Hi
Let me ask maybe some can help?
I have a astro saber with only a 512k vocon in it can I take say a 1 meg vocon out of a UHF astro saber and put it in to the 800 mhz radio? If so what would I have to do as to changing it from UHF to 800 mhz? Or does it change by what RF stuff is in it by it's self?
I hope I'm saying this right.
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Why do you want to upgrade to a 1 meg vocon? Do you need Omnilink Trunking? Encrypted APCO25 Packet Data? APCO25 OTAR? If not, leave it alone. A 512K vocon will do everything 99.5% of us need it to do.
Now, if you put a vocoder from a UHF into an 800, or for that matter swap vocoders from radios with mismatched bands, then you will see the infamout FAIL001 error and the radio will be useless. The rf info is stored in the codeplug on the vocoder. You cannot change bands in a codeplug. The vocon will have to be flashed with the appropriate codeplug.
Moral of the story is to not bother.
Now, if you put a vocoder from a UHF into an 800, or for that matter swap vocoders from radios with mismatched bands, then you will see the infamout FAIL001 error and the radio will be useless. The rf info is stored in the codeplug on the vocoder. You cannot change bands in a codeplug. The vocon will have to be flashed with the appropriate codeplug.
Moral of the story is to not bother.
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You can have it in your flashcode, but Omnilink will either not work or not work properly on 05.60.00/6.05.02 host/dsp. This feature was added in host version 7.x.x. Omnilink is really a system feature (basically an integration of multiple smartzone systems), but there is some effort on the part of the radio.
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Thats interesting to know. Considering that roaming is done by the system, I believe you. I don't think Moto officially blesses pre 7.x.x host firmware releases to work with Omnilink. It's just a matter of testing, and that is a major effort.
I don't know about now, but MTS2000 used to have 512K flash parts. Actually, they started with 128K flash parts. Keep in mind that the flash parts in these radios don't equate to memory in a digital camera or computer. The flash memory in a radio is static. All it is used for is to store and execute the firmware. It is not like RAM and having more does not make the radio run faster or better. Even the RAM in these radios is fixed to a very small amount and I can tell you they have to junp through hoops to make sure they are effectively using it. This is true with almost all embedded systems.
The reason M switched to 1Meg flash parts is two fold. One is because the foot print of the firmware broke the 512K barrier. The other is that 1Mb flash parts were cheaper because of their availability. XTS5000s have 8Mb, but the firmware is still small enough to fit in a 1Mb flash part. It's all a matter of cost and availability. Of course they also want to make sure they have enough flash memory so that later versions that have more features and have a larger memory footprint will fit in these radios without a hardware upgrade. Remember Bill Gate's comment of 640K of RAM being "enough"?
I don't know about now, but MTS2000 used to have 512K flash parts. Actually, they started with 128K flash parts. Keep in mind that the flash parts in these radios don't equate to memory in a digital camera or computer. The flash memory in a radio is static. All it is used for is to store and execute the firmware. It is not like RAM and having more does not make the radio run faster or better. Even the RAM in these radios is fixed to a very small amount and I can tell you they have to junp through hoops to make sure they are effectively using it. This is true with almost all embedded systems.
The reason M switched to 1Meg flash parts is two fold. One is because the foot print of the firmware broke the 512K barrier. The other is that 1Mb flash parts were cheaper because of their availability. XTS5000s have 8Mb, but the firmware is still small enough to fit in a 1Mb flash part. It's all a matter of cost and availability. Of course they also want to make sure they have enough flash memory so that later versions that have more features and have a larger memory footprint will fit in these radios without a hardware upgrade. Remember Bill Gate's comment of 640K of RAM being "enough"?
Eveything that I have read here, and from what one tech told me at the depot, is that you only need 1meg for the APCO25 9.6k trunking. When the AS's came out in quanilty, IMBE wasn't around yet, hence all the 512k radios.
With some of the features that can be packed into the radio minus the P25 trunking, I too am suprised that you wouldn't need larger memory for some of them.
With some of the features that can be packed into the radio minus the P25 trunking, I too am suprised that you wouldn't need larger memory for some of them.
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I need a 1 meg vocon to be able to do the 9.6k control channels that's the whole reason I was asking sorry I should of stated that.XDCLabs.COM wrote:Why do you want to upgrade to a 1 meg vocon? Do you need Omnilink Trunking? Encrypted APCO25 Packet Data? APCO25 OTAR? If not, leave it alone. A 512K vocon will do everything 99.5% of us need it to do.
Now, if you put a vocoder from a UHF into an 800, or for that matter swap vocoders from radios with mismatched bands, then you will see the infamout FAIL001 error and the radio will be useless. The rf info is stored in the codeplug on the vocoder. You cannot change bands in a codeplug. The vocon will have to be flashed with the appropriate codeplug.
Moral of the story is to not bother.
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Yes I failed to mention the 9.6K CC. You will need a 1meg for that, because the firmware will not physically fit on a 512K. So you will need 3 things. A vocon with a 1 meg flash part that has a codeplug (matchng rf band) with the 9.6 flashcode and host firmware version 7.x.x. I can't remember the exact version that added 9.6 capability. If all you have a 1 meg vocon, you could have M upgrade it for you. That may cost more than what you paid for your radio. I don't know how much, though. There are other ways...