or deal with him. That's just speculation.

Im don't know the details of the system he is tring to get on, but here's what I think, from what he's told me......Im not 100%, but I'd have to say that he may work for AMR, and he wants to use a personal radio to access the local fire frequencies when on scene. I think they can get on that system using the radio in the rig, but can only speak with their own dispatch when using company supplied HT's outside of the rig. (Maybe a band-split issue since fire in that area is UHF and AMR there is dispatched on VHF.)

Aside from the spelling and gramer, I think the guy's legit, he just don't know crap about radio. I know plenty of EMS, FIRE, and POLICE around here in San Diego that couldent tell you what trunking is, (Believe it.) and forget about QCII, MDC, PL's, DPL's, etc....

All the information he is seeking, is all stuff that an average scanner buff would know if he's been in the hobby for a while. VHFRADIO just needs help sorting it out, and putting it to use. Everything he wants to do could also be "figured-out" by looking at the Batlabs website, and reading past posts here on the forum.

When we offer advice and trade ideas, tips, and "secrets" on this particular forum, we usually assume the information is being used for legitimate purposes. I know I don't require a backgroud check and credit report before tring to help someone here. I completely understand what others like PJ are saying with regards to interferance, but like I said, I really don't think that's the case here. I think somethimes, some people are too quick to attack others. Lighten up, take it easy, if you really want to find out whats going on, we all have our Email addresses posted. Try asking more questions, maybe on a more personal level, insted of being so aggressive. In my opinion, the aggressiveness makes YOU look like the fool.

~Chad KG6ITH

I agree. Everybody is entitled to a a little bit of slack. And eventually it might be enough they can hang themselves with. But give the guy a chance. Guilty Beyond a reasonable doubt? You been watchin too much tivo. He wasn't even beyond perponderance of doubt. Another thing, you all bag on wanna be cops, then you all go after this guy like you were just deputized to the FCC swat team or something. Anyway, relax, this is a hobby and a source for very good information. I want to say again there is a wealth of knowledge that comes from this board, don't scare away members who came for help, not at first anyway.
Tyler

Just some points to ponder...

I agree that he may or may not be "all there".

VHFRADIO was attempting to buy a 800 Astro Smartzone radio. The only agency in CT that uses such a beast is the State Police. Run his name through the Batlabs search for all his posts. It may raise an eye.

Also, AMR does NOT require you to get any sort of license or permit. AMR in the state does not use portable radio's. Some guys have them, but they are really not suppose to. I have 3 friends that work for AMR, and they say that's the rules. The only time that AMR gets on the air with agencies in the state is when they are given permission to, and its rare. Cities that they were aware of was Enfield and Hartford. All dispatching is done on company frequencies (including Enfield...they MIGHT sign on the air on the fire channel, and my buddy says that channel is only in a couple of rigs). Hartford has a patch setup on a med channel that interfaces with their EDACS system.

I believe Hunters Ambulance provides backup/BLS coverage for Wallingford, not AMR.

Also in VHFRADIOS profile, it states that he works for Hunter's Ambulance or something to that effect.

I did a little digging and looked up the web sites for the fire department. Wallingford has paid and vol stations. Of all the "firefighter" member lists available, his name does not appear on any of them.

I can see what the last two posters are saying, but I tend to agree with the others. Something just isn't right.

If he is legit, then he should have no problem understanding where people are coming from. If not, then we have done our job. I don't think that people were agressive on the outset, but that we became suspicious as he posted more.

#1 just to point out...I have authorization to use what i want when i need it...#2...i don't need this kind of **** from you people...you know what you know....i know what i know....#3...if you wanted to humor yourselfs and just be total and complete idiots then why couldn't you do this through my email...and last but not least...i have a No code but i never wanted to operate the hambands because it is to much chatter....and i have the 155.3250 because i wanted to get my own pl's and use it for a side project i was working on....and i do not Work for AMR...infact i hate A:MR...there pay sucks and there overrated...my personal lifes are non of anyone's buisness....and i am not looking to TX on these freqs for anyreasons besides for an emergency....i think you should all stop being rent a cops and stop trying to drive me away from this board....because i am not leaving and i am not afraid of anyone calling N.E.E.D or the FCC...because you don't need to know my real name and you don't need to know who i am....i guess asking for help is outlawed on this site...when did the marshall law go into affect?...i don't remember...because when it comes down to it...you all will look pretty foolish yourselfs if i get a knock on the door by the FCC...because there is a law against SLANDER and i will file a suit against this site if i get a knock on my door....because i am registered and i am not afraid to admitt i am not perfect when it comes to spelling and grammer....if you have a come to me like a man...don't sit here and make fun of me like littel kids...because that is what you act like...i don't remember the last time you guys worked for the FCC....so don't come around telling me what i should and shouldn't ask and who i am.....because i sure as hell am gonna finish what i started and i will get what i need....

Thanks to all the people who helped me....

And to all the people who made fun of me and doubted me....

Just Stay out of my way

I too understand the points made by Chato and Trm . . . that's why I didn't post what I did right away.

I have been around two way radio a long time - nearly 30 years - in one form or another. I've used them at work for the past 22 years and my life may depend on mine at any time.

I took a lot into consideration before I made my last post on this thread.

I understand that a volunteer firefighter or first aider (or for that matter a paid member!) might know very little about his/her radio system and still be legit. I've dealt with folks like that over the years. The one thing that's universal is if they have official permission to be on the system, they have the needed info: frequencies, PL/DPL, etc. They may not understand it, but they have it, on official letterhead usually.

Next thing is that VHFRadio has far too many inconsistencies in his posts. He seems to know just enough to get into trouble. What do I mean? To me, "Kerri" is the key. She's the programmer, yet knows nothing about the HT1000, nor does she apparently know anything about the radio system that she's the programmer for. What is wrong with THAT picture? Again, the volunteers I've worked with had the info when they were authorised. Why would an authorised user have to come here for that basic info? It doesn't make sense.

Another thing to consider is in several posts and in his profile, he makes it clear he's "crazy" about radios, calls himself a "radio fanatic." Ok, most of us are. But for being "crazy" about them - a tipoff in itself - he should know more than he does. If he reads here regularly, he'd be more able to put a convincing arguement together. I'll tell you this. I've been a correction officer in the state prison for 22 years. I've seen TONS of cop wannabes, and based on my professional expertise, VHFRadio has it written ALL over his face.

Another thing I considered, as PRO Rf hinted at, is the variety of radios this guy has posted about wanting. If a UHF HT was the only thing he'd ever expressed interest in, maybe it would be different. But he's posted concerning his desire for low band, hi band, a UHF Syntor X 9000, 800, a centracom, and so on and on and on. None of this adds up to his claim of being authorised to have a radio for his job/volunteer position.

The last thing I considered was his claim about having an "operator's license" 155.325, and a "no code" license. Those two statements are absolutely false. Even if he has a restricted radiotelephone permit, that has about zero authority in this situation. It sure doesn't give him permission to operate a radio station on 155.325 or anywhere else (and I thought the UHF med channels he listed earlier were where he wanted to be anyway.) And I know for a fact he has no ham license which is what the no code reference would be.

So he's shooting all over the place, and been proven to be lying.

Is that the guy you want showing up on YOUR radio system one day?

Chato says he works in the media. As such, I'm sure he's seen enough damage caused by cop wannabees. They're dangerous.

As for Trm70c, you're a student. I mean no offense, but to me, that means you haven't dealt with this type of situation professionally. But think about the implications of this or some other guy showing up on a fire or first aid channel during a serious situation. Maybe it's YOUR house on fire, or someone in your family trapped in a wrecked car, and some nut decides that would be a good time to play the national anthem over the radio system. (It's different when you think about it being YOUR loved ones not getting the help they need, huh?)

And as for him hanging himself "eventually," in my view he did with his lies about having licenses we now know he doesn't have. And maybe for you Trm this is just a hobby. But it's not a hobby anymore when it involves public safety and the possible hazards presented to the legit users of same.

An FCC swat team? No. I've done the swat team thing already in real life anyway. But we ALL have a responsibility here to be semi-careful in the face of what I consider pretty heavy evidence of a problem in the making. I consider the evidence this case pretty strong.

I'm sorry if anyone is offended by my stand here. I'd say most of those who are offended don't depend on the radio for their safety, or haven't worked with those who do. I stand by my original feeling - this guy needs to get his info somewhere else. Batlabs has a reputation for being solid and needs to keep it that way.

VHFRADIO wrote:

And to all the people who made fun of me and doubted me....

Just Stay out of my way :evil:

I think this post says it all folks. The truth always rears its ugly head.

Oh, and should I be scared?

Ok, enough is enough.

I agree fully with W5ATX and his conclusions. Thanks for your insight Chris.

VHFRADIO - There is no such thing as N.E.E.D. it was a simple joke. However, if you do transmit where your not supposed to and you do interfear with public safety, the FCC doesn't take kindly to that.

Drop it.

Also, making threats on the board is a no-no.

Comments like:

because i sure as hell am gonna finish what i started and i will get what i need....

Will not be tolerated.

-Alex
Administrator