Hi there. What kind of computers do you use for programming? Im looking for one, so if you have one for sale, please let me know or email me at [email protected] Thanks again!
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You would be well ahead
of the game by getting
a very good computer for
programminmg your radios.
The better quality computer, the
better saftey factor for your radio
and hardware. If you use
a old 386 mother board that has
been handled by everyone, the ESD
danmage could cause the computer to
crash during programming.Using a questionable computer could cost
you 100's of dollars in repairs.
Toshibas, and other Desktop
computers are a great choice.
I use a older series T3200SX
series and have had perfect
results. I will keep my fingers
crossed. I have herd of some real
problems with computers damaging
the code pulgs. Software too.
So you would be well advised to
stick with a Clock speed of a 386 or
486 if you plan to program Motorola
eeradios.
Make sure you have suitable RAM as well
Motorola has a good reputation of charging
a much as $350 and up for restoring a code
plugs damaged by poor programming stations.
You get what you pay for these days.
Dan
of the game by getting
a very good computer for
programminmg your radios.
The better quality computer, the
better saftey factor for your radio
and hardware. If you use
a old 386 mother board that has
been handled by everyone, the ESD
danmage could cause the computer to
crash during programming.Using a questionable computer could cost
you 100's of dollars in repairs.
Toshibas, and other Desktop
computers are a great choice.
I use a older series T3200SX
series and have had perfect
results. I will keep my fingers
crossed. I have herd of some real
problems with computers damaging
the code pulgs. Software too.
So you would be well advised to
stick with a Clock speed of a 386 or
486 if you plan to program Motorola
eeradios.
Make sure you have suitable RAM as well
Motorola has a good reputation of charging
a much as $350 and up for restoring a code
plugs damaged by poor programming stations.
You get what you pay for these days.
Dan
I have a 486/100 laptop. I don't know who it is made by, but it works fine for Maxtracs, Spectras, Sabers, MT series, HT1000, MT2000's, MTX series... Who knows what else, and it works great. I suggest reading the programing primer on this site, and listening to the people who program the radios all the time. I believe at some point, Monty will throw his $0.10 in on what that is, and I would recomend following that...
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Hi:
As most know, I always suggest what comes
right from the FACTORY RSS Programming Manuel. That will assure one of having a stable programmimg platform.
All those perosns with the Licensed Softare
are pretty knowledgable and they do read the
instructions and guidelines
Regardless if the Computer is FREE, there
is a considerable amount of time and effort
that goes into assuring a computer is safe
to program a wide collection of Motorola products.
Good Internal Battery, Power Supply, Bios
properly set up, Good OS, Known good Hard Drive, suitable RAM, and finding a older series computer that is all original is becoming rare. One can spend alot of time just in the proper " Set-up" of a good computer, and time is worth something these days. If you have a good education, you can spend your time instead of monies in making a good programming platform.
Anyhow, the cost of Computers these days
are really pretty resonable. Setting them
up and insuring to a 3rd party is another
issue.
I have seen many report they have Pentiums
with a clock speed of 500 Mhz and above having good results, but unless the RSS was
written for that speed and OS, you take a real risk in pushing F8.
I wish I could report the same results, but
even a Toshiba Tecra 510CDT still will not
program a Maxtrac / Radius Mobile.
It may work many times for others, , but it only takes one time to corrupt the radio. And with Win95. Win98, Win93SE, WinMe, and the like, well even the Computer by itself can have a problem in locking up. If this should happen during a Programming session, one could be in for a hefty service bill. I have seen some as high as 379.00 for Astro-Sabers, and as low as 110.00 for HT600's.
It's always been my opinion to have a " Stand
Alone" Computer for Radio programming. Make
sure you have a Good Error Free Hard Drive, and in the case of a Laptop, a good battery,
and AC supply along with a Suitable Rib Box
and DC / AC support for the same.
I also have a list of Hard Drives from the
Most Reliable to the Worst, and beleive
me, there are alot of horrible HD's out there
these days with bad sectors to heads. Place
a horrible hard Drive into a Computer and if its used to program Motorola radios, and the head crashes, your radio will follow.
As we come closer to more advanced radios, the OS, Programmimg computer & hardware should match the radio being programed.
I have just seen 1000's of radios with corrupted code plugs from a varity of
home-made rib boxes, and bread-board computers. I have even seen a case where
one advertised " Nip=Clips" to attach / hold
onto the back of a GP300...Although it probably did work, I have made alot of monies
off persons who have moved the Clip during the program process only to learn the 20.00
clone cable turned their radio into a paper
weight and cost them 85.00 to have me fix it.
They should have just purchased the proper cable and been done with it.
And YES, one can build a Rib Box ( with the
Exception of Series E ) as if you use ALL the Exact same componets, it will work just as good as the Factory Motorola Rib Box. The
IC's are the Critical issue there.
The same applies to the Programming Cables.
If you build a good cable, you will have
excellent results. Use a Old Mic Cable end
with Bent or corroided pins, you may be in for trouble.
The HT1000's are the worst I have seen. They
are super easy to damage....I know why Motorola made them that way.....
If one has just "general" construction skills
one can make a good Rib Box, but not everyone
knows how to solder. And it only takes "one"
misstake during the program cycle to damage
a Motorola radio.
Personally, I do not understand why our best
mfg of radios would make a radio that is so
dam sensitve to Programming corruptions.
In the old days, it was almost impossible to damage radios like Ht600's and the like. Now
one must have the " Latest " version SW just
to even " Read " the radio.
Todays radios one MUST have a protective cover over the program contacts
as I have seen cases ( especially In LV ) where a simple static discharge will corupt a HT1000/MTS/ & others if the contacts are exposed...Now they have
large rubber covers, and protective extensions to prevent this from happening.
( and its not just for dust either )
And, well, I still do not know how one
recovers from the CDM / Pro series radios.
Seems they are a Factory Issue ( period )
The old days are gone, and one should be
very carful in programming Motorola radios.
It would not be so bad if the dam SW and repairs from the Service Depot was not so
expensive.But if you desire quality, you have
to live with ~//~ as much as anyone else.
Trying to short cut them...Forget It
The new generation Motorola persons are not
intersted in selling " pins" and pieces anylonger. You have to buy the whole cable.
Anyone ever find the part numbers for the
Saber contact fingers in the mic Plug? If so, I would like to know them.
Soon, it will be the entire product.
And yes, techs will still be around to
replace batteries, antennas, and the like.
Hpefully, I will have retired by then.
Monty
As most know, I always suggest what comes
right from the FACTORY RSS Programming Manuel. That will assure one of having a stable programmimg platform.
All those perosns with the Licensed Softare
are pretty knowledgable and they do read the
instructions and guidelines
Regardless if the Computer is FREE, there
is a considerable amount of time and effort
that goes into assuring a computer is safe
to program a wide collection of Motorola products.
Good Internal Battery, Power Supply, Bios
properly set up, Good OS, Known good Hard Drive, suitable RAM, and finding a older series computer that is all original is becoming rare. One can spend alot of time just in the proper " Set-up" of a good computer, and time is worth something these days. If you have a good education, you can spend your time instead of monies in making a good programming platform.
Anyhow, the cost of Computers these days
are really pretty resonable. Setting them
up and insuring to a 3rd party is another
issue.
I have seen many report they have Pentiums
with a clock speed of 500 Mhz and above having good results, but unless the RSS was
written for that speed and OS, you take a real risk in pushing F8.
I wish I could report the same results, but
even a Toshiba Tecra 510CDT still will not
program a Maxtrac / Radius Mobile.
It may work many times for others, , but it only takes one time to corrupt the radio. And with Win95. Win98, Win93SE, WinMe, and the like, well even the Computer by itself can have a problem in locking up. If this should happen during a Programming session, one could be in for a hefty service bill. I have seen some as high as 379.00 for Astro-Sabers, and as low as 110.00 for HT600's.
It's always been my opinion to have a " Stand
Alone" Computer for Radio programming. Make
sure you have a Good Error Free Hard Drive, and in the case of a Laptop, a good battery,
and AC supply along with a Suitable Rib Box
and DC / AC support for the same.
I also have a list of Hard Drives from the
Most Reliable to the Worst, and beleive
me, there are alot of horrible HD's out there
these days with bad sectors to heads. Place
a horrible hard Drive into a Computer and if its used to program Motorola radios, and the head crashes, your radio will follow.
As we come closer to more advanced radios, the OS, Programmimg computer & hardware should match the radio being programed.
I have just seen 1000's of radios with corrupted code plugs from a varity of
home-made rib boxes, and bread-board computers. I have even seen a case where
one advertised " Nip=Clips" to attach / hold
onto the back of a GP300...Although it probably did work, I have made alot of monies
off persons who have moved the Clip during the program process only to learn the 20.00
clone cable turned their radio into a paper
weight and cost them 85.00 to have me fix it.
They should have just purchased the proper cable and been done with it.
And YES, one can build a Rib Box ( with the
Exception of Series E ) as if you use ALL the Exact same componets, it will work just as good as the Factory Motorola Rib Box. The
IC's are the Critical issue there.
The same applies to the Programming Cables.
If you build a good cable, you will have
excellent results. Use a Old Mic Cable end
with Bent or corroided pins, you may be in for trouble.
The HT1000's are the worst I have seen. They
are super easy to damage....I know why Motorola made them that way.....
If one has just "general" construction skills
one can make a good Rib Box, but not everyone
knows how to solder. And it only takes "one"
misstake during the program cycle to damage
a Motorola radio.
Personally, I do not understand why our best
mfg of radios would make a radio that is so
dam sensitve to Programming corruptions.
In the old days, it was almost impossible to damage radios like Ht600's and the like. Now
one must have the " Latest " version SW just
to even " Read " the radio.
Todays radios one MUST have a protective cover over the program contacts
as I have seen cases ( especially In LV ) where a simple static discharge will corupt a HT1000/MTS/ & others if the contacts are exposed...Now they have
large rubber covers, and protective extensions to prevent this from happening.
( and its not just for dust either )
And, well, I still do not know how one
recovers from the CDM / Pro series radios.
Seems they are a Factory Issue ( period )
The old days are gone, and one should be
very carful in programming Motorola radios.
It would not be so bad if the dam SW and repairs from the Service Depot was not so
expensive.But if you desire quality, you have
to live with ~//~ as much as anyone else.
Trying to short cut them...Forget It
The new generation Motorola persons are not
intersted in selling " pins" and pieces anylonger. You have to buy the whole cable.
Anyone ever find the part numbers for the
Saber contact fingers in the mic Plug? If so, I would like to know them.
Soon, it will be the entire product.
And yes, techs will still be around to
replace batteries, antennas, and the like.
Hpefully, I will have retired by then.
Monty