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Found this on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 67320&rd=1

My question is; wouldn't the Host R01.50.00/DSP R01.50.00 make this an "Alpha" radio despite what the add states?

F

a brand new OLD radio! Version 1.5 is OLD. Figure you'll need a host/dsp refresh right off the bat. Many enhancement/bug fixes since v1.5, especially if you want to listen to Astro audio.

George

i sent him a note a day or so ago telling him that


no reply....


go figure



doug

not true.....I DID REPLY.......and asked if there were any known problems with that firm version...to which I got no reply.. and there are different host/dsp versions for xts5k's from what I understand.....because acccording to the primer on astro.. with the most recent host/dsp of 4.5x.xx it isnt even IMBE, which is BS, I have no problemn monitoring an IMBE smartnet system with another XTS5k programmed from the same batch..same host/dsp/firm/flash....

and PLEASE check your sources about info... I was wrong about the host/dsp that I listed.....I honestly thought that 2.xx.xx was the latest host/dsp..but again....dont make statements that you're not sure of...it CAN "DO" digital..... and wont need a firm update unless there is a feature that isnt supported in the radio..but I honestly dont know what features arent supported with the "older" firm,but there arent any issues that I know of with that firm...and asked doug to confirm.....but didnt get a reply yet...but he's a busy man so........

read the primer again bozo


the 5k has a completely different host/dsp revision level than the astro saber and xts 3000.


host / dsp 1.5 for the 5000 equates to a first year radio.


however, you are correct in stating that with the correct flash to support IMBE/Smartzone/Bozonet - it will work just fine.



doug

and there are different host/dsp versions for xts5k's from what I understand

didnt I just say that ? ? ?

I never said it was a super duper maxed out host/dsp version.just that it's great for what it does....


and considering the xts5k is what ? ? 2 years old ? ? thats not that big of a deal....it'll work on about 99.9% of all the 800 smartnet /smartzone systems in the country.......IMBE or analog.....


the radio is fine....I just feel like someone was trying to say my radio was crap........

and there's no reason that I know of why the radio wouldnt work with any 800 meg smartnet / smartzone system......given the flash...unless it's VSELP

and a snippet from my auction ...

a note about the host/dsp versions.. some people might think these are low...even VSELP.. but this is just not the case.. this is an IMBE radio. Motorola revised it's host/dsp/firmware numbering with the XTS 5000.

so I'm not misleading anyone.....however if my information is incorrect please let me know, just like I was told i was wrong about the most recent firmware,I just dont like people saying "my" radios wont do digital without an update.....its crap like that , that kills sales........its hard enough with people ASSUMING stuff about radio's .. thats WHY i put the note about the host/dsp.. I didnt want people looking at the astro primer ...and seeing that it's "a VSELP" radio..when it's not.......

Well, if someone truely knew what they were looking at (buyer-wise), they would know that the XTS5000 never came in a VSELP offering...

-Mike

but the fact is........and even the person that started this topic could be an example of what I'm talking about,no offense,.. is a firefighter....or police officer...knowing that "we have xts-5000's"..and wanting a take-home or off-duty radio, and not knowing what the hell it is....and just buying an "xts-5000" and getting screwed in the process, so most people that buy the radio's dont really know what they need.or what it is, just that it's an "xts-5000" and "its digital"....obviously "sparky" knows some things otherwise he wouldnt be posting here..which is a good idea...there is a wealth of knowledge to be gained here...but having no information is better then dis-information, like saying "my" radio wont do digital without an update is BS,
but back to my original point...a lot of people dont know what they're looking for.....or.....they dont fully understand...or WANT to understand..the info that is given......check out one of my questions on the auction......
one guy gives a flashcode in his current radio..which he most likely was told by someone else to read off the back of his radio, and wants to know if the flashcode I have in mine is compatible....it seems to me the guy has some sense of what a flashcode is but doesnt really know. and it's people like that (not that there is anything wrong with that), that are gonna say I have a VSELP xts-5000 , or that my radio wont do digital without a host/dsp update.....it just irks me that someone would "put down" my equipment...without knowing everything about the radio and without contacting me and clarifying, its not like I'm misleading people, or lying to them.....EVERYTHING I said about the radio in the auction was true.. AGAIN.....I WAS MISTAKEN ABOUT THE MOST RECENT HOST/DSP VERSIONS......but that has been noted.......and thanks to doug and about 50 other people that decided to email me and let me know .....

it's MY equipment
it's MY auction
I'm NOT lying to anyone
I'm telling as much of the TRUTH as I can

if someone wants to buy one of my radio's without knowing what it is then it's on them, I'm not a babysitter

but I DONT need people talking about my radio like it's a piece of crap!!!If you dont want it then dont buy it....


and at that...I'd like a little time for rebuttal then lock this bad-boy down, because I dont want a stupid flame war over a friggin radio!

Dude, chill.

If I read one of the above post(s) correctly, or at least its intent..all people were trying to say that if this radio is bought, a person would be advised to upgrade the HOST/DSP.

XTS5000's were flaky with early firmware (like new cars) and that to ensure reliable operation, you would want the newest fixes (recalls) for it.

I think if you got rid of "Motorola revised it's host/dsp/firmware numbering with the XTS 5000" and just said "that with each nre radio introduced the verison number starts with 1.0", that would make more sense.

Doug was also saying that the firmware between a 3k and a 5k are different to begin with. I believe it was said you were making a comparison with the Astro primer. There were astro audio problems with the earily firmware. Not a big deal, but that's what was said.

I don't think that anyone was saying its "crap" however with all the XTS5000 (or any other astro's) floating around with old/invaild firmware/flashes...people get pretty worked up with the inaccruate descriptions on ebay these days.

Thread can contiune.

My original reply was a comment of a "brand new" radio with 2 yr old firmware. This may be misleading if someone were to purchase the radio thinking it has the latest firmware.

A more accurate description would be a NOS (new old stock) XTS5000.

There are numerous bug fixes and new features that have been added since version 1.5 firmware. Will these directly affect your ability to effectively use the radio? I cannot answer that. Would you benefit from a firmware refresh? most likely but the radio may perform to your satisfaction the way it is.

Bottom line, If I were going to use that radio in a public safety capacity I would definitely upgrade the firmware.

George

well it just seemed to me that the comment about "it'll need an update especially if you want to listen to astro audio" is what I have issue with, that kinda stuff effects sales, and I apologize if I'm a bit edgy, my mother is in the hospital,and I got a lot of bills to worry about as a result,which is why I was so pissed @ the comment about my radio not doing IMBE without an update.
when doug emailed me about the host/dsp ver. as well as a few other people... I asked three people if there were any known issues with that ver host/dsp. I got no reply from doug and one other person,and one person said there were no known issues,just that it was older and wouldnt support some of the "newer stuff" but the guy didnt say what "newer stuff" it didnt support, probably encryption types or something....

There are many bug fixes from version 1.5 to current version 4.5. Again not all the bug fixes would apply to how you use the XTS5000. Some are for APCO25 9600 baud systems, some for 3600 baud. There are also enhancements to the dsp which result in better decoded Astro audio. Another was the potential to have the radio be "sluggish" in a user input (chan select, button, etc) within 60 seconds of powering on the radio.

My comment about "especially if you want to listen to Astro audio" was meant to say that enhancements to the DSP with new firmware improve the radio's decoded audio, not that it needs the upgrade to decode at all. That is a factor of the flashcode in the radio.

Again it depends on how you have the radio configured as to whether the bugs would affect your useage.

Then we get to a lot of the new features which have been added since 1.5. So it again goes to say if you want the radio to be bug free (for all known bugs up to the current release) and/or want any of the new features it would be recommended to get a firmware refresh.

My post was the first reply to the poster stating the unit was on Ebay. My comment wasn' saying it was not worth buying, but to let people know the firmware was not the latest and that they need to factor in a possible firmware refresh if they would be affected by one of the old bugs or if they want functionality that requires a newer firmware.

Hope you sell the radio. I love my 5000's!

George

I think it's interesting that KB3JKP's avatar is a man running in circles.

Cause that's what he's doing

RocketNJ wrote:Some are for APCO25 9600 baud systems

Sorry for my pedantry, but APCO25 is 4800 baud.

It transmits 4800 symbols per second (the definition of "baud"), but 2 bits per symbol for 9600 bits per second.

Baud does NOT mean "bits per second" - it means "symbols per second". Baud may equal bits per second for 1 bit per symbol (like an RS-232 line), but that is a special case.

I was referring to control channel data rate.

George

Wowbagger wrote:

RocketNJ wrote:Some are for APCO25 9600 baud systems

Sorry for my pedantry, but APCO25 is 4800 baud.

It transmits 4800 symbols per second (the definition of "baud"), but 2 bits per symbol for 9600 bits per second.

Baud does NOT mean "bits per second" - it means "symbols per second". Baud may equal bits per second for 1 bit per symbol (like an RS-232 line), but that is a special case.