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<b>Updated post of install various install pictures on the truck. More will be coming. Thanks to Jaymz for giving me some web hosting space!</b>

<B><u>NEW UPDATE:</u></B>

Console work has been progressing over the last couple days. I'm about 75% done at this point.

Factory Console removal went rather well despite being made of way too many sub assemblies and parts for what it is... plastic extrusion. I swear we removed a million screws from this thing. Everything came right out including the bose audio amp/brain and the sub woofer. GM was nice enough to carpet the entire floor under the console.

Gamber-Johnson Console went in smoothly. I am glad I thought of using an additional 9 inch EPIC console and bolting it to the 17i nch EPIC section to make a larger mounting area. Same concept Troy uses with their MODCON line

Things that went bad (minor problems)

I broke 3 "jesus" clip retainers on the door seal trim area and kick panels (we all know these things snap off all the time. Just stopped off at GM and ordered replacements. They look ok but I doubt they'll survive another removal if I need to change something. Better to have new on hand. Notice the spot in the dash where the factory console used to be? Well if I want to hide that I have to buy the entire piece that goes around the glove box at a cost of $272! I may try to to custom fabricate something in there... possibly a new sub woofer box down to the floor. We'll see. Otherwise I'll just spend the $272 and get the OEM part.

New trim parts arrived today so those will be replaced tomorrow.


I came up short on one spectra cable and ended up routing another one up the drive's side wiring channel instead of the passenger side where the other radios go.

I'm stuck waiting on a faceplate from Gamber-Johnson for the Orion to arrive. Cupholder is from JottoDesk with the reverse slope to keep it level. Fits perfectly too.

Rear stereo control head is being measured up for its custom faceplate to mount on the rear of the console. As for the damn subwoofer I think I'll basically be building it into a speaker box below the dash panel.

The exposed area between the rear of the console and the truck floor will be enclosed with additional stainless steel to make the console actually sit flush with the floor with no gaps. When that's done you won't be able to see the silver box that is the Bose audio brain/amp.

I used the GM wiring to power the 2 light sockets and the Streamlight charger. The 3 cable runs include the remote control head cables, the 4ga front power lead and the factory GM wiring. If can hide the wire looms I wil.. I am somewhat stuck with the GM one where it right now. Might try to run them under the carpeting as well.

Also waiting on 3 l bracket mic clips for the side of the console. Less used mics are mounted on the front and will be below the PDRC mount.

PDRC mount is also on order and will slide into the DS-9 pole assembly mounted to the front of the top plate.

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NEW CONSOLE PICTURES! 1-11-2004

Custom rear stereo control head mount and console base shroud are in. Again stainless steel was used to make the parts with a matching textured powder coat finish applied. I know it doesn't match in the pictures but that's because of the camera flash. A few other misc items have been put on such as mic clips, 18inch FS little lite and all the speakers are now properly mounted. Some of the loose wiring seen goes to the GPS and or PDRC mount. The NotepadIV mount in there is just temporary until the rear laptop docking station is installed. I need to run GPS while I was in ohio. The LB Orion is in and up on 52.525 and the Garmin GPS III+ was installed using a R-A-M mount. I know the 2 mounting bolts on the stereo faceplate don't match - I'll replace them as soon as I can find black hex head hardware that will fit.

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The BOSE audio subwoofer is still sitting on the floor behind the passenger seat. Hopefully it will be remounted before I leave for Ohio next week.


The plate was custom machine from 12 Gauge Stainless Steel then powdered coated in satin black. Mounting bracktes were also made out of the same gauge stainless and powder coated as well.

The plate is attached to existing stock seat bolt locations with c type brackets in the front and l type brackets in the rear. No drilling was needed into the floorpan or any other part of the truck. Located under the 60/40 split rear seat on the drivers side, the plate allows for full use of th seat adjustments including laying them flat for cargo needs. No stock functionality of the seats was changed or prohibited. Part of the plate does extend into the 3rd seat foot well area. This is not a problem as I have no use for the third seat anyway and just keep it folded up out of the way. If I could find a place to store it around the house it wouldn't even be in the truck still.


Holes were punched to accomodate the following radios. Mounting bolts have rubber washers to inhibit direct metal contact.

Astro Spectra 110w (2)

MACOM Orion (2)

Astro Spectra 800 (1)

2 power studs

2 9 position fuse blocks


Another similar mount will be located under the passenger middle seat for the warning equipment

Notice how the radios simply dissappear underneath the seat when its up.

I should have the rest of the radios and brackets installed tomorrow.

I still have the RF, control and DC wiring to finish as well.


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1-14-2004 New pics of the almost fully loaded mounting tray. The blank spot is for an 800Mhz EDACS Orion if I can ever find one.

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Ok some new stuff. Installed a CPI Cast Product Inc speaker behind the grill. Both the bracket and the speaker housing a cast aluminum with a custom fit bracket for 2000 or newer Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban. Very sweet install, tollerances are tight and it fits perfectly. Only needed to drill 3 holes into some bracing and bolt it in. VERY SOLID.

THe grilll and headlamp removal was a snap. Took ten minutes as everything is secure with 1/4 turn switch retainers, 1 bolt, push in retainers and that's it. Couldn't be easier. Grill ights are next week and will drop right in.

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Sorry about the water spots, been raining most of the week!.

Below is a pic of the antennas before I decided on the current config.
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The placement of the antennas decided upon several factors.

1. The Headliner is HUGE and is made in 2 pieces

2. I have rear HVAC so there are ducts in the roof to work around

3. Asthetics

I choose to mount the antennas in the rear primarily beause of the size of the headliner itself and working around the ducts. headliner is split 60/40 with the rear 40 coming down easily. It was secured with 2 clothes hooks, and 8 push in style plastic clips (aka jesus clips) along with the rear pillar post trim.

Removing the entire headliner would have required taking down 2 overhead consoles, A and B and C pillar posts with the B and C having the seat belts in them to complicate matters along with working around the ducts.


Original plan was to place 6 NMO mounts along the center roof channel so they would be all lined up from over the front passenger area to the back cargo space.

The current pattern allowed for the removal of the rear portion of th headliner making a very simple and clean install.

holes were measured to avoid the roof bracing channels with string lines put up to insure proper allignment, The roof itself was tapped over with several layers of painters tape (low stickyness meant to be removed easily).

since the rear headliner was down a large sheet of black plastic was taped to the roof to catch all shavings and debris for easy cleanup.

As mentioned in other post the Titanium Nitride coated UNIBIT was used instead of the normal hole saw.

Testing proved the UNIBIT makes cleaner, bur free perfectly circular holes - something the Antennex X-act saw doesn't offeer.

NMO mounts are by MAXRAD - solid brass MMF style mounts which are fully shieded and modular in design using a MALE SMA connector on the base of the NMO.

Cable is LMR-195 factory terminated with female SMA connectors for the NMO side (soldered and heatshrunk) with the radios ends to be terminated with MINI UHF. I may use an antenna patch panel for maximum flexibility later on.

Cables were bundled and securely cable tied through the roof channels then down the driver side rear pillar through the trim and dropped under the driver's side passenger seat where the mounting tray for the radios will be.

Antennas have a minimum front to back spacing of 24 inches between the rows with 19inches between each antenna for.

Currently whips are mounted but I also have the can style Maxrad MLPV type antennas to use on everything except VHF.

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OK APCO - get your guy to start cranking them out for me! Id like to purcahse around 10, depending on price. Thanks!
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Matt, if you are SERIOUSLY interested then we'll talk. I have the pattern saved and can have it reproduced.

The shop that did this work for me produces other stuff out of stainless for a living so I'd have to discuss it with them and their rep who is my personal friend.
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Check your PM.
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We need to start an install house LOL
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It is difficult to see what is in those pictures since they are twice the size of the screen. However, Looks great!!
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I have to take the plate out and add the 150amp relay!

I knew I forgot something when I put this in!

DOH!
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Will this fit the last series of Suburbans? (92-99)???


I WANT ONE!


Also, are you going to throw a cover over that so some idiot adult/child doesn't spill his or her beer/water/soda/chocolate milk on this??? I can just picture water leaking into there...scary....
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No idea if it will fit the older body Suburban. It was custom measured.

Spilled drinks? Idiots? Children?

None of that is allowed in my truck!

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I politely explain when people ride in my vehicle any spilled liquids or solids results in immediate expulsion from the truck.
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From my chair here....

Almost looks like the same 2nd row setup as my 97. If not, I am sure that they would be pretty close
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i'll bet thh same plates would work in a Tahoe.
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Can't be positive since the Tahoe has a shorter wheel base than the suburban.

If you guys want to take detailed measurements I may be able to have it duplicated to match your specific Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban by model year.
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How much did you pay for that bad boy? How much was the powder coating alone?

I also drive a '97 burban freshly purchased and waiting for my X9000 VHF,GTX Mobile, and flashy lights. I just need to make decisions regarding installation. My cooler has spilled twice in the back so I am fearful of flooding.
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right on different wheelbase but i think it is the same back seat as the suburban. I have a 2002. the big differance is behind the 2nd seat, this is where the extra lenght is. space between back door and rear axel. If it is the same I too would be interested. I have a lot of stuff under that seat,
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Ok gang....

There seems to be quite a bit of interest for these. I have yet to get a final word from the shop if they would be interested in producing a small quantity of them. The owner has been out on vacation the last 2 months.
This one was done as a custom favor for me, but the pattern is saved and can be duplicated easily.


Most likely the seat bolt pattern and dimensions are the same for te new body style truck 2001-present. I'm betting the older body truck 2000 and earlier are not the same bolt pattern since the new trucks are a totally new design and not an update of the previous body.

EVERYONE that wants one for a Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban please PM and I'll put a list together. ONce I have an idea if they will produce more I can establish a cost for the finished tray.

THe design and production were free. All I paid for was powder coating $175 for the batch.

Its a satin finish powder coat, not textured.
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Tell that guy that it must be nice to take 8 week vacations...I'm off for a week b/c a tree fell on top of me Wednesday. That is my first vacation in a few years...

I'll definately be interested in taking one. Can you PM the plans? I'll see if I can have it done a little cheaper.
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CHECK IT OUT UPDATED!
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Looking Good. Keep the pictures coming.

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Yo,

I need some help with my '97 Suburban. I currently reside at an apartment complex with carports. My 'burb fits "perfectly" in a carport with very little (i think 1" from top of roof luggage rack) room to spare. Anyone have any antenna ideas for VHF, UHF, 800???

I'm definately going to get an 800 Antenex Phantom and possible a UHF as long as it fits...

What scares me is parking garages. Anyone drive a big truck and rip off antennas/tear the roof?
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L bracekts on the hood. Email me and I will send you some stuff.
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I avoid parking garages because of the antennas. Some people would say that's a pain but I don't care.

Double check your measurements - I have the maxrad MLPV antennas for the burb (I'll post a pic of htose mounted on the truck instead of the whips) and they are 1 - 3 inches high depending on the frequency band.
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Yeah, I've downloaded the latest Maxrad catalog and I am making a wish list. Can I get "dealer pricing" (50% off) if I just make up a dealer name?

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The Maxrad MLPV's are much better antenans than the antenex model.

No you can't just make up a dealer name - as that implies net 30 day accounts which will be verified by Maxrad. IF you aren't a registered DBA, licensed business, INC, CORP, or LLC with financial references it won't happen.

There are people on the board who can order for you - just ask around.
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I think a DBA out here costs like $50...
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Apco-man,


What is that "Phantom" like antenna on your roof?
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its active amplified GPS antenna and yes its an Antennex. It is an ebay find that was new in the box. I paid 20 bucks for it when they are over $100 new.

The design is completely different than that of the phantom VHF/UHF/800 Mhz antennas.

I have a complete set of MLPV antennas to swap out with the whips that are on their now.
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Is the GPS antenna a permanant mount? or NMO mount?
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All the mounts NMO using Maxrad MMF low loss mounts with LMR195 cable attached to the NMO's via the mounts SMA connector
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apco25,

Very nice job!!!...very professional....how are you going to mount the control heads???? Are you going to use a custom center console??? Please post pictures when you can......Thanks
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I have a custom Gamber-Johnson 26 inch console waiting to be installed in place of the factory console.
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What are you going to do about the Bose (R) audio driver/subwoofer and the rear seat radio controls?
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Couple questions...

Those MMF NMO mounts---do they impose any loss because of the SMA connectors? Why not get soldered cheaper versions?

Are you using a VHF "phantom" type antenna? I had one and sold it because it was the older version tuned by placing a foil sticker on the top of it. Plus it was for 2meter amateur only. The man I sold it to contacted Antenex and they sent him a brand new version that has a tuning screw. They told him that it really only has an effect bandwidth of 1Mhz. Hear the receive sucks compared to a 1/2 wave (duh!)...I guess you gotta give some to get some...
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CAPTLPOL wrote:What are you going to do about the Bose (R) audio driver/subwoofer and the rear seat radio controls?
That's been the setback in my sporttrac. I'm in the middle of building a console that houses the rear radio and ac/heat controls. Oh the the cup holders too. Gotta keep the wife happy. :)
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the mounts are designed to work for frequencies of 1GHZ or higher so they are low loss by their nature since the SMA is a constant impedance connector.

So using them at VHF, UHF and 800 Mhz provides for exceptional performance. I also choose the mount because the GPS downlink is in the 2.5 Ghz band along with 1.5Ghz 802.11B

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These mounts are also fully shielded like the special NMO made by Hirschman. The cable assemblies were made by Maxrad and were tested and warrantied to perform at microwave frequencies. These are extremely high quality mounts with excellent mechanical and electrical specs.



I am NOT using any can type antennas on VHF. It is generall accepted that whipless can type antennas on VHF completely and utterly suck. The antenex VHF can is known to burn up and has an almost useless tuning window of 1 Mhz. If you really need a low height profile get a railroad style antenna from sinclair. Its a foot long but works like a champ at only a couple inches high.

For VHF I use a normal black 1/4 wave. The low profile antennas I do have are MAXRAD MLPV series which are only available for UHF, 800/900 and 1.2 Ghz

I have developed a work around for the BOSE AMP. AFter careful investigation I have found the bose amp does not actually extend beyond the normal dash area. All I need to do is remove the stock console and bolt in the gamber stuff. I am working on a custom shroud to completely hide the subwoofer. All the junk in the console (that black plastic stuff) is actually rigid support for the console skin. I will need to remount the remote door box inside the Gamber Console. The rear stereo control had will be removed and placed in a custom powder coated stainless steel faceplate that will match the dimensions of the gamber console.

Essentially the 17inch console will hold all the radios while the 9inch extension will contain dual internal cupholders and the stereo head.

I will also being using a speaker combiner feeding 2 MCS2000 new style 10w speakers which will split the audio from 3 spectras and an Orion.
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any console or control head pics ?

thanks

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As soon as I get the console and PDRC mount installed I'll edit the post with those pics.

i don't have the stuff in yet!
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Apcoman,


How are you running cables (power and control) to the middle seat mount?

Are you running the control head cables just under the carpet with some sort of loom? Where did you cut the carpet at?
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The power tap will be running down the drivers side door sill channel and then over to the mounting tray from underneath.

I have not decided if I am running control cables under the carpet or not.

More parts arrived to do, so look for more pics shortly.
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hey very nice but if you diont mid can you tell me how u pasted pics right on the page bc i just fingished my install and need help thanks alot

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Looked at my '97 'burban today (finally) and it would take a totally differently mounting plate. After looking at the space with the seat folded down, I think I will just mount the X9000 to the floor...I have yet to look inside the jack storage areas (huge)....

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You can fit two x9000's with room to spare under the driver's side rear seat. I think I also had my ISP188 on top of that too..then it was really right
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If at all possible I'd try to avoid piercing the floor pan of the truck. You can do it but you'l need to take extra weather seal steps to do it right.

Why not check some local metal working shops and see what they can make you.

Regular steel instead of stainless would work just fine. We ended up using stainless since that's what the shop worked in.
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Apco -

Can you show me a recent picture of your radio mounting with everything on it?

I am just about ready to order the wiring supplies from Del City and Waytek and I need to know what else I might need.

Did you put on RFI filters for your radio power wires? (fiter per radio or from junction block/fuse distribution panel?)

Did you ground the radios directly to the battery or all to a junction block grounded to the nearest piece of metal?

Would be nice if someone had a website explaining the required & recommended "correct" installation for lights,siren, and radios.
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I will be posting more pics either tomorrow or Tuesday once additional custom parts come in. I'll add pics of the tray with all the wiring and cables added.

I think I'll make a website soon that covers the install....

No RFI filters. the truck is heavily grounded by GM and is extremely quiet from an RFI perspective.

the ground leads are all tied to a central ground stud which is run via 4ga lead to one of the seat mounting studs which threads into the frame. The connection is hidden inside the seat bracket trim you can see in the pics.

I'll be adding a dual battery shortly
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Yeah - the dual battery thing...

What exactly is required for a dual battery setup? I have the extra tray ('97 burban) in the engine compartment. Just a battery, cable, and a very high rated isolator?

Did you get a beefed up alternator for that beast?
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So far the stock 170amp unit is working out fine. it will eventually get replaced with a 300amp model.

You don't need the isolator if you run the battery in parallel with the original battery.
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Any particular reason one would want to install a battery isolator then?
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Post by SlimBob »

apco25 wrote:So using them at VHF, UHF and 800 Mhz provides for exceptional performance. I also choose the mount because the GPS downlink is in the 2.5 Ghz band along with 1.5Ghz 802.11B
You vice versa'd that one. The GPS downlink is at 1.5GHz and 802.11b is 2450MHz.

Why no, I don't have a 2.4GHz 5.5dB NMO omni on my car.... ;-)
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apco25
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What radios do you own?: APX / Astro 25 / Harris

Post by apco25 »

more new pics check it out!
"Some men just don't know their limitations"
shammond
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Post by shammond »

You should be a very proud papa!

But it sure is taking a long time. :lol:

You are giving all of us something to aspire to.

And just when I thought I was getting close on my truck you go and move the bar again. :evil:

All kidding aside it looks GREAT!

Steve
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