New Thales Liberty(tm) Triband Handheld
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It's weird. When I called them about new keypads and side ports I got several in the mail a few days earlier with a nice letter from them. They even threw in coasters and other marketing items in the last battery order.
I guess it's hit and miss and it depends on who you talk to.
I guess it's hit and miss and it depends on who you talk to.
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http://mrtmag.com/iwce/news/p25-radios-thales-0228/
"Although the radio currently is being field tested by the DHS and public-safety agencies, Stephen Nicholas, Thales’ marketing communications manager, said he expects it to be available in 2009 with a cost of approximately $4000 to $6000 per device. All Thales products are metal-cased and submersible; however, the radio currently doesn’t meet full military specifications."
"Although the radio currently is being field tested by the DHS and public-safety agencies, Stephen Nicholas, Thales’ marketing communications manager, said he expects it to be available in 2009 with a cost of approximately $4000 to $6000 per device. All Thales products are metal-cased and submersible; however, the radio currently doesn’t meet full military specifications."
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Well, what the hell... I'm on board, put me down for one. I just hope a Batboard group buy does happen.
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ya.. and most of us will never hear the end if our spouse find out how much we spent.. eeekkk....
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Moto is working on a Tri-band: VHF & 700/800MHz (no UHF) for their customers like Phoenix/Mesa that have 800MHz (and eventually 700MHz) and VHF.
I'm surprised that there isn't any chatter on this board about it. But I'm new (new ex-Mo) to the board. Now in the distributor biz....
I'm surprised that there isn't any chatter on this board about it. But I'm new (new ex-Mo) to the board. Now in the distributor biz....
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So does anybody have any actual pictures of this thing to post?!
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Pictures of this "thing" are on page 1 of the thread.
One of our admins has actually seen and handled one
the units. Also see:
http://www.thalesliberty.com/image_file ... y%20AD.pdf
One of our admins has actually seen and handled one
the units. Also see:
http://www.thalesliberty.com/image_file ... y%20AD.pdf
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Well I was kinda looking for the real pictures, not a 3D rendering... Maybe a picture of someone actually playing with it, and hopefully a screenshot or two of what the real GUI looks like.Tom in D.C. wrote:Pictures of this "thing" are on page 1 of the thread.
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I would be inteested in any new Moto Tri-Band radio info anyone gets ahold of. Our county will supposedly have this equipment in late 2010 and I'll get to mess with it.. And ofcourse, a new thread for that topic as well.
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New Thales Liberty(tm) Triband Handheld
Does anybody know if any of these are out in the field anywhere yet or are there any reviews on these yet?
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They are in the process of being tested and displayed at various shows. Most parts are fully functional. The units we have looked at worked very well and were extremely well designed, very impressive unit at that price point.
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We will be at APCO with them, Stop by and visit
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Isn't that in KC this year?
Bringing any MBITRs ?
Bringing any MBITRs ?
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I'll take one!
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If anyone has any questions on the Liberty, feel free to email me or come see me at APCO.
Scott Glazer
Product Applications Specialist
Thales Communications Inc.
22605 Gateway Center Drive
Clarksburg, Maryland 20871
scott.glazer@thalescomminc.com
Scott Glazer
Product Applications Specialist
Thales Communications Inc.
22605 Gateway Center Drive
Clarksburg, Maryland 20871
scott.glazer@thalescomminc.com
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Hi Scott
email sent
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Mitch
email sent
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Mitch
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You can now order Demo units of the Liberty. I've ordered Demo's thru my Department and received an email stating they should arrive to me some time in early August.
http://www.thalesliberty.com
http://www.thalesliberty.com
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I'm in on whatever group buy happens. Expect to see a whole bunch of Circle M gear getting dumped either here or on eGay when it all goes down.
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New Thales Liberty(tm) Triband Handheld
I am told that this is not compliant with 9600 baud systems. Does anybody know for sure?
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It will do P25 trunking.Jim1348 wrote:I am told that this is not compliant with 9600 baud systems. Does anybody know for sure?
Jim
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Keep in mind it's a standards radio. What does this mean? If it's a published and open standard and is licensed, they will put it into the radio. Since P25 is an open standard it will support these systems without any problems. In cases where certain vendors "add" features, those features will probably not appear in the Liberty.n7maq wrote:It will do P25 trunking.Jim1348 wrote:I am told that this is not compliant with 9600 baud systems. Does anybody know for sure?
Jim
Example: TMS isn't something that (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) is part of the P25 spec. It's something Motorola added on. This would not be in the Liberty.
Example: MDC will not be in the liberty because it's not an open standard and Motorola will not license it due to the fact it's considered legacy. (If it was really consider it legacy, how come it's still in main line production radios? That's what I thought...)
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I am pretty sure MDC1200 is off patent and Motorola can no longer control licensing on it. If I'm incorrect someone please set me straight.
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I've heard the same thing - bottom line is that I'm not sure how that all works since I am obviously not an IP lawyer. I've mentioned it to Steve at Thales as well, and he said that they approached Motorola and Motorola said they weren't licensing it anymore. Since it's in probably a very high percentage of Public Safety radios I would think it would be something that would be worth their time and expense to include.
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one of the patents is but there are about 3 others that are not. as Alex said, I am not a lawer eitherescomm wrote:I am pretty sure MDC1200 is off patent and Motorola can no longer control licensing on it. If I'm incorrect someone please set me straight.
MDC-1200 is patented under US patents 4,457,005 4,517,561 4,590,473 and 4,517,669
4,457,005 is expired not the others.
you can search them here https://ramps.uspto.gov/eram/patentMaintFees.do
or look here to bring up the patent http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm
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I am supposed to get one of the new Motorola multi-band units to field test around December. Would still like to get my hands on the Liberty though.
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The folks who did the P25 stack for this radio are "two years ahead of us (Motorola)", according to a particular /\/\ engineer. It's a pretty exciting piece of kit.smokeybehr wrote:I'm in on whatever group buy happens. Expect to see a whole bunch of Circle M gear getting dumped either here or on eGay when it all goes down.
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I believe Thales are running a demo program for bona fide agencies.jban wrote:I am supposed to get one of the new Motorola multi-band units to field test around December. Would still like to get my hands on the Liberty though.
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Guys I heard today from couple of EMA people in Puerto Rico, that an initial order was placed for 48 Liberty Radios. I'll keep you informed.
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The demos are being run through DHS. Those that are "on the list" will get them in Jan. while in Boulder CO (NTIA/NIST) where Thales will provide training on the radio and define the demo program/expectations. Thales with the assistance of DHS (funding) appear to have done a great job with this radio. We'll know more once field testing begins. It is a solid radio.
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Does this mean Thales has specs on rx-sensitivity now?
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I would have to believe they have everything all lined out now with the exception of any proprietary technology.
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Have pictures of them of an actual usage of the Radio in Puerto Rico. Will post them soon.
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I don't see any information on their website indicating the RX specs (or TX specs for that matter)Nexrad16 wrote:I would have to believe they have everything all lined out now with the exception of any proprietary technology.
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Thanks for the actual pictures, that is exactly what I wanted! I did get to handle one right before Christmas. Are they actually shipping units now? If so, how do we actually get a sales rep to sell us one? And even better, what happened to the group buy idea?
Thanks,
Andrew
Thanks,
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Currently on GSA Schedule only at $5300 per unit for the portables. Mobile is a nice unit, but has some refinements coming before finalized.adorsett wrote:Thanks for the actual pictures, that is exactly what I wanted! I did get to handle one right before Christmas. Are they actually shipping units now? If so, how do we actually get a sales rep to sell us one? And even better, what happened to the group buy idea?
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https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/rep ... 4102023501
GRANT OF EQUIPMENT
AUTHORIZATION TCB
Certification
Issued Under the Authority of the
Federal Communications Commission
By:
American TCB, Inc.
6731 Whittier Avenue Suite C110
McLean, VA 22101
Date of Grant: 04/21/2009
Application Dated: 04/16/2009
Thales Communications Inc
22605 Gateway Center Drive
Clarksburg, MD 20871
Attention: Kimberly Appleby , Director of Contracts
NOT TRANSFERABLE
EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION is hereby issued to the named GRANTEE, and is VALID ONLY for the equipment identified hereon for use under the Commission's Rules and Regulations listed below.
FCC IDENTIFIER: OKC-4102023501
Name of Grantee: Thales Communications Inc
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GRANT OF EQUIPMENT
AUTHORIZATION TCB
Certification
Issued Under the Authority of the
Federal Communications Commission
By:
American TCB, Inc.
6731 Whittier Avenue Suite C110
McLean, VA 22101
Date of Grant: 04/21/2009
Application Dated: 04/16/2009
Thales Communications Inc
22605 Gateway Center Drive
Clarksburg, MD 20871
Attention: Kimberly Appleby , Director of Contracts
NOT TRANSFERABLE
EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION is hereby issued to the named GRANTEE, and is VALID ONLY for the equipment identified hereon for use under the Commission's Rules and Regulations listed below.
FCC IDENTIFIER: OKC-4102023501
Name of Grantee: Thales Communications Inc
Equipment Class: Licensed Non-Broadcast Station Transmitter
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Range (MHZ) Output
Watts Frequency
Tolerance Emission
Designator
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BE EF 74, 90 380.0 - 454.0 5.0 1.5 PM 8K10F1D
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Re: New Thales Liberty(tm) Triband Handheld
Well I took delivery of a dozen or so Liberty's today. Initial impressions, very impressed. I am glad there is finally a someone listening to users and there needs and building a radio that performs well.
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oops nice thumb print
I guess a Thales in the hand beats a VaporX in the bush any day!
Over the next week we will be putting them through there paces and trying to find any weaknesses if there are any
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oops nice thumb print
I guess a Thales in the hand beats a VaporX in the bush any day!
Over the next week we will be putting them through there paces and trying to find any weaknesses if there are any
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Hey.... Our APX demo just arrived today so I will bring it! I'd take a picture of it but my flash won't work... Damn thing. See ya tomorrow! ![8)](./images/smilies/icon_cool.gif)
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Have they fixed the boot time on the Liberty's yet? roughly 30sec still?
tpg
Have they fixed the boot time on the Liberty's yet? roughly 30sec still?
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Whoops... looks like the radio cut off the text there. Better file a bug report.
Wonder what the caution tape across the top of the display is for.
Too bad you have to squint to read the icons.
Wonder what the caution tape across the top of the display is for.
Too bad you have to squint to read the icons.
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A French company saying give me liberty....? I chuckled
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Practice makes perfectescomm wrote:A French company saying give me liberty....? I chuckled
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The icons are really no problem to read, maybe its a bad pic, or you need glasses?? The boot time is a little long right now, but actual time to PTT capability is only a few seconds longer than a XTS5000, running voice files, dual systems and conventional. Turning it on prior to jumping out of the truck it is ready to talk before I am.
The software is still in beta and working bugs out, that's the purpose of them being here. The menu's however are far and above the best and most intuitive I have worked with in a radio.
The APX has alot to offer but being first to market will play alot especially with three bands ready to go. The type acceptance scores are also much better on the Liberty radio. Moto has been my primary work radio for several decades now, but it looks like there is some very true competition making huge headway and going to make the big blue giant realize its GAME ON.
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The software is still in beta and working bugs out, that's the purpose of them being here. The menu's however are far and above the best and most intuitive I have worked with in a radio.
The APX has alot to offer but being first to market will play alot especially with three bands ready to go. The type acceptance scores are also much better on the Liberty radio. Moto has been my primary work radio for several decades now, but it looks like there is some very true competition making huge headway and going to make the big blue giant realize its GAME ON.
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You do recall of course just where the statue of "Liberty Enlightening the World" is from, right? Seems appropiriate to me.escomm wrote:A French company saying give me liberty....? I chuckled
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I don't think we're here to debate semantics of where a company is or is not from. How many radios does Motorola or M/A Com etc make in the US these days? All of the Thales radios and their components are made right here in the USA.
"As a U.S. proxy company, Thales Communications is 100% American and, therefore, free of "foreign ownership, control and influence." "
Let us focus on the technology, not the politics. thats for other sites.
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HEY! I lost the APX in the Denver Airport. Anyone seen it? Danm....
Liberty font size is adjustable as I recall.
Now back to hunting my APX. See you in Indy in a couple of hours.
Liberty font size is adjustable as I recall.
Now back to hunting my APX. See you in Indy in a couple of hours.
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Actually you missed the entire point of my post, meant to cause a chuckle and not get you foaming at the mouth, but Thales is definitely moving up in the game as they have a fanboi or two.resqguy911 wrote: I don't think we're here to debate semantics of where a company is or is not from. How many radios does Motorola or M/A Com etc make in the US these days? All of the Thales radios and their components are made right here in the USA.
I would like to know what exactly constitutes the definition of "everything" is made in the USA. Is that right down to the displays, microphone electrets, battery cells etc? Because none of these things are widely manufactured in the US, and it would be interesting to see how Thales managed to set up fabs for all the components.
You are correct that Motorola does not make radios in the US, the bulk of the components are fabricated in Penang and elsewhere and final assembly is done here in the US. I don't see a foreign fab as being a bad thing right off the bat, as long as quality control is solid. I think it's safe to say that Motorola's QC is top-notch.
I don't see any problem discussing where a company is from. Lord knows we've had enough to say about manufacturers in China. IMO, the only reason Thales set up a proxy company was so they could sell to the Feds. There are not many foreign defense contractors supporting Type 1 encryption (and I do believe the Liberty is Type 1 compatible, yes?)
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I'm not foaming! I missed the implied humor I suppose. No worries. And regarding 'everything' ok, maybe 'a whole lot'. By that I mean; they etch and SMT their own boards, machine the housings, design and test labs, etc. I don't work there, but its convenient enough to visit and see in person. I've not had the chance to visit Penang yet... ![:o](./images/smilies/icon_eek.gif)
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Jeff, from the radio standpoint (the brick itself) it and all parts inside are 100% US origin. I am almost 100% that the antenna and battery are also (will let you know tomorrow on that).escomm wrote: I would like to know what exactly constitutes the definition of "everything" is made in the USA. Is that right down to the displays, microphone electrets, battery cells etc? Because none of these things are widely manufactured in the US, and it would be interesting to see how Thales managed to set up fabs for all the components.
There are not many foreign defense contractors supporting Type 1 encryption (and I do believe the Liberty is Type 1 compatible, yes?)
The Liberty is not nor will be a Type 1 radio.